Planetary Resources

El Pagano Loco said:
TorontRayne said:
Debunking huh? Wow. Now this is getting interesting.

My initial comment was that Gold and Platinum COULD exist on the Moon. My point was ALWAYS that the POSSIBILITY existed, and could be pursued in the future. Never anything beyond that. Thanks for keeping me entertained. This is great.

Backpedaling really? If you read the post to begin with you would see that I mentioned that the articles were not entirely credible, but the notion has been considered quite a bit. Once again I never claimed damning proof either way.
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What notion? What possibility? Even the articles you provided yourself mentioned no notion or not even any shred of suggestion there might be gold or platinum there. For fuck's sake non of them even had the words "gold", "platinum" or any mention of anything like it in them. The fuck are you talking about?
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No but the one eom posted did. The ones I posted mentioned REE primarily. You said only Helium-3 and Water existed on the Moon and nothing else. You stated that nothing else of value could be found there. I just posted those to show you that many things could be there, but you simply won't accept it which is fine. You didn't respond to his post, so you may have missed it.


Edit: You seem to be stuck on the Gold thing. I did mention REE a few times. You may have missed that while I was editing. REE will be pretty valuable in the future I think. You may be trying to argue the "gold and platinum" point, when I am more trying to argue the "elements of value" point.
 
TorontRayne said:
No but the one eom posted did.
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The one eom posted also states that the general scientific consensus is that the Moon is devoid of such precious metals and in contrast to that presents some theory by a guy named Wingo who says there might be.


Edit: You seem to be stuck on the Gold thing.
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Could be because that's the thing i was arguing about since the begining.

The ones I posted mentioned REE primarily. I did mention REE a few times. You may have missed that while I was editing. REE will be pretty valuable in the future I think. You may be trying to argue the "gold and platinum" point, when I am more trying to argue the "elements of value" point.
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Rare earth oxide concentrations in known lunar ores do not support it, even at the level of conjecture, and our current understanding of lunar geology does not predict the existence of substantially more enriched ore deposits.
 
Yet...

Mining the moon for rare earths may not be economically viable today, but building mines in the KREEP Terrane will almost certainly be one of humanity’s future steps as we reach for the outer solar system and for the stars.

Phosphorus is also mentioned as being in smaller quantities on Earth, but possibly present on the Moon. Besides the already mentioned Helium-3 and water which we seem to agree one.

When we have a couple more decades of research available I will be more inclined to speak in absolutes when referring to the materials on the Moon. The simple fact is that mining will occur on the Moon eventually even if it was devoid of Gold, Platinum, and various REE so it doesn't matter I guess. I suppose we are simply arguing on what they may find.
 
very well said.

When you think about it only very few resources are really needed after all. Take other cultures or the pas as example. People managed to survive on their own as well. Without many of the things we have today. It was not easy and I guess going back isn't possible for many of us. But when it comes to humanity. I think it can survive without Oil.

Water which you can drink on the other hand ...
 
zegh8578 said:
we dont need oil. oil is good business. some day it will end, and something else will be good business.
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We do. Much of our mass manufacturing and mechanized agriculture is heavily dependent on and geared towards the use of oil, especially petrochemicals.

The rest of your post is nonsense.
 
Crni Vuk said:
very well said.

When you think about it only very few resources are really needed after all. Take other cultures or the pas as example. People managed to survive on their own as well. Without many of the things we have today. It was not easy and I guess going back isn't possible for many of us. But when it comes to humanity. I think it can survive without Oil.

Water which you can drink on the other hand ...
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Unfortunately, our global capitalist economy requires more than survival, and more people want the same.
 
Paeng, you are making the short-sighted assumption that "the now" is a universal constant.
Not good enough.
 
zegh8578 said:
Paeng, you are making the short-sighted assumption that "the now" is a universal constant.
Not good enough.
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He isn't. What you said is that we don't need oil. Do not, as far as I'm aware, refers to the present tense. I'm not sure I know anyone who's ready to go back to being a primitive tribal for some noble goal. Do you?

We might not need oil in the future, but now?
 
The military machine would grind to a halt pretty quick if oil was abandoned. While I agree we should slowly move to better alternatives, it ain't gonna happen anytime soon folks, so yes we do need oil atm.
 
"Need" is relative. I hate explaining myself, when what I say is self evident, and arguing with it serves no other purpose than to nitpick...

We need oil to maintain the current situation.
We don't need oil to survive, as individuals or as a species.

Dissecting it further: Humans do not need oil to maintain an existence on this planet.

I'm sensing I'm gonna have to further dissect it: When I say "maintain the current situation" you read correctly, so I'm just repeating it. Survival can be relative also. Fossil fuel is limited. Not in any kind of nearby future, but in a relative sense, it will eventually run out. We cannot keep up with geological processes. Alternatives aren't just a utopia, but will eventually become the only solution.

Final example:
Past: no oil = survival
Present: oil = survival
Future: no oil = survival

Feel free to demand even further dissections of this very, very simple premise.
 
zegh8578 said:
"Need" is relative. I hate explaining myself, when what I say is self evident, and arguing with it serves no other purpose than to nitpick...

We need oil to maintain the current situation.
We don't need oil to survive, as individuals or as a species.

Dissecting it further: Humans do not need oil to maintain an existence on this planet.

I'm sensing I'm gonna have to further dissect it: When I say "maintain the current situation" you read correctly, so I'm just repeating it. Survival can be relative also. Fossil fuel is limited. Not in any kind of nearby future, but in a relative sense, it will eventually run out. We cannot keep up with geological processes. Alternatives aren't just a utopia, but will eventually become the only solution.

Final example:
Past: no oil = survival
Present: oil = survival
Future: no oil = survival

Feel free to demand even further dissections of this very, very simple premise.
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I'm not sure I grasp this concept yet. Please elaborate further.
 
TorontRayne said:
I'm not sure I grasp this concept yet. Please elaborate further.
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If I had tons of forum standing, I would nonchalantly demand the topic be locked :(
 
zegh8578 said:
Dissecting it further: Humans do not need oil to maintain an existence on this planet.
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Like TorontRayne, I don't understand what you're trying to say. Yeah, thank you for pointing out, we don't need oil to survive. That was a bit... obvious?

By your logic, people shouldn't make progress because they can survive without the cutting edge technology. Because we can't just, you know, magically skip one tier. Most scientific breakthroughs were based on an existing foundation of knowledge.
 
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