Joke on Turkey in the EU

[Brother None]

So I might reply, but don't really have the time for it as long as my exams last.. But I'm going to give you a prelude: teh Mongolians did install a half-decent from of government (actually, they were culturally conquered by the areas they military conquered, especially China). I'd be damnded if I remember the dude's name, but one of the Khan's leading advisors said: "you can conquer a land on the back of a horse, but you can't govern it that way." Or somethin'.
So while the Mongolian empire wasn't as 'deeply' organised as the Roman was; the people in China -for example- weren't governed worse (in terms or organisation) than they were (or would be) under the Mandarins. Heck, maybe even better. And while their most Western conquests indeed quickly gained independance, they DID keep most of Asia... And controlled an empire that was still way larger and more populated than the Roman ever was.

That's again sort of irrelevant to the point. The Mongol lack of political organisation to the level of the Romans, and the speed at which they expanded, was what made their empire fall apart. This'll happen to any disorganised empire that expands too swift.

And as I was trying to point out "too swift" depends on how organised you are. If the mongols had a higher level of organisation, sume kind super-kamehameha-politics, they might've expanded at that rate and not collapsed so fast.

That was my whole point, I wasn't saying the mongols were completely disorganised, I was saying they were too disorganised to expand at that rate, which history proved.

I feel you somehow overshot the entire point and are historically nitpicking on things that're totally irrelevant to the point. Kind of, well, pointless, n'est-ce pas?

'cause you ain't tellin' me nothin' I didn't know yet. Biatch.

 

[Jebus]

I'm going to let that remark about the Mongols slide, though. I wouldn't want to seem like a nitpicker around here...

I feel you somehow overshot the entire point and are historically nitpicking on things that're totally irrelevant to the point. Kind of, well, pointless, n'est-ce pas?

Adds up to:

'cause you ain't tellin' me nothin' I didn't know yet. Biatch.

Ehehehehehe

 

[Brother None]

*tilts head*

Ok.

So...?

 

[welsh]

Turkey in the EU? WHen it happens one can expect France to try to bring in it's African buddies too.

I honestly think the Turks should be in. Most European of middle east states.

But I doubt it. The whole Muslim thing plus the Kurds.

 

[John Uskglass]

I honestly think the Turks should be in. Most European of middle east states.

But I doubt it. The whole Muslim thing plus the Kurds.

Turkey is'nt a part of the middle east. And the Kurds are'nt as troublesome as they used to, thanks to the increasingly enigmatic Erdorgan.

It won't get in though. Too poor, and Europeans-particularly Hungarians, Austrians and Greeks-have unnaturally long memeories.

 

[Sander]

Turkey in the EU? WHen it happens one can expect France to try to bring in it's African buddies too.

I most definitely disagree. One can argue that Turkey is part of Europe, mainly because it's biggest city is on the European continent, but to allow African nations in would be a rape of the definition of Europe. If that were to happen, the EU will stop being called the EU, and would probably move to just U.

I honestly think the Turks should be in. Most European of middle east states.

Yes, the Turks should be in, but not in the current situation. They are still having problems with human rights and democracy, and they simply haven't fulfilled the requirements posed for any new member of the EU. Therefore they cannot be allowed to join, not just yet.
Also, one thing you may be forgetting, is that Turkey can be seen as somewhat of a traitor by other Middle-Eastern countries.

But I doubt it. The whole Muslim thing plus the Kurds.

That's hardly a problem. There are other muslim countries (some of the former Yugoslavian countries), and the Kurds are not that much of a problem. Currently the biggest problem for them are those requirements. They simply haven't met them.

