Opinions on Fallout 4?

Walpknut said:
Battlecross said:
Not as much in the main game but Lonesome Road is essentially a whole DLC that can only exist due to amnesia and not just from the Courier.
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You can't read your own posts, confirmed....
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That is what I said, it's my opinion that it seems to be the only reason. Try again guy. I never said "They say you have amnesia" I'm explaining the discrepancy from my perspective.

Easy to understand.
 
And your opinion makes no sense, is disproven by many many lines of dialogue in the game and is based on a poor understanding of the setting and the story of the game.... So uhmm, try again kid.
 
Walpknut said:
And your opinion makes no sense, is disproven by many many lines of dialogue in the game and is based on a poor understanding of the setting and the story of the game.... So uhmm, try again kid.
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Sorry child, you can't read and you clearly have some sort of mental block that prevents you from any criticism of NV despite it being presented to you. You might need help son. I have the evidence, you don't. Try again, Y/N?
 
Wel considering how I actually criticize Lonesome Road for other things (namely linearity and Ulysses being kind of a disappointing character) I think your entire premise and your cop out of an argument there are all pretty faulty there, I even rank Lonesome Road as the weakest DLC below Honest Hearts. That I am tellign you how you obviously paid no attention to the game is not a bias, sorry to break it to you.
 
Walpknut said:
Wel considering how I actually criticize Lonesome Road for other things (namely linearity and Ulysses being kind of a disappointing character) I think your entire premise and your cop out of an argument there are all pretty faulty there, I even rank Lonesome Road as the weakest DLC below Honest Hearts. That I am tellign you how you obviously paid no attention to the game is not a bias, sorry to break it to you.
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Except that I did and I proved you wrong multiple times. Try again Y/N?
 
Where? You quoted Ulysses and proved yourself wrong and made a bunch of assertiosn that are just factually untrue. I think you are having kind of a disconnect with reality there bud.
 
Walpknut said:
Where? You quoted Ulysses and proved yourself wrong and made a bunch of assertiosn that are just factually untrue. I think you are having kind of a disconnect with reality there bud.
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I proved myself right and proved you wrong. I'm sorry you misunderstood my point about amnesia and while the Courier technically didn't found the Divide and you're right, he was a major player in it according to Ulysses and made it what it was.
 
Where di you prove yourself right exactly? Your argument was that the Divide and the catastrophe is never mentioned, which as I showed you is not true, and that the Courier would have to have amnesia to forget his "SUPER MAYOR ROLE!" which he didn't, the game explicitly says the Courier's actions where small but significant, the Courier wasn't even the only Courier going between the NCR and the Divide, he was just the first. Do you remeber the first person that brought you mail? Do you think he even cares about being the first one to bringa package to you?
 
Walpknut said:
Where di you prove yourself right exactly? Your argument was that the Divide and the catastrophe is never mentioned, which as I showed you is not true, and that the Courier would have to have amnesia to forget his "SUPER MAYOR ROLE!" which he didn't, the game explicitly says the Courier's actions where small but significant, the Courier wasn't even the only Courier going between the NCR and the Divide, he was just the first. Do you remeber the first person that brought you mail? Do you think he even cares about being the first one to bringa package to you?
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Please post the quotes where he is insignificant and then explain how that overrides the quotes where he not insignificant?
 
"Home isn't where you're born into this world. You taught me that. Part of your message, whether you meant it or not."
His implications about actions having consequences even if you have no intent

[In Response to the Dialogue option about the Courier work just being a Job for you]
"{trying to convince himself}{emph}...can't have been just a job. {Accusing}Was something more to you. Don't feel for a place that hard unless it's home."

"I've walked a lot of hard roads, Mojave and before. Doesn't mean anything."

Courier line of dialogue: "It was you walking that road that kept the Divide alive. It grew from what you did. Settlers... camps... filling that Old World city."


"Could've breathed new life into the Mojave, bridging East, West. Like Hoover Dam... but not Old World, something {emph}you made. Road was a supply line."


