NFL 2010

Brother None said:
Man I love Colts-Pats. Always intense, only real consistent rivalry of the decade. Another solid game. Good come-from-behind effort by Peyton, though he ended up falling short.
Yeah, the games are always good drama. It's been great for a long time, and has really morphed over the years. Pats used to dominate with defense in the dynasty days, as the old guard of defenders departed (Ty Law, McGinest etc.) Manning took over, usually with 4th QTR comebacks as the Pats D softened. Pats finally got some defensive players who can step up and make plays. I don't know that the Pats hold on the other day if Brackett, Sessions and Bobzilla are playing. Colts are really depleted.

Pats really looking old-school with 3 INTs and the 'death by a thousand paper cuts' dink-and-dunk, small-ball offense. I'll take that shit over a Randy Moss blowout any day.

They'll probably end up playing again in the playoffs, which is why it's imperative to get the #1 seed from those fucking Jets. Tie-breaker over the Colts don't mean shit when they are higher seeded because they win a shitty division.

Jets must fall.

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What Pats/Colts game is complete without Manningface?
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Needless to say the kids and I were dancing around the living room all Sunday to this music.
 
I'm rooting for the Cowboys.
Someone shoot me.

EDIT: Oh and of course they can't pick up 10 yards with 40 seconds to go and 2 timeouts to make it likely they hit the field goal. Assholes.
 
I just wonder if Patriots players will complain about their QB getting hit again.

Good win by the Coltriots over the Lions tho.
 
Yeah, they did a great job of disrupting Brady:

Notes: A milestone day for Brady
It was a milestone day for Tom Brady, and not just because his 21-for-27, 341-yard, 4-touchdown performance earned him a perfect passing rating of 158.3 for the second time in his career:

-He has now gone six straight starts without an interception, tying the franchise record for most consecutive starts without an interception. Tony Eason also had six straight starts without an interception in 1986.

-His four touchdown passes raised his career total to 248, moving him past John Hadl and Boomer Esiason into 14th place on the NFL’s all-time list. Next up: Drew Bledsoe, who's No. 13 with 251 career touchdowns.

-He now has 33,547 career passing yards, which moved him past Phil Simms into 22nd place on the all-time list.

...

YOU KNOW, YOU'RE RIGHT!
Far be it from the Jets and Patriots to agree on anything, but the Pats might not argue with New York linebacker Bart Scott, who called the Lions "the dirtiest team I've ever played against." Detroit was called for three unsportsmanlike-conduct penalties after pushing-and-shoving incidents after three consecutive plays once the outcome was decided, while New England went unpenalized after all three.

Smart football Detroit, took the bait instead of taking your beating like a man. Did you see Suh crying to the refs? I guess I would be too what with McCourty making a better case yesterday for being DROY.

I'm starting to think you're a closeted, self-loathing Pats fan, or does the Deion Branch debacle still bother you that much? HE ever score and 80 yd TDs like that in Seattle? I'm thankful for : your 1st round pick :P

Who cares about the NFL's hoi polloi, bring on the Jets!
 
Cimmerian Nights said:
I'm starting to think you're a closeted, self-loathing Pats fan, or does the Deion Branch debacle still bother you that much? HE ever score and 80 yd TDs like that in Seattle? I'm thankful for : your 1st round pick :P

No that trade is stupid, but I can hardly blame the Pats for that.

Man you're obtuse. This has nothing to do with the Greatriots, I love them, I'm just trolling the heck out of your insistence that they are a smashmouth football team when they are clearly a finesse passing team just like the Colts. And your reply is pointing out what a great passer your QB is and how oh no Detroit is dirty! - AKA exactly the behavior you hate the Colts for? You must be going schizophrenic like all hell by now.

Also:
Cimmerian Nights said:
Did you see Suh crying to the refs? I guess I would be too what with McCourty making a better case yesterday for being DROY.

Hah-hah no. I know we have short memories on all these awards so the second half of the season matters more than the first, but Suh was great as ever in that game (barring the 4th quarter) and is still the only legitimate DRoY candidate. And Earl Thomas comes in before McCourty too.
 