 

[Fas Ist]

Well,well,well.
First Turkey mustn't be accepted in the EU.Can you imagine what will happen if this country was welcomed to it?!Have you ever been to Turkey.You have the feeling that you are in the hell.There are thousands of people(or more) lying on the ground and begging.Many of them will escape from their country and come into Europe.They will spread over it!Our beautiful continent will be called ''Europe-the messy continent''.Can you imagine what will have they done(read some Bulgarian novels and you'll understand).These Aborigines will ''conquer'' many countries.They will rape women!!They will build mosques everiwhere.They will destroy everithing which is beautiful.You can say that this is impossible and there isn't so much space and food for all these people and they will be back,but you will be wrong-there are some(fortunately not many) Turks and gipsies in Bulgaria who ''haven't anything to eat'',but they find a way to survive and reproduce very fast.And even if the European community banish them,years will be necessary to repair Turkish damage(for example the countries in the Balkan penincula still can't delete nasty Turkish records). The world knows Turkey very well and I am sure that its access will be denied.This country can't give us anything good.


2.You may say that there isn't any difference between Bulgaria and Romania,and Turkey.But you will be wrong.The EU will even make some damage to Bulgarian(and Romanian) nature.Bulgaria has great history,traditions,customs and perfect products which are very useful.Our people are inteligent and well-read and it was prooved many times.And this country works against terrorism,corruption and criminality(many,many tons of drugs are captured by our police every year).So there is no doubt that Bulgaria must be into the European Union.

 

[Wooz]

AAARGH!

 

[Jebus]

You know Was Ist ???, if I were someone who labeled people, I might call you Xenofobic.


PS

Our people are inteligent and well-read and it was prooved many times

Ehehehe


And don't make yourself any illusions, Was: even though being accepted to the EU will indeed have some benefits for Bulgaria, almost all of them will be on the long run. It will take about fifty years before the standard of living in Bulgaria or Romania even comes close to the Western European nations...



Anyway, more reply to come later. I can't let you get away with statements like that...

 

[John Uskglass]

Was Ist, you're a total, flat out fucking idiot.

There are thousands of people(or more) lying on the ground and begging.Many of them will escape from their country and come into Europe.They will spread over it!

Turkey
GDP:
purchasing power parity - $489.7 billion (2002 est.)
GDP - real growth rate:
7.8% (2002 est.)
Bulgaria
GDP:
purchasing power parity - $49.23 billion (2002 est.)
GDP - real growth rate:
4.8% (2002 est.)

Can you imagine what will have they done(read some Bulgarian novels and you'll understand).

I'm not going to deny this completely, because there's some truth to it; from an ethnographical perspective Turkey has done irreperable harm.

Aborigines will ''conquer'' many countries.They will rape women!!

While Krum was a glorious liberator! You do realize that you are as Altaic as the Turks, don't you? Just so happens the Turks managed to change the language of the conquered.

They will destroy everithing which is beautiful

I just find this offensive. Haghia Sophia still stands, yes? What of Christ Pantokrator? What of the Suleymania Mosque?

Actually, a Turkish friend of mine is 1/4 Bulgarian, is fluent in it, and loves the country. His name is even Donau in Turkish.

Turks and gipsies in Bulgaria who ''haven't anything to eat'',but they find a way to survive and reproduce very fast.

Tukrey
Population growth rate:
1.16% (2003 est.)

The world knows Turkey very well and I am sure that its access will be denied.This country can't give us anything good.

The world knows the Ottomans very well. They're diffirent people now.

Bulgaria has great history,traditions,customs and perfect products which are very useful.

I like Bulgaria, so I'm not going to argue here.

But I find it absurd that you think you're so diffirent from the Turks. Racially you're AS ALTAIC AS THE TURKS. Jesus leaping Christ, Bulgar is a Turkish Word!

Our people are inteligent and well-read and it was prooved many times.

Turkish Literacy:
definition: age 15 and over can read and write
total population: 86.5%
And that number is growing daily with the booming economy

And this country works against terrorism,corruption and criminality(many,many tons of drugs are captured by our police every year).

Puh-lease. Turkey is, ifanything, with the AKP LESS corrupt then Bulgaria.

 

[Fas Ist]

You know Was Ist ???, if I were someone who labeled people, I might call you Xenofobic.


