NFL - week 13 seems like as good a week as any

hahaha, easy buddy! i'm just havin' a bit of rivaling fun, here. i'm a huge Packers fan, what do expect me to say "hey sure dude! you're right! they sure DON'T have an incredible team this year, by golly!"

anyway, i didn't call YOU retarded, just your statement. and i didn't call you "nigga" that was syphon, AND that's not an insult. you racist?

chill-a-dill, quit being so cynical.
 
The Pats' aren't that much above God, figuring they WILL breakdown in the playoff. Even if its the conference title, they will fall. AFC can suck my nuts.

Fuckin' San Diego. Are you smokin' crack?
 
Thanks for your indepth breakdown Madden, please do us all a favor and shut the fuck up.

Considering you have never let on to which team "you" actually pull for.
 
This thread will calm down or I will start removing posts and handing out strikes. It's that simple. Stop taking it so personal.

Cimmerian Nights said:
The NFC is inferior and it doesn't matter who represents the conferences in the Super Bowl. The AFC's best are a cut above the NFC's best.

Yes.

There is no arguing about this, it's simply the truth. It's not very shocking, either, we've always had streaks when one of the conferences dominated the Superbowel. '77-'86 is the only tied period in bowel history. NFC was 10-0 from '87-96, but it's been 8-3 AFC since then.

Those are simple facts. It'll right itself again, especially with some divisions of the AFC tumbling (AFC West) and some divisions of the NFC showing real growth (NFC North)...

But right now, whoever enters the Superbowel for the AFC is the favourite over the NFC.

But you're wrong if you think that means the NFC can't win. This is an Any Given Sunday game. Sure, there are some hopeless cases, like the Bears vs the Colts. And nobody can stop the Pats, it seems, but if you pit the Packers against the Colts or Jags...they couldn't win? (nevermind the Chargers, they're so badly coached it's hopeless)

They damned well could.

(The Cowboys aren't the best the division has to offer now, despite the #1 seed. They're hurting and out of form, Pack is #1 now, then Boys, then Bucs & Hawks)

PS: the whole "there's the leagues, then there's the Colts, then there's the Pats" bit is nonsense. The Pats are in a league of their own, that is true, but everyone else is in the same bunch, bundled up together. The Colts aren't anything special, and are too injured to even try to be. One bowel win doesn't change that.

The Pats are in a league of their own, the Colts are in the same league as the Jags, Pack and 'Boys, and any one of those teams could beat any other one of those teams.
 
precisely. now this, i can agree with. the nfc in general needs to pick it's pace up a bit, but there are plenty of contenders...and teams to look out for next year: with a few personnel changes, The Skins, Bucs, Giants and Hawks could be ferocious next year. even the Vikings and Saints could step it up...after all, the Pack had a horrible record last year and look where they are now? coaching can have such a huge impact even the damn dolphins might be ferocious next year.

as for the Pack? McCarthy has turned this team into a team to be reckoned with. if you review their games from early in the season to now? they looked like a bunch of guys who are great athletes making plays that squeezed them into another win. now? holy shit! now they look to me like (aside from that iffy bears game) the Boys looked earlier in the season...the roles have reversed. they are a well-oiled machine with Grant showing up to PLAY, Favre calming the fuck down, and Jennings, Jones, Robinson, Lee, Martin and of course Driver as serious threats (leading the league in yards after the catch).

unless they blow it early in the playoffs, they are the only team i can see challenging the Pats right now...unless, of course the Pats blow it too. but i'd hate to see that. only team i want to beat them are my team, heheh.
 
I agree with you about the Pack maybe being able to take on the Pats. Big "maybe," of course, since the Pats seem to inevitably crush whoever they're matched with this season. But, who knows.... the playoffs are up, the Bears are (somehow) looking damn good, and the Cowboys are going to need their home field advantage, most likely.

@Brother None: I rag on the Cowboys because I've always disliked their coaching style, and, on occasion, their players. It's much less about the players, though, since every team has their arrogant SOBs.
 