Courier "There is no other supply line to the Mojave beyond the Long 15."

"NCR saw the worth in that road you made. {Disgust}Staked a claim, whether it was wanted there or not - {just like it’s}true elsewhere in the Mojave."
"And where the Bear tries to cling to life, the Legion comes... bearing messages. Some brought by blade. Others... by Couriers."

Again this states that what you did (Stablish a road) was a minor action that had huge consequences, and the Courier can even say it was just a job, the Courier wasn't the only one doign Caravan runs or deliveries, the Mojave Express was sendign people there and Cass Alludes to her clearing the road during caravan runs to the Divide. The Courier wasn't the only one and he wasn't even the most influential one carrying and delivering things in there. There road to the Divide was a supply line the NCR was using actively and it's loss was what aided the Legion in being able to recover after the first battle of Hoover Dam.

And his favorite line (From the Old World Blues Holotape):

"People are like couriers, you and him. Sometimes don't even know the message they bring."

Which is again about actions having consequences or meanings that the person doing them aren't aware of.
 
Walpknut said:
"Home isn't where you're born into this world. You taught me that. Part of your message, whether you meant it or not."
His implications about actions having consequences even if you have no intent

[In Response to the Dialogue option about the Courier work just being a Job for you]
"{trying to convince himself}{emph}...can't have been just a job. {Accusing}Was something more to you. Don't feel for a place that hard unless it's home."

"I've walked a lot of hard roads, Mojave and before. Doesn't mean anything."

Courier line of dialogue: "It was you walking that road that kept the Divide alive. It grew from what you did. Settlers... camps... filling that Old World city."


"Could've breathed new life into the Mojave, bridging East, West. Like Hoover Dam... but not Old World, something {emph}you made. Road was a supply line."


Courier "There is no other supply line to the Mojave beyond the Long 15."

"NCR saw the worth in that road you made. {Disgust}Staked a claim, whether it was wanted there or not - {just like it’s}true elsewhere in the Mojave."
"And where the Bear tries to cling to life, the Legion comes... bearing messages. Some brought by blade. Others... by Couriers."

Again this states that what you did (Stablish a road) was a minor action that had huge consequences, and the Courier can even say it was just a job, the Courier wasn't the only one doign Caravan runs or deliveries, the Mojave Express was sendign people there and Cass Alludes to her clearing the road during caravan runs to the Divide. The Courier wasn't the only one and he wasn't even the most influential one carrying and delivering things in there. There road to the Divide was a supply line the NCR was using actively and it's loss was what aided the Legion in being able to recover after the first battle of Hoover Dam.

And his favorite line (From the Old World Blues Holotape):

"People are like couriers, you and him. Sometimes don't even know the message they bring."

Which is again about actions having consequences or meanings that the person doing them aren't aware of.
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Those quotes only back up what I've said.
 
No they don't, how they back up your assertion that the Courier played a major role and that the Divide was never mentioned by any other NPC? It even says that the Courier never thought about what he was doing beyond it being a Job, and Ulysses is mostly projecting his own attachment to the settlement onto you. You can even outright tell him that you are glad the Divide got destroyed. There would be no reason for the Courier to name drop the divide out of nowhere, no reason for the caravaneers to even give a shit about you beyond being a courir that delviered a Package for them once. No amnesia there, Ulysses is just symbol crazy and he blames you for bringing a package that caused a disaster no one outside the divide even knows the detail of.
 
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Speaking of Fallout 4. If it takes place 200 years in the future. How long will it be before the world actually gets on its feet again and close to the levels of pre war times?
 
Well, from what we see in the Trailers it seems like Boston is at least more developed than DC, which I say is a point in it's favor..... but we'll have to see how far that goes beyond the trailer.
 
Walpknut said:
Well, from what we see in the Trailers it seems like Boston is at least more developed than DC, which I say is a point in it's favor..... but we'll have to see how far that goes beyond the trailer.
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I meant my question as like a general thing. I know Boston is pretty developed but I'm like talking how long would it be before the world gets close to what it had in pre war times.
 
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