Isn't FEV a bit dumb?

Discussion in 'General Fallout Discussion' started by White Knight, Dec 7, 2010.

  1. The Dutch Ghost

    The Dutch Ghost Grouchy old man of NMA Moderator

    Jan 11, 2004
    It was already mentioned in Fallout 2 that Ghouls could join the NCR, the idea of them even joining the armed forces doesn't seem that bad.

    Like normal humans in the NCR they also probably feel inclined to defend the state from aggressors.
     
  2. Little Robot

    Little Robot sup Orderite

    Sep 29, 2010
    Not that ghouls are accepted into the NCR-- that makes sense. But have you encountered those ghouls? They are just feral ghouls in NCR uniforms, found in irradiated towns. Not "intelligent" ghouls, who I wouldn't mind. But they don't use rifles or anything, they do the dumb "hiss at you and then try to bite you" thing. I assume that they were "turned" that way from hanging out in irradiated towns because that's where they are found.
     
  3. Mr Krepe

    Mr Krepe Water Chip? Been There, Done That

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    Mar 28, 2010
    They are only in Camp Searchlight, and they were either ghouls or humans before the incident there and turned feral.
     
  4. Little Robot

    Little Robot sup Orderite

    Sep 29, 2010
    Yes, exactly. I don't like the whole "feral soldiers" thing. My problem is that the idea of "feral ghouls" as a concept seems fundamentally flawed, and to say that a group of well-trained (well, it's NCR but at least some training) killing machines would quickly become zombies who bite people to attack them is rather silly imo.
     
  5. Brother None

    Brother None This ghoul has seen it all
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    Apr 3, 2003
    Harold and Talius.

    There's no real consensus on what makes ghouls, not amongst developers or fans. I'm a fan of the radiation-only explanation because FEV is too much of an explain-all in the Fallout games (glad to see it wasn't present in New Vegas) and radiation causing ghouls and giant animals makes sense in the context of Science!

    Feral ghouls have always been underexplained. It's not inherent of ghoulification to lose one's mind, so what determines it. If you buy the FEV explanation it might be tied to radiation you got before getting in contact with FEV but that seems unlikely. Do some minds break while others don't? Does it take time?

    Ghouls are really underexplored as a feature of the wasteland. That doesn't seem too likely to change now that they're trash mobs.

    You're standing in my shadow, normie.
     
  6. Madbringer

    Madbringer What is it that crawls behind the glass? Orderite

    Apr 9, 2004
    I always forget about poor old Talius. :(

    Yeah, the "feral" bit is always what gets me. In Fallout 1 and 2, mindless ghouls are rather rare - apart from Necropolis - and it seems that they lost their sanity either due to long years spend pondering their horrific transformations and being cut off from humanity, or due to their brains deteriorating along with their bodies.

    Hell, in fact, it would seem more ghouls retained their sanity (at least partially), than not. Zombiefied ghouls were a very uncommon sight in either of the original games, so i'm hoping Beth would somehow explain the discrepancy between the rare west coast brain-eater and the undead plague on the east coast.
     
  7. KillerBee256

    KillerBee256 Still Mildly Glowing

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    Oct 31, 2008
    The ghouls at camp searchlight were created by some mysterous prewar nuclear device the legion salvaged and used. Or it could have been some thing nuclear related thing sthat the Legion jery rigged into a dirty bomb.
     
  8. The Dutch Ghost

    The Dutch Ghost Grouchy old man of NMA Moderator

    Jan 11, 2004
    I thought you meant the Ghoul Rangers monitoring Cottonwood Cove.
     
  9. Khan FurSainty

    Khan FurSainty Look, Ma! Two Heads!

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    Apr 23, 2009
    I say the Vault 12 inhabitants were given new medicaments to battle the dangers of high radiation or to create resistance against them. In the end, the experiment was a success, sort of.
     
  10. thegaresexperience

    thegaresexperience Water Chip? Been There, Done That

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    Sep 3, 2010
    Well DC was probably hit the hardest, so the feral ghouls could be a product of "over" radiating a normal ghoul to the point their minds begin to deteriorate. But thats just my theory.
     
  11. Bulero

    Bulero First time out of the vault

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    Dec 9, 2010
    The game is called Fallout, surely the universe should have a greater emphasis on the effects of its namesake...

    In my opinion, radiation should unbind them from physical laws, to a higher degree than we've seen, not "eat their brain," as seems to be the current trend.
     
  12. White Knight

    White Knight Water Chip? Been There, Done That

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    Aug 28, 2010
    Well radiation does kill cells, so the brain deterioting isn't as stupid as it sounds.
     
  13. thegaresexperience

    thegaresexperience Water Chip? Been There, Done That

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    Sep 3, 2010
    That and it's a game based on B movie physics, radiation created everything from giant animals to zombies in B movies
     
  14. Bulero

    Bulero First time out of the vault

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    Dec 9, 2010
    The effects in ghouls should be varied, is what I'm saying. The fate of a ghoul shouldn't be uniform. Make them anomalous, as if populations cope with radiation differently.
     
  15. White Knight

    White Knight Water Chip? Been There, Done That

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    Yeah it mutates scorpions and ants because they have high natural resistance to radiation.
     
  16. JohnnySpliff

    JohnnySpliff First time out of the vault

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    Dec 15, 2010
    Sorry to burst the bubble, I love the game but the whole idea is dumb in realistic terms. get exposed to radiation and all thats gonna happen is that you will start to break down on a cellular level and die a slow painful death. you may mutate in the process, but only to the extent of an extra deformed finger or something but not change your humanity however if your exposed to mild doses and have a child you may question that last statement after looking at them. such as the U.S. soldiers who unknowingly walk into radiation after a large assault. Those D.U. Rounds Fallouts been kicking around are actual rounds used for extra penetration by our military, primarily in tank sabots. but yeah I mean all that radiation will do is Kill off cells or at the very least they will get damaged and cause cancer. they only cause a mutation most of the time in individual cells only...and not the kind of mutations that aren't allowed here. Sorry Buddy
     
  17. Madbringer

    Madbringer What is it that crawls behind the glass? Orderite

    Apr 9, 2004
    Hold the fucking press, we have a winner.
     
  18. Faceless Stranger

    Faceless Stranger Board Drifter

    Aug 19, 2010
    What the hell kind of SCIENTIST! are you? :|
     
  19. Lynette

    Lynette It Wandered In From the Wastes

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    Jan 9, 2010
    No kidding Sherlock ?
     
  20. thegaresexperience

    thegaresexperience Water Chip? Been There, Done That

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    Sep 3, 2010