NFL 2009

[Sander]

That's just testament to how short you've been watching the game. But it probably has more to do with you caring about the outcome. I certainly did, I cheered every time I saw Favre limp, for every hit he got and whooped at every pick he threw. Good game to watch when it came to that.

It wasn't the best game I've ever watched, but it was the most exciting one. I cared more about the outcome, but it was also a ridiculously close game that really shouldn't have been close.

Vikes fans are livid. Conspiracy! We wuz robbed! What else is new with fans feeling that way about a close game? I don't see the blown calls in overtime, especially not since this was the Booth Review Bowl, and they were careful with their calls.

Or is this the Muddle in the Huddle? Drawing a 12 man in the huddle penalty at that moment, guys, really? Really?! Who coaches these guys, Ronald McDonald? With the pre-existing authority problems, I wonder if Chilly is back next year. Hopefully Favre isn't.

If he's not, he certainly set a new record.
Favre's last throw for the Falcons? Interception.
Favre's last throw for the Packers? Interception.
Favre's last throw for the Jets? Interception.
Favre's last throw for the Vikings? Interception?
Favre's last throw for his career? Interception?

That's his career in a nutshell.

I hate Favre as much as the next guy, but this loss wasn't really on him. Both those picks were bad, but what was Chilly doing, just running it up the gut because he thinks 53yds is field goal range? Peterson's 3 fumbles, then Chester coming back and fumbling one away too?

Four years ago:

Now Arizona and NOLA are off it too. Just a handful of futiles left.

And the Texans and Jags are recent expansion teams, with the Browns kind of getting robbed (since their team won a SB a couple years after leaving town). Only Detroit is completely futile.
Someone posted this list on FootballOutsiders.com, when NFC teams reached the Super Bowl for the first time, * denotes a team reaching the Super Bowl for the only time:
Detroit Never
Minnesota 1977
Washington 1992
San Francisco 1995
Dallas 1996
Green Bay 1998
Atlanta 1999 *
St. Louis 2000
Tampa Bay 2003 *
Carolina 2004 *
Philadelphia 2005
Seattle 2006 *
Chicago 2007
New York Giants 2008
Arizona 2009 *
New Orleans 2010 *

Who said parity was dead?

 

[Brother None]

I hate Favre as much as the next guy, but this loss wasn't really on him.

No, but neither did he have Favre magic to pull us out, proving once again commentators talk out of their ass.

The coaching and offense was just bad, and yes that includes Favre, who I wouldn't be surprised to hear audibled in one of his picks. The D was solid, and ST just ok, O's mistakes threw the game away.

AND THEY WUS ROBBED.

with the Browns kind of getting robbed (since their team won a SB a couple years after leaving town).

What.

Also the Browns never played nor hosted a Superbowl. Only franchise in the NFL with that distinction.

Philadelphia 2005
Seattle 2006 *
Chicago 2007
New York Giants 2008
Arizona 2009 *
New Orleans 2010 *

If * denotes only, your list is broken. Your list is broken anyway because 2008 wasn't the Giants' first Superbowl (that's 1986), nor 2007 the Bears' only (1985), but the asterikses make no sense, if it was corrects on Bears/Giants, when did Bears/Giants/Eagles go to the Superbowl after said year?

Who said parity was dead?

I fail to see what your list proves on parity.

 

[Sander]

No, but neither did he have Favre magic to pull us out, proving once again commentators talk out of their ass.

The coaching and offense was just bad, and yes that includes Favre, who I wouldn't be surprised to hear audibled in one of his picks. The D was solid, and ST just ok, O's mistakes threw the game away.

AND THEY WUS ROBBED.

Hah.
I think what kept the Vikings in the game for the most part was the fact that the Saints couldn't pick up 3rd&short, at all.

If * denotes only, your list is broken. Your list is broken anyway because 2008 wasn't the Giants' first Superbowl (that's 1986), nor 2007 the Bears' only (1985), but the asterikses make no sense, if it was corrects on Bears/Giants, when did Bears/Giants/Eagles go to the Superbowl after said year?

My list isn't broken, my explanation is. That should've been 'last time they went to the Super Bowl', not first time.

I fail to see what your list proves on parity.

Lots of previously perpetual failures making it to the Super Bowl in the past decade.

 

[TwinkieGorilla]

bwaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!


and that's really all i have to say.

 

[Cimmerian Nights]

Typical Favre. He is what he is, what he's always been.
Bummer after all that to see the game decided on a coin toss and sketchy PI call. I'll be happy when they completely eliminate this extraneous football part of deciding football games and we can just flip coins and throw yellow scarves at each other. Save a lot of time.
Why are the NFL rules always like 10 years behind college?

