most overrated movies?

MPPlantOfficial said:
Aliens - It's an action movie. All characters are competent marine archetypes. You never feel the suspense that the first movie had.
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Well that's just not true. Tension is its own form of suspense. It further develops Ripley. You call it an action movie as though that makes it bad.
 
MPPlantOfficial said:
Aliens - It's an action movie. All characters are competent marine archetypes. You never feel the suspense that the first movie had.
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Yes, it's an action movie, and certainly one of the best action movies out there. It works entirely differently than Alien. They're supposed to be the competent marine archetypes (ultimate badasses with independent targeting particle beam phalanxes and stuff) that are fully confident that they can easily do this "bug hunt" and protect Ripley until they're getting bumfucked and it's actually Ripley who saves them. It's not a horror movie and it doesn't try to be. It's both one of the greatest action movies of the 80's and simultaneously a massive deconstruction of the action movie tropes back then.
You may not like that it is an action movie, but Aliens is not in any way, shape, or form overrated.
 
Hassknecht said:
So it's actually good and severely not overrated?
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Depends on if one has already seen Aliens then one is bound to dislike Troopers.

Take the movies Sixth Sense (1999) and Unbreakable (2000) for example. Both are really, really good movies but are getting flack because Shyamalan likes to use similar twists in all his films.
 
MPPlantOfficial said:
Depends on if one has already seen Aliens then one is bound to dislike Troopers.

Take the movies Sixth Sense (1999) and Unbreakable (2000) for example. Both are really, really good movies but are getting flack because Shyamalan likes to use similar twists in all his films.
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Starship Troopers is a very different film than Aliens, though. Superficially they look similar (ill-equipped gung ho marines take on myriads of utterly inhuman enemies), but that's about it. Aliens is about caring more about corporate interests than about human lifes which ultimately backfires. Starship Troopers is a satirical commentary on militarism and propaganda. Aliens does that, too, but it's only in the beginning, and it's not the main focus. The marines, after their initial loss, overcome their machismo and adapt to the situation. It's about humans adapting to fight against inhuman enemies (the aliens and the corporate interests). In Starship Troopers they never learn. There the Mobile Infantry is static and doesn't really learn shit, they just throw more soldiers to die at the front and win only by sheer luck. Where Aliens is about the power of human compassion, Starship Troopers is about the lack of it.
I like Aliens and Starship Troopers for very different reasons.
 
Hassknecht said:
Starship Troopers is a very different film than Aliens, though. Superficially they look similar (ill-equipped gung ho marines take on myriads of utterly inhuman enemies), but that's about it. Aliens is about caring more about corporate interests than about human lifes which ultimately backfires. Starship Troopers is a satirical commentary on militarism and propaganda. Aliens does that, too, but it's only in the beginning, and it's not the main focus. The marines, after their initial loss, overcome their machismo and adapt to the situation. It's about humans adapting to fight against inhuman enemies (the aliens and the corporate interests). In Starship Troopers they never learn. There the Mobile Infantry is static and doesn't really learn shit, they just throw more soldiers to die at the front and win only by sheer luck. Where Aliens is about the power of human compassion, Starship Troopers is about the lack of it.
I like Aliens and Starship Troopers for very different reasons.
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I came by to post something, but it would be pretty much saying the things you said, but in worst grammar.

So I say, I am of the same opinion as Hassknecht.
 
Starship Troppers is not overrated, it's just bad. Does Hollywood have some troubles with adapting books even when there's material screaming at scriptwriter: "DUDE HERE'S POWER ARMOR LOOK AT THE POSSIBILITES". You know you're hitting the new low when Starcraft (a computer game made by some nerds versus the whole hollywood) becomes a better adaptation next year.
 
0wing said:
Starship Troppers is not overrated, it's just bad. Does Hollywood have some troubles with adapting books even when there's material screaming at scriptwriter: "DUDE HERE'S POWER ARMOR LOOK AT THE POSSIBILITES".
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You forgot slo mo. Imagine if Patty Jenkins directed Starship Troopers.
That's a whole franchise right there!!!
 
