First, you're taking one sentence of a speech given to NCR soldiers away from home by a known hawkish president as irrefutable evidence that NCR should always behave like that, towards everyone, all the time, else it's corrupt and wrong. I could very well do the same thing for House (sending us to other planets? his ''watch outside the window'' fallacy? House says a lot of loonish stuff, and taking him to the letter is also a bad idea).
Now, onto your argument. I understand the gist of it, but I think you havea huge tunnel vision. You seemto care about words. I care about actions, what we actually see in-game.
What did House do for New Vegas, for the people of the Mojave? First, anyone outside New Vegas he obviously doesn't care about, beyond having Victor spy on Goodsprings, and presumably a fewother such Securitron to keep watch on key areas. In New Vegas proper, what did he do? He uplifted a few tribals into loonish bunches and made them build casinos. Woopie fucking doo. As far we know, as far as we see, that's literally the only thing he did. He did nothing for Freeside, nothing for North Vegas, nothing for Westside, didn't touch the Dam, didn't supply water via Lake Mead, didn't grow farms, nothing. In 10 years. Or so little it's barely noticeable.
You say NCR doesn't do anything for New Vegas? Well, apart from keeping the Strip alive with their money, they also
1) built the sharecropper farms which supply the region
2) built, maintain and defend the Lake Mead pipe, as well as say nothing when locals use their water to establish their own pipes
3) Defend the locals from the Legion and the Fiends. With uncertain effeciveness, of course, but they still do. Without them, the Legion quickly overwhelms New Vegas and enslaves ''much'' off its population (epilogue's words, not mine). I'd say that for them it's a wee bit worse being enslaved than paying taxes.
4) brought along the Followers. Yes, relations are tenuous because they don't want a neutral party bandaging everybody on the battlefield including their enemies, but no NCR presence = no Followers, theycome from there.
5) Established a trade route between New Vegas and the core NCR regions. Yes, it benefits them too of course, because that's how trade works, it's not a selfless act
6) Actually wanted to hand out food to the people of Freeside, but again Pacer made sure it didn't happen
In the face of these in-game facts, can you really, truly say that NCR brought nothing to New Vegas? Not even token aid? Come on, they brought food, water, protection, medication, trade, everything a settlement needs, hell they even wanted to give away their own food. That's way, way more than House ever did for anyone outside of the Strip.
Is there an interest behind it all, of course there is, they are a Republic, not selfless angels descending from the heavens to offer free food and health care. One line from a political speech geared towards an already conquered audience proves nothing and certainly doesn't tie up the NCR to do things way outside their interests.
You think House has no interests behind what he does? He wants to rule, everything he does and did has this goal in mind. You paint him as some sort of messiah, but there's a good reason he protected the Mojave; he was in it! He would have died if not for his laser defenses! It's not like the people who live now, 200years later, should just bow down to him because of that.
As for Moore, jesus you really hate her. Of course she removes obstacles to NCR interests, it's her goddamn job. You don't even have to listen to her, even. Hell, House does it too; he demands you murder the Brotherhood, even if they aren't even aware of his existence. He demands you dispose of Benny. The Legionis even more violent that NCR in this regard, but they apparently get a free morality pass because ''it's necessary'' or something.
What's the fixation with NCRCF? It's a prisoner camp. The people in there are
convicted criminals, and nothing indicates they are political ones either. Once free, their leader immediately goes to Vault 19 in order to find explosives, hardly the reaction of an ordinary prisoner. They put them to use because someone figures they're better off building a railway than rotting away in prison. How you equate that to institutionalized slavery is simply beyond me.
The Legion is an interesting subject, as it is confused with the society that it protects. The army is composed of reconditioned tribals and slaves supporting legionaries in combat, but behind them is a vast number of people living under their protection in lands east of the Colorado. People who have ready access to food, water, electricity and shelter. They may be subjects, rather than citizens, but their land is safe and rich. There'd be no problem with Fiends, Powder Gangers or remnants of tribes brutalized by the NCR, as they'd have been wiped out by the Legion before they'd become a nuisance.
And where is that shown in-game?
Nowhere. I strongly doubt they even have access to electricity, given that Ceasar is terrified of his men simply seeing the interior of House's bunker.
This description is completely at odds with everything we see of the Legion in-game. Even Sawyer seems to be ccontradicting himself, as he once described the Legion as ''basically a roving army''. Yeah, a ''roving army'' cannot be expected to keep the peace in 3-4 States and provide such an idyllic lifeffor all it's citizens. It's utterly illogical.
And again, nothing of the sort is ever hinted in-game. There's not even one line describing civilian life in the Legion, simply some throwaway lines that caravans are safe. Then we are supposed to believe all is sunshine and rainbows in LegionLand while everything we see in-game is murderous slavers and rapists. It's utterly piss-poor storytelling, that's what it is, and that's what the disccussion is all about.
On gender segregation in the Legion: Caesar maximizes effectiveness of his army, using both genders as parts of a machine. Saying that women have a poor life because they have to bear children, cook food and do typical support stuff, while ignoring the fact that men are no better off because they look forward to a life of combat with the inevitable brutal death at the end is manipulation.
And you're accusing me and BN of twisting words? ''gender segregation'' is another word for sexism. When you're in a warrior-led society and only the men are allowed to be warriors, the women are considered inferiors. Sorry, there's simply no way around it. The females take care of mundane tasks and labour, while men leadthe society and seek glory on the battlefields. Like in ancient Sparta. It might have been good for its era, but when the opposite is for all intents and purposes an egalitarian society, it's simply completely unneccesary.
(Also, I showed that text to a kinda feminist friend of mine and she wants to kill you right now)
The Legion isn't much worse than the NCR. It is unforgiving and demanding, true, but it offers peace and stability. Something the Republic is having trouble with, particularly with its leadership being what it is.
They're waging a war against the Brotherhood, the Khans, the Powder Gangers, the Fiends and the Legion all at the same time, they have House and his cronies breathing down their neck, they have tenuous supply lines in a desert faraway from home, and you're somehow surprised the NCR can't possibly offer the Mojave perfect peace and stability?
Methinks you ask way too much out of them becauseof a single sentence of a stupid speech.