Hey Cimm, Manning is 9-8 in the post-season now. Can we put the choker tag to pasture now or does he have to win it all to merit your approval?

He looked great against the Jets backups yesterday.
I'm glad he won, I don't think I can take any more rules changes tailored to him.

Kind of irrelevant, I didn't think either AFC team could beat either NFC team. Still don't.

 

[Brother None]

He looked great against the Jets backups yesterday.

Heh. Don't ever change, Cimms.

Kind of irrelevant, I didn't think either AFC team could beat either NFC team.

We'll see. It's the closest spread (4) since the Ravens-Giants Superbowl. Also highest point spread over/under at 56. Typically not your type of ballgame. Sucks to be you.

 

[Maphusio]

It may be dumb, I'll say it anyway, I feel for Farve. He will never get that perfect closure to his career.

 

[Cimmerian Nights]

I feel bad for the Vikes in general, they got jobbed in OT big time. Favre did get particularly abused though. You'll not see Manning stand in against that pass rush, he's nigh unsackable. Guy never gets hit.

We'll see. It's the closest spread (4) since the Ravens-Giants Superbowl.

Opened at 5. Must be that NO's D got shredded last week. Still, I think NO is more of a complete team than Indy, and they have a lot more depth in offensive skill positions. Indy's D is playing out of their mind though.

Jets and Vikes both showed a glimpse of how to throw Brees and Manning off. This game will come down to pass rush, because you know they're gonna air that mofo out.

Also highest point spread over/under at 56. Typically not your type of ballgame. Sucks to be you.

Yeah, but with all the b.s. and strokery going on for the next few weeks it's easy to lose sight of the fact that there is actually a game that gets played.
Besides, I've seen so many horrendous SBs, it's been a matter of principle for years to get shitfaced preemptively.

 

[UniversalWolf]

I think the Vikings team let Favre down more than Favre let the team down. He never should have been in the situation to throw that last pick. A penalty for twelve men in the huddle? That's idiocy.

Having said that, I laughed.

 

[Brother None]

I think the Vikings team let Favre down more than Favre let the team down. He never should have been in the situation to throw that last pick. A penalty for twelve men in the huddle? That's idiocy.

This paragraph is idiocy, if that's what you mean. Please don't go all "That's the thing about Brett Favre(notes); he's not afraid to throw an interception. That's one of the things I most admire about him" on us, UDub, Favre has enough apologists as it is.

Yeah, but with all the b.s. and strokery going on for the next few weeks it's easy to lose sight of the fact that there is actually a game that gets played.

Did you hear Archie Manning used to play for the Saints and Peyton grew up a Saints fan? DIDYAHEAR?!

Besides, I've seen so many horrendous SBs, it's been a matter of principle for years to get shitfaced preemptively.

What a waste of some great SBs in the past few years for you, then.

 

[Cimmerian Nights]

I can't speak for UDub, but I think he's saying that we all know (who better than a Packers fan would?) that Brett is prone to make mindbogglingly stupid INTs in big spots. It's one of the hallmarks of his career. So with that as a given, the people who put him in that position are the failures, it's not like this is a big secret. In light of Favre's career it's akin to letting Michael Jackson babysit your kids.

But the turnovers, the 12 men penalty, the fumbles, the playcalling, the fumbles, the charade that was the OT period. Did I mention the fumbles? And how do you not call roughing on the high/low hit that broke his whatever? The one they missed when Sanchez handed off the ball was even worse. You telling me Manning doesn't get those calls?

I don't think I would say that Brett Favre let down or failed the Vikes to they extent they blew it.

And I'm not throwing anybody under the bus. I said 6 mos ago that if they didn't make it to the NFCC it would have to be viewed as a failure. Well, they made it, the way they lost leaves a bad taste in your mouth but he didn't throw 20 INTs, his body didn't break down, and he had statistically one of his best years and lost on the road to a #1 seed in the NFCC game.

I'm not a Favre fan or a Favre hater, I'm pretty detached by all this so I don't get the need people have to be lying in wait for him to fail to jump all over the guy.

He's done. Why beat a dead horse?

Jesus, you have no concept of how bad the Favre love was during the Madden-FOX era. Madden gargled his onions something fierce. Him and Gilbert Brown.
Frank Caliendo can't even do Madden without saying Brett Favre every other word.

What a waste of some great SBs in the past few years for you, then.

Shitfaced doesn't mean I black out doood. Besides my buddy has been crafting these nifty commemorative SB spliffs since that Steelers/Cowboys debacle in '96, it's a tradition. I usually end up watching it with neighborhood dudes who are obnoxious Jets & Giants fans, which requires some form of inebriation to cope with.

I still think the NFCC and AFCC games of yore were better than the parity era SBs. You watch those NYG/SF, SF/GB, DAL/GB, DAL/SF, NYG/WASH. They were heavyweights, HOFers all over the place.

