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[Serbaside]

Then trek across former USA, without roads would take.... what .... 12-15 months, so it's not like they were teleported to DC.

It is only 2,675 miles from LA to Washington DC.

Put in historical perspective:

During the gold rush pioneers traveled (wagon) the Oregon Trail (2000 miles) in six months. It runs from Missouri to Oregon.

In another case the Mormons took 23 years to go from Illinois to Utah, 70,000 walked the whole way.

Lewis and Clark covered 8000 miles in 28 months.

 

[whirlingdervish]

don't forget how it took the hebrews 40 years to get all of about a couple hundred miles from egypt to what is now israel over the sinai peninsula.

 

[Per]

Cut out the implicit warez talk. Even if you're only talking about what you think your neighbour's cousin will be up to.

 

[Serbaside]

don't forget how it took the hebrews 40 years to get all of about a couple hundred miles from egypt to what is now israel over the sinai peninsula.

Opps sorry, I also forgot to mention how long it took Xenu to travel to earth with billions of our ancestors.

 

[GandalfRed]

Yeah, but factor in food and ammo scavenging, bramin wagons breaking down, couple of dozen skirmishes, carrying sick, wounded..., detours due to all major cities glowing faintly green in the dark , craters, saving tribes of children, driving last V8(ok, joke last two)... and Maps? nobody will have maps.
And if they hit Nevada Groom Lake base - (Area 51), there are the aliens nobody wants in FO

 

[SuAside]

side note:

The story also, in hindsight, sounds like the backstory to the creation of the BOS, with the Migration from the SAD to the compound.

Mariposa, not Sierra Army Depot.

and 'the compound' is the Lost Hills bunker.

PS: the BoS didn't exist before the 'original' Maxson sent his wife & child into the wastes while staying behind himself. it's the son that founded the BoS after those events.

 

[Mord_Sith]

Might as well have called it Lemmings: BoS

Last I checked, it was only initates that cared about the outside because they were just recently one of them, (the door guard is one of those for example.)

However, if they do this miraculous cross country trek on foot, they'd never make it past the glow for two reasons, do you know of ANY BoS that would willingly trade anything on their person to an outsider, aside from perhaps some low grade ammo or common meds that they don't normally need? Secondly although the power packs on the armor would last a century, I doubt without proper maintenance on a daily schedule, the armor would last to cross the country, not even counting the damage done to the armor from assailants.

The DC BoS would be better served as a fragment of the former US military, wait that's the enclave, shucks then who's the sucker that's left? OH I know, a citizen's militia, wait, power armor on militia... *sigh* well I guess all that's left is the wasteland rangers.

That would fit the bill perfectly, however it -HAS- to be BoS, as for the orcs, why didn't they go with mad genetic experiments from the enclave, or one of the few surviving FEV scientists (you know how they all went squirrly in their research labs...)

I better stop before I find them rewriting the whole plothole that is Fallout 3...

 

[ArmorB]

I'm by no means educated in FO lore but what happend to the vertibird plans 'we' stole and gave to the BoS? Couldn't they have built those and flew across the US?


And on a personal note, I'm looking forward to a new post apocholyptic and/or steampunk game regardless of the title they smack on it.

Title doesn't mean everything. Look at what happened to F.E.A.R. The title went in one direction and the true sequel went in another, but under a completely different name. Sure it might be a kick in the nutsif you look at it as FALLOUT 3, but if you look at as a post apocholyptic and/or steampunk game with a really wrong and stupid title then it might not be a bad game....

 

[GandalfRed]

But wait, try this:
US army in Canada (North Montana for Robinsons lovers) had power armor. DC BOS has different PA than the West Coast BOS - so yes they could be EC military remnants, with techs modifying the armor during time. But wait! I just spent more braincells on this then the whole Beth development team which costs couple 100.000$.
On the other side if they introduced EC "Army of the Potomac" putists would scream bloody murder, as such units are never mentioned in canon. Then they would scream that FO is WC brand only. Well I have a message for you - WC sucks even in NFL
Fact is they took established franchise, spent 0.25$ on researching the canon, then spat on what they found out, and hired ADD sufferers to write the story, and console kiddies as art(BLOOM, HDR!!!1!1!!one) consultants.
Only good thing can be if the game doesn't bomb, the franchise will survive to fight some future day

 

[Per]

Last I checked, it was only initates that cared about the outside because they were just recently one of them, (the door guard is one of those for example.)