The only time I said smash-mouth I was talking about the Steelers,
Cimmerian Nights said:
Yeah, I don't really hate Pittsburg, I respect them ... they are a solid organization, draft really well, and play smash-mouth ball, love Pats/Steelers games.
there's no way I'd call the 2010 Pats smash-mouth. Opportunistic, ball control, dink-and-dunk, young, inconsistent, porous secondary. Frankly I don't think the Patriots are all that good, they just hold it together and convert a few key 1st downs here and there where other teams cough it up or can't convert. And I don't even really credit the Patriots for that, as it's usually the other team screwing up.

They are playing with house money, they are still in rebuilding mode what with their stockpile of picks again next year. It's all gravy this year.

I don't get the Colt's comparison. The Pats are stout up front, they play the run well on both sides, always have. The Colts have always been notoriously soft up the middle and one dimensional on Offense post-Edgerrin James. The Pats passing attack post-Moss is all underneath, take what you're given shit. They're back to the smoke and mirrors offense of yesteryear. Like I said, maybe during the Moss-era you could make that case, but they even exceeded the Colts in the area of whorish regular season stats in '07.

The Colts I remind you, wussed out on their chance at history, opting to rest up (as they do every year) for their inevitable depantsing of Seyton. The Pats, while falling short on the last drive of the SB went balls to the wall. Totally different philosophies and the last 10 years bare it out pretty starkly.

If there's any Colts/Patriots paralell to be made it's their ability to make starters out of late rounders and undrafted types.

The only whining from yesterday is from the Lions Shaun Hill says a Patriots player tried to break his arm.
And your reply is pointing out what a great passer your QB is and how oh no Detroit is dirty! - AKA exactly the behavior you hate the Colts for? You must be going schizophrenic like all hell by now.
Back up a little. Hiting the QB is the means, not the end. I think you're confusing FF with actual football, you don't score points for hitting, hurrying or sacking. You hit the QB to throw him off his game, disrupt his timing, intimidate him and otherwise create chaos for which he must cope.

If the QB then goes on to pass for 400 accurate yards and 4TDs and no turnovers, well, I'd question the effectiveness of that hitting, legal or otherwise. Not the hitting itself. Who stands in the pocket and takes hits better than Brady? - and how do the Colts come in. Peyton Manning rarely if ever gets hit or sacked, he's too damn good and fast.

I never heard anyone from the Patriots say Detriot is dirty, Bart Scott did. But 3 consecutive, unanswered unsportsmanlikes as time is expiring when you're down 20+ in front of hometown crowd when you blew 2 leads? That's not dirty, that's counterproductive, bitch-ass pouting. I didn't see any dirty hits, maybe they happened during a Pecan Pie run.

mmmm Pecan Pie.
 
Ugh, why must you always ruin my trolling by being so the serious and reasonable about it?

lulz at calling a 12.2 YPA passing attack "dink-and-dunk" though. Or the trite and predictable "confusing FF with actual football", I wish you'd get over it and respect that I do know this game, and don't just base my knowledge on FF stats or boxscores. I know I've only been watching this game for half a dozen years which is nothing compared to the lifetime of watching most users here have, but it's honestly getting old.
 
It's all good bra', I've been on a tryptophan, pecan pie and Dad's Southern Comfort Manhattan binge since yesterday.

Can't get why anyone is upset about the Jets run of luck though. A win is a win is a win - who cares if they continually beat the odds or if it ever catches up with them? The Bengals had chance after chance to put the Jets away and they didn't. Jets are loaded with talent and morale is sky high. And they're doing it w/o Kris Jenkins. :shock:

The only thing that pisses me off about them is how the real contributors who are lifetime Jets (Mangold, David Haris, Brick) get no press. That's the heart of the Jets. They have some great assistant coaches in Callahan and Westhoff (sp?) too. Shottenheimer and Sanchez are always good for comedic effect too. Rex is way too jolly and friendly compared to his old man, he had a friggin' mean streak a mile wide.