Well I'm looking forward to this weekends match-up of the Giants vs The Bucs. Despite they're very true attempt at the overthrow of the Pat's streak, I believe 100% the buccaneers are gonna make out with this one.

1. Eli Manning is a very hot or cold quarterback. He's either in rhythm and making plays or he's throwing incompletes or interceptions. He's still maturing and going against a team thats ranked overall second in defense and ranked number one against pass yards. Manning is going to get shut down. But that doesn't conclude the Giants offense.

2. The Giants are ranked 4th in rushing yards, against Buc's 7th ranking run defense(I believe). I believe Jacobs is gonna have a good day.

3. The SHOW STOPPER. Jeff Garcia, Buc's free - agent and Veteran QB, has broken the Giants playoff dream two years running.

At the end of the day, I believe the Buc's will take another step toward the Division conference.
 
Brother None said:
but if you pit the Packers against the Colts or Jags...they couldn't win?
Irrelevant. What are Indy and Jax' playoff records in Foxboro? 0 for what? It's not a forgone conclusion that the Pats will win, but a dome team and Florida team aren't best suited to winning in Foxboro in January. History proves it.

Brother None said:
PS: the whole "there's the leagues, then there's the Colts, then there's the Pats" bit is nonsense.
I started with, "there's the NFC, then the Colts".
Indy (who I despise with great passion) only lost 3 games, one to the Pats by 3 points (throwaway), one last week where they rested all starters (throwaway) and one in which Manning channelled the spirit of Rex Grossman throwing 6 INTs and SD scored 2TDs off of kick returns (gross aberration). They are the reigning champs. I don't see how everyone can write them off so easily, despite the monumental choke-jobs they've pulled in the playoffs before, this is a well-oiled scoring machine, and very dangerous in the playoffs.

Syphon said:
2. The Giants are ranked 4th in rushing yards, against Buc's 7th ranking run defense(I believe). I believe Jacobs is gonna have a good day.
Jacobs is fun to watch, especially when he gets into the secondary, he can really dish it out to those DBs.
 
Moving Target said:
@Brother None: I rag on the Cowboys because I've always disliked their coaching style, and, on occasion, their players. It's much less about the players, though, since every team has their arrogant SOBs.

I understand the emotion, especially since the Bwoys are the self-declared "America's Team".

I dunno, I don't get that emotionally invested in NFL. You'd have to live in the US for that, I guess, because I do get that emotionally invested in football over here, hating Amsterdam Ajax and everything it stands for.

Cimmerian Nights said:
Irrelevant. What are Indy and Jax' playoff records in Foxboro? 0 for what? It's not a forgone conclusion that the Pats will win, but a dome team and Florida team aren't best suited to winning in Foxboro in January. History proves it.

Uhm, sure, but how is that irrelevant? The Packers are good enough to beat any AFC team, that's simple fact, it doesn't matter if it's January or the pre-season, dome or non-dome, the point I was trying to make is that just because the AFC is superior doesn't mean they win by default, which is the picture you were painting.

The game still has to be played.

Cimmerian Nights said:
Indy (who I despise with great passion) only lost 3 games, one to the Pats by 3 points (throwaway), one last week where they rested all starters (throwaway) and one in which Manning channelled the spirit of Rex Grossman throwing 6 INTs and SD scored 2TDs off of kick returns (gross aberration). They are the reigning champs. I don't see how everyone can write them off so easily, despite the monumental choke-jobs they've pulled in the playoffs before, this is a well-oiled scoring machine, and very dangerous in the playoffs.

Wow, I just got a total flashback to 2005, when pretty much everyone was saying this about the unstoppable machine, the 13-0 Colts...

Sure, they didn't make the same mistake, they avoided rusting up at the end of the season in going 13-3, they have play-off experience now and they are definitely a more dangerous team than they were in 2005, when they were Superbowel favourites...