The dynasty eras produced better playoffs.

The salary cap has leveled the playing field almost too much. Competitiveness may be higher leaguewide, but it's been achieved at the expense of the heavyweight powerhouses. TV ratings for the playoffs just caught up to the 80s and 90s too for the first time.

 

[Sander]

I can't speak for UDub, but I think he's saying that we all know (who better than a Packers fan would?) that Brett is prone to make mindbogglingly stupid INTs in big spots. It's one of the hallmarks of his career. So with that as a given, the people who put him in that position are the failures, it's not like this is a big secret. In light of Favre's career it's akin to letting Michael Jackson babysit your kids.

But the turnovers, the 12 men penalty, the fumbles, the playcalling, the fumbles, the charade that was the OT period. Did I mention the fumbles? And how do you not call roughing on the high/low hit that broke his whatever?

Even though everyone likes to pretend it's his fault the Vikes aren't in the Super Bowl, they lost due to a lot of other reasons than Favre. Favre's interception was pretty ugly, but they could've won that game a dozen times over earlier in the match.

The one they missed when Sanchez handed off the ball was even worse. You telling me Manning doesn't get those calls?

Ehe, you never stop, do you?

 

[Cimmerian Nights]

There's only one QB left that's going to face that same NO pass rush. Who am I supposed to talk about?

Sanchez got pancaked after a handoff. That bush league. Deserves a 15 yard personal foul. How don't they call that?

You don't really think the rules get applied the same way to everybody do you?

 

[UniversalWolf]

What I'm saying is, the game-losing interception never would've been thrown if not for five fumbles, failing to gain a single yard on two consecutive running plays, and finally a twelve-men-in-the-huddle penalty. Take away any one of those stupid things, and the team doesn't have to rely on Favre completing a pass on one crucial play. I honestly can't remember ever seeing a penalty for huddling twelve before. It should never happen. When you put Favre in a position where he has to make one throw with the game on the line, you get what you deserve. Either he makes a big play or he throws an int. ADP should change his nickname to FAD for Fumbles All Day.

Didn't they make a "Tom Brady" rule about going for the legs of the QB? Because I was watching the replay of the hit when Favre got hurt, and the second guy went right for his legs. Just an observation.

 

[Sander]

There's only one QB left that's going to face that same NO pass rush. Who am I supposed to talk about?

Sanchez got pancaked after a handoff. That bush league. Deserves a 15 yard personal foul. How don't they call that?

You don't really think the rules get applied the same way to everybody do you?

I love you Cimms, but you really, really never stop.

What, you think these referees wilfully protect certain players more than others?

What I'm saying is, the game-losing interception never would've been thrown if not for five fumbles, failing to gain a single yard on two consecutive running plays, and finally a twelve-men-in-the-huddle penalty. Take away any one of those stupid things, and the team doesn't have to rely on Favre completing a pass on one crucial play. I honestly can't remember ever seeing a penalty for huddling twelve before.

I remember at least one just this season (and I think it was on the Pats in the Pats - Colts game, but they may be my memory), and twelve men on the field penalties resulting from something other than someone moving off slowly are equally stupid and happen every once in a while, too.
Yeah it's stupid and shouldn't happen. But it happens every once in a while.

Didn't they make a "Tom Brady" rule about going for the legs of the QB? Because I was watching the replay of the hit when Favre got hurt, and the second guy went right for his legs. Just an observation.

Yep. Penalties get missed all the time, though.

 

[Brother None]

I remember at least one just this season (and I think it was on the Pats in the Pats - Colts game, but they may be my memory), and twelve men on the field penalties resulting from something other than someone moving off slowly are equally stupid and happen every once in a while, too.

12 men on the field usually happens because a wily QB/C quicksnaps upon observing a slow change.

12 men in the huddle has no such excuse. I don't think I've seen it before, actually, don't remember it this season. It's rare, regardless, while 12 men on the field is not.

What I'm saying is, the game-losing interception never would've been thrown if not for five fumbles, failing to gain a single yard on two consecutive running plays, and finally a twelve-men-in-the-huddle penalty. Take away any one of those stupid things, and the team doesn't have to rely on Favre completing a pass on one crucial play. I honestly can't remember ever seeing a penalty for huddling twelve before. It should never happen. When you put Favre in a position where he has to make one throw with the game on the line, you get what you deserve. Either he makes a big play or he throws an int. ADP should change his nickname to FAD for Fumbles All Day.

You forget quite a few of those turnovers already belonged to Favre.

I don't disagree with you, it just sounds as if it's an excuse. It isn't. With the game on the line, Favre threw it away. Regardless of how he was put there, the fact that we all knew what was going to happen because this is what Favre does is exactly why I don't buy the top 5 GOAT nonsense.