An Initiate not born here. You're the first Outsider we've let join in a long, long time. Well, near on twenty years now.

That's Maxson talking, btw.

 

[Mord_Sith]

Thusly I have been told

 

[Deleted member 53669]

Let's just assume the BOS from Fallout 1 gained in power, branching from the FO2 storyline. Then, they scavenged vehicles and supplies, and took a road-trip Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas style fucked up on Jet towards DC....Blaring old Rolling Stones tapes on their A-Trax from the future that they discovered on a crashed UFO out in the desert.


I like that idea. BOS may not be like that but, who knows how Jet would effect all that.


PS. Armor B, I can understand bad grammar, but not in your own sig. And your Sig doesn't even make sense on a philosophical level. Can I have what you are on?

 

[ArmorB]

...

PS. Armor B, I can understand bad grammar, but not in your own sig. And your Sig doesn't even make sense on a philosophical level. Can I have what you are on?

A rock can't wait under a bonsai tree for the apocalypse?

(spelling fixed)

 

[DarkCorp]

It is only 2,675 miles from LA to Washington DC.

Put in historical perspective:

During the gold rush pioneers traveled (wagon) the Oregon Trail (2000 miles) in six months. It runs from Missouri to Oregon.

In another case the Mormons took 23 years to go from Illinois to Utah, 70,000 walked the whole way.

Lewis and Clark covered 8000 miles in 28 months.

Eh, a few problems here.

Number one, the brotherhood simply did not have the manpower to send a contingent of men out into the unknown (forget whether the reason was good or not).

Two, the BOS apparently thought the glow wasn't worth going to so why the hell would they go to DC?

Three, Louis and Clark and the settlers didn't have to travel through RADIATION.

Four, they had a map and a guide.

Five, how many settlers were killed on the trek westward by hostiles, weather, FOOD and WATER scarcity, etc, ect? Well, I guess if its bethesda they might as well have given the BOS fremen stillsuits.

Six, a few indians here and there and the occasional bear don't compare to Deathclaws, remnants of the masters army, maurading raiders armed with post industrial revolution weapons and armor.

And as mentioned before, did they have vehicles? Someone mentioned Beth already considered Tactics non-canon and I personally thought the working car idea was a joke in F2.

 

[Serbaside]

Eh, a few problems here.

Number one, the brotherhood simply did not have the manpower to send a contingent of men out into the unknown (forget whether the reason was good or not).

Based on Beths story no. A small group of defections would have been a better plot.

Two, the BOS apparently thought the glow wasn't worth going to so why the hell would they go to DC?

See above, if they had a better plot it could be worked in.

Three, Louis and Clark and the settlers didn't have to travel through RADIATION.

No but they did have the natural elements, one guy died on the trip apparently (appendicitis). Traveling 8000 miles is not walk in the park what ever way you look at it. Neither would a trip to DC be easy but still there is not reason it cannot be done, not all areas are radioactive.

Four, they had a map and a guide.

BoS would most defiantly have access to far better maps than any early day explorer had. They have power armor, super weapons, and pipboys but not one has a map from before the destruction?

Five, how many settlers were killed on the trek westward by hostiles, weather, FOOD and WATER scarcity, etc, ect? Well, I guess if its bethesda they might as well have given the BOS fremen stillsuits.

Sure a lot died but trained individuals of the BoS should not have a problem surviving on their own.

Six, a few indians here and there and the occasional bear don't compare to Deathclaws, remnants of the masters army, maurading raiders armed with post industrial revolution weapons and armor.

The BoS are not a bunch of sissies, they can fight can't they?

And as mentioned before, did they have vehicles? Someone mentioned Beth already considered Tactics non-canon and I personally thought the working car idea was a joke in F2.