Am I writing them off easily? No, I'm not, I'm respecting them enough to recognise that they can go toe to toe with all of the NFL's best except the Patriots. I have seen nothing in their game in the season that would lead me to believe they're unstoppable, though, unlike the Patriots. That's why the Pats are in a league of their own, but the Colts are not, they're in a league with the best.

Syphon said:
Well I'm looking forward to this weekends match-up of the Giants vs The Bucs. Despite they're very true attempt at the overthrow of the Pat's streak, I believe 100% the buccaneers are gonna make out with this one.

The Bucs are...going to make out with the Giants...uhm...

Syphon said:
1. Eli Manning is a very hot or cold quarterback. He's either in rhythm and making plays or he's throwing incompletes or interceptions. He's still maturing and going against a team thats ranked overall second in defense and ranked number one against pass yards. Manning is going to get shut down. But that doesn't conclude the Giants offense.

Am I going to have to run my "Manning is a mediocre QB who manages to lose with stacks of pro bowl talent around him" speech again?

Be surprised at how bad he manages to play with one of the league's best running games, a pro bowl receiver and a pro bowl tight end. He's at least as bad as Rex Grossman, and even his 1st overall pick won't save him after another post-season embarrassment.

Syphon said:
2. The Giants are ranked 4th in rushing yards, against Buc's 7th ranking run defense(I believe). I believe Jacobs is gonna have a good day.

I don't think Jacobs will last the full game.
 
Oh for sure, if Eli shits out halfway in, Jacobs will be carrying the offense. Anyother opinions on who will win this week Tampa vs NYG?
 
Yeah, um, my wife's favorite team is the Bears. She's a native. And even to her I gotta remind her that Grossman does suck. Maybe next draft theyll pick somebody up and trade him off.
 
The sad thing is, if Eli has a shit game and they lose bad, Coughlin will be the one that gets fired.

Anyway, picks for MVP and coach of the year?

I'd have to go Brady for MVP - 4,000+yards, 50+TDs, 10 INTs, 16-0. In a cold weather city those are sick nos.

Coach of the Year - Belichek did the most, but he also has the most to work with. I'd go for an overacheiver like Del Rio, Jauron, or Jeff Fisher.
 
Cimmerian Nights said:
The sad thing is, if Eli has a shit game and they lose bad, Coughlin will be the one that gets fired.

I suspect that when that happens, both Coughlin and Eli are out.

Cimmerian Nights said:
Anyway, picks for MVP and coach of the year?

I'd have to go Brady for MVP - 4,000+yards, 50+TDs, 10 INTs, 16-0. In a cold weather city those are sick nos.

Coach of the Year - Belichek did the most, but he also has the most to work with. I'd go for an overacheiver like Del Rio, Jauron, or Jeff Fisher.

MVP is Brady, easy, though I suppose Moss has secretly had more impact on the team, but there's not a single player that important to the greatness of their team. Also, those are sick nos in any city, not just a cold weather city.

Belichick will never get it, people hate him too much. Besides, it's usually people who do surprising things with their team that get it, so perhaps Del Rio and his brilliant Garrard-for-Byron switch might get it, or Gruden for the Bucs. I have no particular favourite.
 
Brother None said:
I suppose Moss has secretly had more impact on the team.
The case could be made - Moss had 23 TDs this year. Brady had only 24 TD all last year without Moss.

Belichick will never get it, people hate him too much.
He's glad they do, it only justifies his paranoia/persecution complex for him.

Uh oh.
 
Brother None said:
Didn't see that one coming, but I'm glad of it.

well, certainly saw the likelihood of it. the 16-0 angle is one of the biggest stories the NFL has had in quite awhile...they'll milk it for quite some time, i believe (the press, that is).

only reason i didn't want to see him win it, was to see McCarthy up there, for the reasons i listed in my post above. (partial bias, of course)
 
Call him what you will. He's not out to make friends, or do cute interviews, or mug for cameras. He'll tell you, he gets paid to win games. He just won more games than any other in the regular season.

Anyway, this wildcard weekend looks pretty predictable. The Giants are the only upset I can see.
 
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