PS

Our people are inteligent and well-read and it was prooved many times

Ehehehe


And don't make yourself any illusions, Was: even though being accepted to the EU will indeed have some benefits for Bulgaria, almost all of them will be on the long run. It will take about fifty years before the standard of living in Bulgaria or Romania even comes close to the Western European nations...



Anyway, more reply to come later. I can't let you get away with statements like that...

Well,the living standard(and everything you wrote) doesn't depend on our people who are inteligent and so on.It depends on the politicians.And you may write that we choose our politicians,we can go on strike if we don't like something,but the problem is that there are so many pensioneers who are ill-breed by the soviet government many years ago that they choose almost everything,so we haven't much choise.But Bulgaria will be developed very much by the time the people born before 1980 have died.And you live in Belgium.It is very developed country.But do you know that if the Turks hadn't conquered Byzantie,the Renaissance would have started from it and Bulgaria was next to it,so it would have been much developed than your country.The Turks are(were)guilty.
And please tell me 2 facts
1.How many books of Russian writers have you read??
2.You prefer Turkey in the EU to a Slavonic country,aren't you.

 

[John Uskglass]

Well,the living standard(and everything you wrote) doesn't depend on our people who are inteligent and so on.It depends on the politicians.And you may write that we choose our politicians,we can go on strike if we don't like something,but the problem is that there are so many pensioneers who are ill-breed by the soviet government many years ago that they choose almost everything,so we haven't much choise.But Bulgaria will be developed very much by the time the people born before 1980 have died.And you live in Belgium.It is very developed country.But do you know that if the Turks hadn't conquered Byzantie,the Renaissance would have started from it and Bulgaria was next to it,so it would have been much developed than your country.The Turks are(were)guilty.

BULLSHIT.

The Belgians have ALOT more to do with that, as Knights from Flanders where at the front of the Latin lines during the Fifth Crusade.

1.How many books of Russian writers have you read??

More then a dozen. I'm a mixed-Byzantophile/Hellophile/Turkophile/Slavophile/Caucasophile (as in the mountains, not the bogus ethnicity)

2.You prefer Turkey in the EU to a Slavonic country,aren't you.

It has just as good a claim as the Slavonic countries. It's been democratic alot longer, larger economy, and it would help Turkey alot.

 

[Fas Ist]

Actually, a Turkish friend of mine is 1/4 Bulgarian, is fluent in it, and loves the country. His name is even Donau in Turkish

Yes.I won't argue about it-Turkish love our country(they call it ''The green garden''),but when they came here,they just did much damage and killed many people.

Population growth rate:
1.16% (2003 est.)

It is a joke,isn't it.I wrote about Turks and Gypsies in Bulgaria.It isn't a rarely to see a Gypsi woman and 5 or 6 Gipsi kids arround her.

 

[John Uskglass]

It is a joke,isn't it.I wrote about Turks and Gypsies in Bulgaria.It isn't a rarely to see a Gypsi woman and 5 or 6 Gipsi kids arround her.

This is not because of culture, however, this is because of negative racial stereyotypes that they breed alot and are poor and useless......etc. They're as much the victums of the ages as the Armenians or the Jews.

Bulgarian Turks do, from what I understand, have a definet tendancy to head towards the far right (the guy who tried to kill the Pope was a Bulgarian-Turk). This could be cultural, as Turkey is right next door and Bulgaria represses them quite a bit (similar to the way the Turks treat the Kurds and Laz, though).

And the Turks in Bulgaria are Bulgaria's problem. How it pertains to the EU for Turkey and not Bulgaria is beyond me.

Yes.I won't argue about it-Turkish love our country(they call it ''The green garden''),but when they came here,they just did much damage and killed many people.

Yeah. They did. That is'nt a totally accurate description of the situation, however, as during the Balkan wars Bulgaria had it's eyes on the Marmara as much as anybody, and that was 200 years or so ago.

 

[Fas Ist]

1.

Bulgarian Turks do, from what I understand, have a definet tendancy to head towards the far right (the guy who tried to kill the Pope was a Bulgarian-Turk)

Yes,but he WAS a Bulgarian-TURK.Turks here are much different than Bulgarians.
2.Watch the show of Nick Stein somehow - he is a German,who lives in Bulgaria and he says the truth about Turks.
3.