I agree here, they would have to walk or wagon it.

 

[PlanHex]

I'm by no means educated in FO lore but what happend to the vertibird plans 'we' stole and gave to the BoS? Couldn't they have built those and flew across the US?

If you remember, the reason The Enclave set up the base at Navarro was (in part) for refueling purposes for when they took the trip from the oil rig to the mainland.
Also, I assume the vertibird you can find in Klamath ran out of fuel and thus crashed. Maybe one of their first runs or something?

Anyway, my point is it wouldn't make it all the way to other side.

 

[ArmorB]

I'm by no means educated in FO lore but what happend to the vertibird plans 'we' stole and gave to the BoS? Couldn't they have built those and flew across the US?

If you remember, the reason The Enclave set up the base at Navarro was (in part) for refueling purposes for when they took the trip from the oil rig to the mainland.
Also, I assume the vertibird you can find in Klamath ran out of fuel and thus crashed. Maybe one of their first runs or something?

Anyway, my point is it wouldn't make it all the way to other side.

Not that I'm challenging that, but those plans and a long enough time to improve the vehicle and fuel cells....

 

[Tagaziel]

Am I the only one feeling they are going to make a general copy-paste of Fallout 1, in terms of general plot outline and progression?

 

[DarkCorp]

No but they did have the natural elements, one guy died on the trip apparently (appendicitis). Traveling 8000 miles is not walk in the park what ever way you look at it. Neither would a trip to DC be easy but still there is not reason it cannot be done, not all areas are radioactive.

So wouldn't this just magnify problems or you just deciding to ignore wear and tear weather causes weapons, armor, ammunition, so on so forth. There is a huge difference between a raid and back to base for repairs and going thousands of miles away with most likely no suppply line (if you do add in an addition of a supply line then it only causes more logistical problems with above conditions).

BoS would most defiantly have access to far better maps than any early day explorer had. They have power armor, super weapons, and pipboys but not one has a map from before the destruction?

How accurate would those maps be after a nuclear holocaust? Many feats of engineering a pre-apocalypse society would normally enjoy would either be rundown or non-existant. Bridges could be out, roadways jammed with burnt out cars. How many chokepoints would be guarded by bandits? I mean you think the brotherhood can just carry around enough ammunition for a thousand mile journey without planes or vehicles, surely you jest. Even if they did have a weapon, any half intelligent bandit would just cause enough damage to the wagon to disable its movement. Or are the BOS also going to have limitless materials to just fix this damage?

Sure a lot died but trained individuals of the BoS should not have a problem surviving on their own

Tell me again how a human being can live without clean food and water just with training. You may be thinking of survival skills but in a wasteland where most if not all things are contaminated, thats exagerrating things a bit. Oh yeah we can shoot animals but wait, that takes a further toll on ammunition thats already conserved for hostiles.

The BoS are not a bunch of sissies, they can fight can't they?

Dude, you assume that the BOS have near limitless amounts of ammunition for a journey thats a few thousand miles. Second, power armor isn't invincible. Even with it, deathclaws still beat your ass. Rockets and Gauss weapons punch through armor like swiss cheese.

Unless you conjure up some magical fairy tale where everything goes just right, then yeah you can explain away all the above but life simply doesn't work out that way.

 

[The Dutch Ghost]

Am I the only one feeling they are going to make a general copy-paste of Fallout 1, in terms of general plot outline and progression?

Actually Mikael Grizzly I kind of had the same idea weeks earlier, when I heard about the factions and elements I couldn't help but think that sounded really like Fallout 1, not as in truly a game that recreates that game's spirit but how bluntly parts of the storyline had been copied.

The only changes is that they will probably now also will throw the remnants of the Enclave in who probably are working on some nefarious plot or are behind these new Super Mutants.

Edit:

I really like the Brotherhood in Van Buren so much more.
The concept of the Brotherhood was also somewhat changed in that, accepting some of the best of the wasteland, setting up a new base far from the Brotherhood's headquarters, but it didn't go over the top and the Brotherhood still sticked to its ideals even though they tried to change their attitude a little.