I'm pumped for some northeastern, December, playoff-implicating football.

edit: Cute fluff piece on Buddy and the 46:
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Best front ever? Dan Hampton, Richard Dent, the 'fridge, Mongo, Singletary, Otis and Wilbur Marshall. Marshall was something else, played for some nasty 'Skins teams too. Freak.
 
Cimmerian Nights said:
I spy fudge-Packers on the horizon too. Keep that O-line healthy for us will ya?
It's really too bad Grant and Finley got hurt, because the GB o-line is playing better than it has in years. Bulaga has found a home at RT, and Clifton looks like he's 27 again.

We'll find out how good they actually are against the Falcons this weekend.

BTW, they're meat and pickle packers, not fudge. :P

There were lots of people hoping that DB named Jamaal Fudge would end up on the team, though.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamaal_Fudge
 
Packers/Pats I'm looking forward too, would make for a nice, epic, late season, shootout in the snow. If the Pats secondary contains Rodgers to less than 350yards I'd be shocked.

What about poor Randy Moss? Went from having Brady to Favre to VY to Kerry Collins to Rusty whatshisface in about 6 weeks. I don't see how he doesn't go all Oakland Randy on them considering how much of a mess Tenn. looks like now.

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Colts/Bolts should be good tonight. One of my favorite recent rivalries. Indy crowd h as really brought out the Marmalard like never seen before. The last 10 years of AFC division winners has made for some great rivalries between Steelers/Pats/Colts/Chargers.

Rare miked up from Belichik: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-films-sound-efx/09000d5d81c62df7/Sound-FX-Bill-Belichick-miked. Guy's public perception is so far from the kind of coach he actually is.
 
One thing I've learned over the years as a Pats fan is never to feel pity for Seyton Manning, as he can come back and bite you in the ass big time. He can play 45 minutes of lackluster football and then go bananas on you in the 4th. If you get Manning down, you can never take your foot off his throat - and I mean that as a compliment.

But even I have to admit that his recent woes are more a result of him doing too much of the heavy lifting. His team is pretty decimated, lots of dropped balls. No running game to speak of, can't stop the run. It looked like a healthy Tolbert could've taken every carry in that game and run away with it (I only watched the first half). He looked like a friggin' rhino out there yesterday.

You see Manning have these 4 or 6 INT games against the Bolts, it just goes to show you that he is all the Colts have, there's no alternative running game, ST help, nothing. I remember watching that 6INT game thinking, "what other QB throws 6 picks and doesn't get pulled?" Even on his worse day, he's still all they have and they will ride him as far as they can.

I wouldn't bury the Colts yet, San Diego D is the best statistically. And no team can win 12 games every year forever. There's so many variables at play in an NFL season. I'd love to see JAX, or Texans or Tennessee step up, but none of them ever really have convincingly. Colts could still win that division.

No way the Colts can win a JAN road playoff game in a city like Pitt, NYC, BAL or NE (obv. not SD) though. A small, speedy, dome team like that isn't going to cut it against those teams once the temp dips below freezing and the wind and snow kick up.

That's the way it should be.

Watch how those 4 teams NYJ, PITT, BAL, NEP in the north east go after it when the weather turns to shit. I expect Shonn Greene, Ray Rice, Mendenhall to break out. Tomlinson will fade. There may even be a Fragile Freddy Taylor appearance in New England.

You even see it in Buffalo every year. They usually end up being a .500 team that's playing playoff caliber football by the end of every year.

Pats/Jets and Pitt/BAL are monster fucking games next week. Those are the 4 strongest AFC teams heading into the playoffs. The two division winners will get the #1 and #2 seed (with bye and homefield) likely and the looser with end up #5 and #6 seeds, likely with better records than whoever wins the West and South.

Lot of bad blood between all 4 of them and likely epic playoff games to follow. I'm not even sweating the Pats this year, they've already exceeded my expectations.
 
