NFL - The Thread, '08.

Brother None said:
That said, you sound a bit too negative. Seriously, the Cowboys are pretty easily the best team in the NFL right now.
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They are head and shoulders above everybody as of week 3. I just saw GB expose some chincks in the armor. When protection breaks down (albeit rarely) Romo hasn't shown himself to be that cool, he has the potential to do some really stupid shit.

And again, until they win a playoff game, I reserve the right to not 'crown their asses'. (I miss Denny Green.)

In the same token, as much as I hate the Giants, they are the reigning champs, and a solid 3-0.
Coughlin is all about fundamentals, like strong O-line. Evidenced by the fact that they didn't miss Tiki one bit last year.

I love the fact that putz Tiki left the team in the lurch, had the balls to call them out from the safety of the studio, and then they procedeed to march on the Super Bowl glory. He could've been a NYC sports legend, instead he'll be a goat. All that shit he talked at the end of the '06 season - during the season. He's so smug and smarmy, wiseass should've sucked it up and kept his mouth shut, he'd have a nice piece of jewelry and NYC immortality to show for it.
 
Cimmerian Nights said:
They are head and shoulders above everybody as of week 3. I just saw GB expose some chincks in the armor. When protection breaks down (albeit rarely) Romo hasn't shown himself to be that cool, he has the potential to do some really stupid shit.
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That's what I saw too. Dallas is good, no doubt, but they certainly don't look unbeatable. I don't think there's another team that would be favored to beat them right now. Then again, they may be peaking too early. Unless they can maintain their current level of play and improve as the season goes on, someone is going to catch up with them.

For example, if something bad happened to TO, they'd be in trouble. Crayton and Austin aren't good enough to inspire fear in a good defense.

I also think other teams will be able to learn some lessons from watching the film of the Green Bay game.
 
UniversalWolf said:
Then again, they may be peaking too early. Unless they can maintain their current level of play and improve as the season goes on, someone is going to catch up with them.
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That's what it's all about. Nobody's going to argue that the Giants were or are the best team in the NFL. They just improved throughout the season and peaked at the right time.

All the wins and stats are for naught if Dallas gets booted out of the 1st round of the playoffs again.
 
UniversalWolf said:
Then again, they may be peaking too early.
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Eh. That's a cliche line that's as often true as it is false, you can't really predict that kind of stuff. Couldn't for the Pats, eh? We'll see. The Bwoys do have something left to prove and if they go 1-and-out again it's time to fire everyone and start anew, because all these nice regular-season statlines don't count for shit.

UniversalWolf said:
For example, if something bad happened to TO, they'd be in trouble.
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Uh yeah that's not a very useful assertion to make.

If team loses #1 WR with little depth, team is in trouble. That doesn't just apply to the Bwoys, its applies to the Colts with Wayne or the Pats-with-Brady with Moss. There's not a lot of teams that has a really strong depth at WR, the Giants and the Pack might be the only ones, and the Eagles is a team for which it doesn't matter because their system doesn't depend as much on WR skills.

If something happens to TO Witten steps in as #1 receiver. That's not great depth, but it's actually better than what the Pats had last year (Wes Welker is underrated and great in his own way, but he can't replace Moss)
 
Brother None said:
UniversalWolf said:
For example, if something bad happened to TO, they'd be in trouble.
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Uh yeah that's not a very useful assertion to make.
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Not every team has a #1 that draws double coverage on every play like TO does.

And Brady won his three Super Bowls with "where are they now?" WRs like Deion Branch, David Patten, Bethel Johnson and Troy Brown. And except for the year they won it with Corey Dillon, there was no run support.
He's won without Moss and Welker, and a decent running game, he just didn't do it by 30 points a game.
Point being, I'll take good defense over WR depth any fucking day.
 
Cimmerian Nights said:
Point being, I'll take good defense over WR depth any fucking day.
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Any "fucking" day?