More then a dozen. I'm a mixed-Byzantophile/Hellophile/Turkophile/Slavophile/Caucasophile (as in the mountains, not the bogus ethnicity)

I wrote Russian,because it is the greatest literature in the world.But you are American and you don't want to understand it,so you wrote SLAVORHILE.
4.Russia is a Slavonic country too.

It has just as good a claim as the Slavonic countries. It's been democratic alot longer, larger economy, and it would help Turkey alot.

So you didn't want to understand that Russia is the greatest competition of America-so you wrote that Turkey is a better country than Russia-our brothers.
5.

The Belgians have ALOT more to do with that, as Knights from Flanders where at the front of the Latin lines during the Fifth Crusade.

And do you know that Balduin was captured and put into a prison by a bulgarian TSAR.(he isn't from the 5-th crusade,but...many people don't know this).

 

[Wooz]

It's "Slavic", not "Slavonic", both of you.

Other than that, the latest addition to this thread rocks. Really.

 

[John Uskglass]

Yes,but he WAS a Bulgarian-TURK.Turks here are much different than Bulgarians.
2.Watch the show fo Nick Stein somehow - he is a German,who lives in Bulgaria and he says the truth about Turks.

My point. He was a BULGARIAN-Turk. He does not reflect upon the majority of the Turkish people. That's like saying that Brother Minister Farrakan is what all African-Muslims are like.

I wrote Russian,because it is the greatest literature in the world.But you are American and you don't want to understand it,so you wrote SLAVORHILE.
4.Russia is a Slavonic country too.

That was a typo, I meant Slavophile.

I love Russian literature. I don't know what you are talking about, as I am almost as devouted to Russian history and culture as Byzantine or Armenian. I do think it's the best in the history of literature, save maybe some of the Greek playwrites.

So you didn't want to understand that Russia is the greatest competition of America-so you wrote that Turkey is a better country than Russia-our brothers.

No, I actually like Russia more, as it's the inheritor of the Byzantine legacy, but I enjoy Turkish studies as they are the racial and in many ways cultural inheritors of the Byzantine legacy.

I like Russia. I like Russia alot. And while I'm not sure it's the greatest competetor of the US right now (China, EU), I still respect immensly.

And do you know that Balduin was captured and put into a prison by a bulgarian TSAR.(he isn't from the 5-th crusade,but...many people don't know this).

Yeah, I know that.

Still, Walloon/French knights where as responsible (IMHO more) for the decline of Byzantium as the Turks, as if it where not for the mongol ivasion of Turkestan and subsequent Turkification of Anatolia, it's entirely possible that Anatolia would be something like a Greek-Armenian speaking Lebanon (without the nasty Palestinians).

 

[John Uskglass]

It's "Slavic", not "Slavonic", both of you.

He might be using "Slavonic" as in early Cyrilic, or perhaps southern Slavic culture or the early aphabet as something to describe the Big cousin-little cousin group (that's something of a myth from the old Pan-Slavic days).

 

[alec]

Was ist? ? ? does have one good point, people: the Turks I know and live with (and that's a lot of Turks, trust me) do act like fucking wabbits. It's true. There's no need denying it. They just love doing the hootchy-cootchy without contraception. You know, the wabbit-dance. The cavity-control-routine. The touching-me-touching-you-AHA!-thing.

But so do I... And so do most people I know...

 

[John Uskglass]

Was ist? ? ? does have one good point, people: the Turks I know and live with (and that's a lot of Turks, trust me) do act like fucking wabbits. It's true. There's no need denying it. They just love doing the hootchy-cootchy without contraception. You know, the wabbit-dance. The cavity-control-routine. The touching-me-touching-you-AHA!-thing.

But so do I... And so do most people I know...

By Wabbit do you mean Rabbit or Wahhabi?

Alec you're real name Runner?

EDIT: Runner you're real name Alec?