J.E. Sawyer on the Legion and post-endgame play

Izual said:
The Dutch Ghost said:
Sometimes its hard to accept that Fallout as I love it is dead.
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Yeah I thought exactly the same.

Back in 2000.
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Well I still liked Fallout New Vegas for its content, but it would have been nice if the saga had finished with Van Buren.
 
The Dutch Ghost said:
Izual said:
The Dutch Ghost said:
Sometimes its hard to accept that Fallout as I love it is dead.
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Yeah I thought exactly the same.

Back in 2000.
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Well I still liked Fallout New Vegas for its content, but it would have been nice if the sage had finished with Van Buren.
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You do know a Fallout 4 was planned that would expand upon the Legion, right?
 
Walpknut said:
Where was it even stated?
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I'm not sure it ever was. Fallout 4 details have been non-existent right? Nothing beyond rumors I believe.


Edit: Ahh. Now I remember after reading Dutch's comment..
 
The_Noob said:
You do know a Fallout 4 was planned that would expand upon the Legion, right?
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Oh I know about what Black Isle wanted to do with Fallout 4 and I would have enjoyed that as well, but that was still in the 'future possibilities' while Van Buren was already halfway in development.

For you who hear of this the first time, I think Avellone or Sawyer mentioned it in an interview.
It should be in the Vault wiki.

I would have loved to have seen lots of sequels in the style of Fallout 1/Fallout 2/Van Buren but I think sooner or later the series would have suffered from it content wise (storyline, factions etc), so having five or six good Fallout games would be acceptable.

Thing also is as many people have mentioned in other topics, how long can you keep the world a wasteland until new civilizations start to emerge.

I honestly think there needs to be a set date after which no more Fallout games take place as the world has rebuild to much and now enters the realm of the pure science fiction rather than PA and science fiction.
 
It is.

Also, the only upside to Van Buren never becoming Fallout 3 is that PoS2 would exist.

Just ponder that for a moment.
 
The_Noob said:
It is.

Also, the only upside to Van Buren never becoming Fallout 3 is that PoS2 would exist.

Just ponder that for a moment.
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I think the existence of that game would depend more on how well FOBOS1 sold rather than if Fallout 3/Van Buren was ever made.
 
If anything they would have used it as support for the then fledgling XBOX, if lurking the POS archives has taught me anything.
 
The_Noob said:
If anything they would have used it as support for the then fledgling XBOX, if lurking the POS archives has taught me anything.
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Don't lurk there. It can cause cancer.
 
The_Noob said:
If anything they would have used it as support for the then fledgling XBOX, if lurking the POS archives has taught me anything.
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Probably, but as I said before, it would have demanded some incredible sales on the part of FOBOS1 and Van Buren.

Cain wanted to turn Fallout into a big AAA thing I believe but from what others told me but he has never been good at running a game company so I am pretty sure that sooner or later Fallout would have bombed even if he had kept the rights of it.

Now instead it suffered a differing fate by being redesigned for the Oblivion crowd.
 
Yeah all I know is I'm tired of wandering the desert. yes I know "But then it won't be like mad max anymore!" Honestly I don't think much more can be done at this point. We've had nazi-style bad guys.. post-apoc Roman bad guys.. and we've seen them make fun of the red scare and americana many many times. The whole "vault culture" idea has been beaten to death as well.
 
The Dutch Ghost said:
Sometimes its hard to accept that Fallout as I love it is dead.
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Can't help but agree. I guess Wasteland 2 will do the job for a while. Obsidian needs to kickstart its own RPG too.
 
The Dutch Ghost said:
Well I still liked Fallout New Vegas for its content, but it would have been nice if the saga had finished with Van Buren.
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Every "Fallout" games after Fallout 2 were not Fallout games. They might be great, enjoyable, cool and stuff (e.g. I liked Fallout Tactics), but they have nothing in common with Fallout 1 & 2, except names in a story.
If you think Fallout Tactics/POS/3/NV are "Fallout", it's just that the marketing guys that did their job well enough.
 
Izual said:
The Dutch Ghost said:
Well I still liked Fallout New Vegas for its content, but it would have been nice if the saga had finished with Van Buren.
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Every "Fallout" games after Fallout 2 were not Fallout games. They might be great, enjoyable, cool and stuff (e.g. I liked Fallout Tactics), but they have nothing in common with Fallout 1 & 2, except names in a story.
If you think Fallout Tactics/POS/3/NV are "Fallout", it's just that the marketing guys that did their job well enough.
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Fallout: New Vegas feels like Fallout to me. It isn't due to clever marketing either. I almost find that insulting :). Fallout 3 was pretty bad , but Obsidian did a good job with New Vegas, especially considering what they had to work with. They have nothing in common with the originals? How do you figure that? I suppose you are talking about the departure from isometric primarily?
 
TorontRayne said:
They have nothing in common with the originals? How do you figure that? I suppose you are talking about the departure from isometric primarily?
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All the player-skilled combat? Boring mini-games? Less rich (sure, New Vegas did a pretty good job for a voice acted game) dialogue?

But for me personally, the DLCs. Annoying crap. I'd rather have them expand on the core game (i.e. make the Legion bigger) than add some remote places barely connected with New Vegas and Mojave.
 
Sub-Human said:
TorontRayne said:
They have nothing in common with the originals? How do you figure that? I suppose you are talking about the departure from isometric primarily?
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All the player-skilled combat? Boring mini-games? Less rich (sure, New Vegas did a pretty good job for a voice acted game) dialogue?

But for me personally, the DLCs. Annoying crap. I'd rather have them expand on the core game (i.e. make the Legion bigger) than add some remote places barely connected with New Vegas and Mojave.
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Notice, I am referring to New Vegas here.

I agree on the mini games, but disagree with the rest. The player-skilled combat is a non-issue for me although I understand why someone might not like it. The voice acting isn't bad enough for me to complain. I actually really enjoyed the New Vegas DLC. Honest Hearts was kinda half-assed, but I thought the rest were relevant enough to matter.

Even with those complaints though it doesn't make it any less Fallout. Certain things might be different, but it isn't a drastic departure canon wise (New Vegas anyway). Fallout 3 is pretty shitty overall, so I won't discuss it.
 
The Dutch Ghost said:
Thing also is as many people have mentioned in other topics, how long can you keep the world a wasteland until new civilizations start to emerge.
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Don't go always forward with the timeline and move to some other portion of the US or the world. Easy peasy.
 
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