Anyway, that's besides the point actually, since the point was that the Cowboys are not in an exceptional position in having a single skill player of great importance (TO).
 
Well they are America's Team too you know.:roll:

Brother None said:
Anyway, that's besides the point actually, since the point was that the Cowboys are not in an exceptional position in having a single skill player of great importance (TO).
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I think you're starting to blur the lines between fantasy football and real football.
Brady got three rings with scrub receivers.
McNabb is setting the league on fire with second stringers.
Payton Manning had receivers coming out of his ass, and it wasn't until he's team started playing defense that he actually won a conference championship game and a Super Bowl.

WR depth is overrated.
Look at the Lions.


PS: oh, and "told you so" re: Jason Campbell
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Please, Nawlins and AZ on the road? Creampuffs.
Poor kids going to be running for his life this weekend.
 
Cimmerian Nights said:
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:facepalm:

I just provided a list of teams that - right now or in case of the Pats if Brady was still there - would have major problems if they lose their WR1. Not insurmountable problems, sure, just major ones, just like Dallas would have a major problem but not an insurmountable one.

I'm not making any general statements regarding WR depths. I'm not compared Dallas now to Superbowl teams of yore. I was simply replying to a statement regarding Dallas' lack of WR depth by pointing out they're not the only team with that problem.

Good Frith, man, you're stubborn as a mule when it comes to football, eh?
 
Cimmerian Nights said:
Did I mention I played ILB back in the day? A hard head helps when you've got the A gap. :ugly:
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Certainly explains your grudge towards offensive skill players.
 
Heh. I love good defense too.

A few years ago when everyone was all "omfg Reggie Bush", "Addai is solid" and "holy shit Marques Colston" (hate Bush, I do like Colston tho') the rookie I most enjoyed watching do his stuff was DeMeco Ryans, easy.

EDIT: besides, I always played centre back or sweeper in football
 
Next time you see a picture of Ronnie Lott look at his fingers.
IIRC his pinky was broken and he basically had part of it cut off midgame so he could continue playing. What a badass.

TG, I figured you'd give me shit for not mentioning Nietscke, but I couldn't find any good youtubage.
 
Brother None said:
I'm not making any general statements regarding WR depths. I'm not compared Dallas now to Superbowl teams of yore. I was simply replying to a statement regarding Dallas' lack of WR depth by pointing out they're not the only team with that problem.
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Yes, but they're specifically the only team that goes from being considered the best in the NFL to merely in the top five or six if they lose their best receiver. TO is a major threat, and they don't have any replacement for him. If something happens to him, the whole offense changes for the worse - Witten, Barber, Romo, everyone. Dallas is particularly vulerable in that regard, especially since as good as he is, TO is no spring chicken. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see them make a move for, say, Roy Williams. There have been rumors about Jerry Jones trying to acquire another receiver since the end of last season.
 
Dallas should try to jump on disgruntled Anquan Boldin

Now Dallas would be scary as fuck if they had Boldin join their ranks.

Also, TO may be old but he's not exactly injury-prone.

And I'm not sure I agree. What do you think happens to the Colts if they lose Wayne? Harrison lost his mojo, Gonzalez is too young to be considered a legitimate threat, and Clark is no better than Witten. Essentially the same situation, only Dallas could fall back on a superior running game while the Colts don't have the running talent or defense to do that.
 
i hereby give up on the Packers being a playoff team this year.

just horrible. absolutely horrible game.

AND I'M OFFICIALLY IN A BAD MOOD.
 
I think it's time for the Pack to see if Samkon Gado is still available.

Nevermind A-Rod's ugly picks, TB was never a team you could throw on. Ryant Grant has a serious case of the Igotpaids.

Ugly loss indeed. But keep the faith, man!

EDIT: but dude, giving up on the playoffs? You've got to be kidding me, the Lions are nothing, the Vikes started 1-3 and the Bears aren't going to beat the Eagles, meaning the Pack is still on their own at #1.

It's not that tough a division.
 
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