0wing said:
Starship Troppers is not overrated, it's just bad. Does Hollywood have some troubles with adapting books even when there's material screaming at scriptwriter: "DUDE HERE'S POWER ARMOR LOOK AT THE POSSIBILITES". You know you're hitting the new low when Starcraft (a computer game made by some nerds versus the whole hollywood) becomes a better adaptation next year.
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Because Verhoeven didn't want to do a direct adaption and instead wanted to make a satirical anti-war movie?
Why do so many people misinterprete Starship Troopers, anyway? Half the critics say that the movie is all pro-fascist and whatnot.
This isn't supposed to be hard.

If you want a more proper adaption, watch the OVA.
 
Hassknecht said:
Because Verhoeven didn't want to do a direct adaption and instead wanted to make a satirical anti-war movie?
Why do so many people misinterprete Starship Troopers, anyway? Half the critics say that the movie is all pro-fascist and whatnot.
This isn't supposed to be hard.
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Verhoeven could always name his move somehow different, "Fascist in Space" for example, place somewhere a text "loosely based on an Heinlein's Starship Troopers" and go for it, no criticism, do what you want.
Hassknecht said:
Half the critics say that the movie is all pro-fascist and whatnot.
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And why should you say this while quoting me?
Hassknecht said:
This isn't supposed to be hard.
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Well, it's supposed to be a sci-fi movie also. With all the prophetic futuristic gizmos described in the book to make it even better and flashy movie. Where did all the budget go?
 
0wing said:
Verhoeven could always name his move somehow different, "Fascist in Space" for example, place somewhere a text "loosely based on an Heinlein's Starship Troopers" and go for it, no criticism, do what you want.
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Adaptions don't always have to be all accurate. Sometimes the director wants to focus on a particular thing and changes the material to fit that. What matters in the end is how well the movie turns out. Blade Runner for example changed a lot about the book, and it's a phantastic movie. The original Total Recall did it well, too (also by Verhoeven). The new Total Recall strayed even further from the source, and it didn't work out, despite being a lot flashier. It all depends on the movie.
0wing said:
And why should you say this while quoting me?
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Because they also appear to misunderstand the movie and want it to be something different for no real reason. If the Mobile Infantry had all the fancy power armor they wouldn't die like flies on their first touchdown on Klendathu, which is kind of the point (along with them not really learning from it).
0wing said:
Well, it's supposed to be a sci-fi movie also. With all the prophetic futuristic gizmos described in the book to make it even better and flashy movie. Where did all the budget go?
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See above. The movie is about a militaristic society sending waves upon waves of excited young people to die a stupid death, not a bunch of badass soldiers mopping up bugs in power armor with a little bit of political satire in the background.

It's cool to not like the movie, but that doesn't make it overrated. Especially not when you don't like the movie for not being what you want it to be.
 
Hassknecht said:
See above. The movie is about a militaristic society sending waves upon waves of excited young people to die a stupid death, not a bunch of badass soldiers mopping up bugs in power armor with a little bit of political satire in the background.
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Weak. Idiots would still be and still can be portrayed as idiots even armed with best of military equipment, just like real nazis were (well equipped I mean). I see no justification in this other than budget cuts or scriptwriter's lack of imagination.
Hassknecht said:
Adaptions don't always have to be all accurate. Sometimes the director wants to focus on a particular thing and changes the material to fit that. What matters in the end is how well the movie turns out. Blade Runner for example changed a lot about the book, and it's a phantastic movie. The original Total Recall did it well, too (also by Verhoeven). The new Total Recall strayed even further from the source, and it didn't work out, despite being a lot flashier. It all depends on the movie.
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The reason is, Starship Troopers is not a fantastic movie and it's satirical message is too in your face and caricature like in modern parodic comedy movies to be believable. And Blade Runner with Total Recall are, you guessed it, are movie titles, books (or short story in case of TR) have different one for the reason I stated before while Starship Troopers bears book's name with pride worthy of the most onboxious LGBT member. And if director chooses ST to portray goofy nazis then he's no better than these critics who accused Heinlein and later Verhoeven himself in being nazi appreciators because the book tells completely different story.
 
Get out won best adapted screenplay. Are you fucking joking me? The villains only had like 3/5 of a motivation. The main character asks the villain "hey why black people?" And he literally says "lol idk"
 
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