It's fun to watch, and every now and again the gambles pay off, but only sports commentators are blindfolded enough to not recognize it as the mark against his career that it is.

 

[Cimmerian Nights]

Didn't they make a "Tom Brady" rule about going for the legs of the QB? Because I was watching the replay of the hit when Favre got hurt, and the second guy went right for his legs. Just an observation.

That's exactly the kind of hit they made it for. You could also make the case that he came in late, at the back of the legs, and may have even launched. Pretty egregious. He also took a few of those WWF type driving or planting tackles that are illegal on QBs as well. Surprised they missed those.

Curious to see how they call the SB with that same pass rush next week.
If you call the game like that, I'm cool with it. But do it consistently.


edit:
Well the refs eventually got the calls right.

McCray fined $20,000 for hits on Favre
Saints rack up even more fines

The way they beat up Warner and Favre was fierce. If they get to Manning, they could make it a very interesting game for sure.

Anf they finally 'fessed up to the Sanchez one two. Nice that they do it a week later when some of these calls would've overturned turnovers and forced 1st downs. Not that these were important games or anything.

PFT[/url]]NFL V.P. of officiating Mike Pereira admitted that the officials in the AFC Championship Game blew it by not calling a late hit on Colts safety Melvin Bullitt when he tackled Jets quarterback Mark Sanchez after a handoff.

I hope Pereira gets payed a lot of money, because he's the only ones doing mea culpas and he doesn't even call games. AFAIK that's about all he does publicly. Apologize for blown calls that he didn't make.

What, you think these referees wilfully protect certain players more than others?

Of course they do, it's part of the rules. You can't do to a kicker or QB what you can to a D-lineman (last I heard life expectancy for an NFL lineman is 52, this is no joke man). Clearly guys like Brady and Manning play by a different set of rules. Ask Ray Lewis and his boys, that's all they ever talk about.

Or do we just attribute this to incompetence? Either way it sucks when we as fans are robbed of watching a properly called game without the cloud of controversy darkening it.
I don't have a dog in the Vikes/Saints fight, I just want a competitive game that's decided on the field, not blown calls, coin tosses, b.s. booth reviews in OT and sketchy PI calls. I turned the game off after that PI call.
That was a great 4 QTRs of football followed by a real dodgy OT.

This is not news, and it exists in every American sport.

12 men on the field usually happens because a wily QB/C quicksnaps upon observing a slow change.

A pragmatic, yet chickenshit move. It's a strategy employed to deny the defense to change packages or makes substitutions. It's a shrewd exploitation of the rules, it's not good football. You're one step away from defenses countering this with faggoty ass soccer style lay downs to force substitutions.
Do we need to get attorneys involved or can we just watch a fucking ballgame already?

It's fun to watch, and every now and again the gambles pay off, but only sports commentators are blindfolded enough to not recognize it as the mark against his career that it is.

Commentators only pander and cater to the general TV viewing public. You know, morons.
Don't be fooled either, they love and hype Favre because he is TV ratings gold and they want to attach themselves to his star.

The NFL is entertainment. Ultimately, it's all about TV ratings and revenue. Win big or go down in flames, that's what Favre delivers without fail.

 

[Sander]

Who dat say dey gonna beat dem Saints?
Dem Colts ain't.

Again a good Super Bowl, not as good as the last two years obviously, but still good.

And yet another team wins the Super Bowl for the first time, proving again and again that the Lions are a pitiful franchise.

 

[Brother None]

Oh

My

God

Did you guys see Manning choke?! He was choking so bad I'm amazed he didn't suffocate. That was totally, 100%, no doubt, no questions asked, completely his fault. The Colts were awesome but he threw the game away.

Chooooooooooooooooo

kaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

 

[Cimmerian Nights]

Nothing needs to be said about Manning in the postseason that his record doesn't already say for itself. He did blow it with that pick six, the game's only turnover. 0 4th QTR points. 17 points overall ain't enough to win an arena football game. Payton understood this was an arena game, and arena games come down to who has the most possessions. Ballsy, aggressive game called by the Saints. Colts were way too tight and conservative. Going back to week 16. What a waste.

At least Polian's not bitching about the pass coverage at the line and Manning's being a good sport about it this time.

Oh wait...

Bill Polian told me outside the stadium after the game you can't blame Garcon because he got "jacked'' at the line of scrimmage. Maybe, but I watched the replay a couple of times early this morning, and he was well away from the jacking when the Manning pass clanked off his hands.

Rules changes forthcoming, right after they change their diapers. The NFL must be saved from jams and bump-and-run coverage! And onside kicks before the 4th quarter. Something's broken when a 6th round pick has 3 rings, and a 4xMVP doesn't.