TwinkieGorilla said:
I hate football.
That game was tough. I really thought you guys could pull it out, sucks. Not a good week anyway: Bucs lose a one-score game when they can't get the ball back with 3 minutes and 2 timeouts remaining. Jags barely lose to the Giants after being ahead for basically the entire game. Cowboys choke and can't beat the Saints. Bitches.

And to top it all off, Bucs rookie 7th-round pick Cody Grimm breaks his fibula. This means that more likely than not, human tackling dummy Sabby Piscitelli is going to be starting at free safety. We're doomed.


Also, how 'bout dem Bears? Maybe it's time to take them seriously after all. The offense seems to be getting better each week and they have a really good defense.
 
Sander said:
TwinkieGorilla said:
I hate football.
That game was tough. I really thought you guys could pull it out, sucks.
Yeah, tight game, basically was decided by a fumble and a facemask. I'm not ready to coronate Matt Ryan just yet, getting the ball on your own 50 and marching 15 yards in OT doesn't impress me much.

How about Vick @ Atlanta for NFCC game?

Sander said:
Also, how 'bout dem Bears? Maybe it's time to take them seriously after all. The offense seems to be getting better each week and they have a really good defense.
Cutler's too inconsistent, laser arm but mind-numbing turnovers. He's Favre w/o the résumé and a shitty attitude - Jeff George 2.0.

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Yikes! I think my favorite part about this is when the WR is admiring the INT and some D-lineman lights him up.
 
Cimmerian Nights said:
Yeah, tight game, basically was decided by a fumble and a facemask. I'm not ready to coronate Matt Ryan just yet, getting the ball on your own 50 and marching 15 yards in OT doesn't impress me much.

How about Vick @ Atlanta for NFCC game?
That'd be one hell of a game. I still like the Packers to get to the Super Bowl, though.

I like how there are no real dominant teams this year. It's a lot less predictable than last year.

Cimmerian Nights said:
Cutler's too inconsistent, laser arm but mind-numbing turnovers. He's Favre w/o the résumé and a shitty attitude - Jeff George 2.0.
I don't know, they seem to be changing the offense. Building around the running game (which suddenly works, somehow) and rolling out Cutler to give the O-line a break. He's still throwing up some really dumb balls, but they're minimizing the risk.
 
Sander said:
Cimmerian Nights said:
Cutler's too inconsistent, laser arm but mind-numbing turnovers. He's Favre w/o the résumé and a shitty attitude - Jeff George 2.0.
I don't know, they seem to be changing the offense...
No, they suck. That o-line is horrible. The Bears win through a combination of opportunistic defense and luck...like hitting Miami the week they don't have a QB. They're entering the tough part of the schedule now, so I'll start believing in them when the beat the Pats and the Jets.

Brandon Chillar and Spencer Havner done for the season, bringing the Packers IR player total to 13. :clap:
 
I like how there are no real dominant teams this year. It's a lot less predictable than last year.
Yeah, having the two almost-undefeateds for so long that eventually meet in the SB was pretty predictable. The only real surprise was Jets in the AFCC game, but that was a confluence of some pretty rare circumstances.

It's pretty obvious too that everybody went to school over the offseason on how to stop 2 things :
1. Sean Payton's offense
2. Rex Ryan's defense/blitz schemes
Neither are showing the dominance they did last year.
 
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Gave up a kickoff return TD when up by two scores. Then allowed the Falcons to convert a 3rd&20 on their game-winning drive. Then threw a pick that could've been overturned on replay, but wasn't. Goddamn heartbreaking game.
 
Cimmerian Nights said:
Pats/Jets and Pitt/BAL are monster fucking games next week. Those are the 4 strongest AFC teams heading into the playoffs. The two division winners will get the #1 and #2 seed (with bye and homefield) likely and the looser with end up #5 and #6 seeds, likely with better records than whoever wins the West and South.

Lot of bad blood between all 4 of them and likely epic playoff games to follow. I'm not even sweating the Pats this year, they've already exceeded my expectations.

Meanwhile the Jets are giving me heart troubles. Sanchez has pulled so many wins out of his ass at the last second, which is nice, but why the games were so close against teams that they should never have been so close (Houston!?) is just painful.
 
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