Power Armour changes.

[Someguy37]

I think you lack the ability to tell if someone is being diplomatic due to professionalism. I also wonder if you actually watched the interview you are so fond of quoting.

Just to be clear. I think he did like it in some ways (most of us do like some parts) but you can clearly tell he wanted to say more but couldn't.

I have, and it was totally obvious he was entirely genuine in his response.

The idea that he couldn't say more when, at the time, he wasn't working for Bethesda, Obsidian, or anyone related to them, and had no plans at the time to leave his job, and was thus totally able to say anything he wanted with zero consequence, is literally a fantasy. Game devs shit talk each other all the time, if Tim really hated it, he veyr easily could have said so with no negative result coming from it.

Its this sort of conspiracy mongering that makes NMA so infamous.

 

[TorontoReign]

I think you lack the ability to tell if someone is being diplomatic due to professionalism. I also wonder if you actually watched the interview you are so fond of quoting.

Just to be clear. I think he did like it in some ways (most of us do like some parts) but you can clearly tell he wanted to say more but couldn't.

I have, and it was totally obvious he was entirely genuine in his response.

The idea that he couldn't say more when, at the time, he wasn't working for Bethesda, Obsidian, or anyone related to them, and had no plans at the time to leave his job, and was thus totally able to say anything he wanted with zero consequence, is literally a fantasy. Game devs shit talk each other all the time, if Tim really hated it, he veyr easily could have said so with no negative result coming from it.

Its this sort of conspiracy mongering that makes NMA so infamous.

You can clearly tell he could have said more but held his tongue for whatever reason. You can't tell me he didn't WANT to say more. I have no doubt he could have spoken at length about the topic but it would have been uncalled for. Game developers can talk shit to each other but you don't want to make enemies in an industry like that. You don't get ahead in the industry by pissing off people for no good reason.

I didn't say he hated it either. I am saying he might have mentioned how simplified the RPG mechanics were if he didn't want to anger a million fanboys. I don't think it is some conspiracy either. It's common sense.

Beyond that Tim Cain is not the GOD of Fallout. The series has evolved past his original ideas. It doesn't matter what he likes or does not like. He can call Fallout 3 the best Fallout game ever created and I will still say he is full of shit.

NMA is infamous because fanboys don't like being told that their favorite game is so shallow a 7 year old can beat it with no problems.

 

[Ilosar]

Tim Cain isn't going to start bashing Bethesda in public. Video game developpers are often quite well behaved towards each other I found moreso than in many entertainment industries where passive-aggressive shit-slinging is more common. Even those who fans are in a bitter rivalry (say Bioware's vs. CD Projekt's) are usually polite towards each other.

That said, it doesn't mean I think Tim Cain, deep down, actually hates the game and has a dartboard with Todd Howard's face on it. I mean, we're not in his head so there's no real way to know exactly how he feels. But there's really no stretch in believing he liked FO3 overall. Developpers can sometimes be less... enthusiastic than fans.

And anyway, it doesn't change much. Tim Cain's opinions are his own. I will form my own thoughts regardless of what he says, and I still won't think FO3 and FO4 are great games even if he comes out and says he worships the ground Bethesda walks on and grovels at their feet praising their genius.

 

[Khannis]

Tim Cain isn't going to start bashing Bethesda in public. Video game developpers are often quite well behaved towards each other I found moreso than in many entertainment industries where passive-aggressive shit-slinging is more common. Even those who fans are in a bitter rivalry (say Bioware's vs. CD Projekt's) are usually polite towards each other.

That said, it doesn't mean I think Tim Cain, deep down, actually hates the game and has a dartboard with Todd Howard's face on it. I mean, we're not in his head so there's no real way to know exactly how he feels. But there's really no stretch in believing he liked FO3 overall. Developpers can sometimes be less... enthusiastic than fans.

And anyway, it doesn't change much. Tim Cain's opinions are his own. I will form my own thoughts regardless of what he says, and I still won't think FO3 and FO4 are great games even if he comes out and says he worships the ground Bethesda walks on and grovels at their feet praising their genius.

Good sir, your feeble attempts at disguising this conspiracy with reasonable arguments and personal opinions are preposterous! Good Godd, the nerve of these people!

 

[Monco]

I think you lack the ability to tell if someone is being diplomatic due to professionalism. I also wonder if you actually watched the interview you are so fond of quoting.

Just to be clear. I think he did like it in some ways (most of us do like some parts) but you can clearly tell he wanted to say more but couldn't.

I have, and it was totally obvious he was entirely genuine in his response.

The idea that he couldn't say more when, at the time, he wasn't working for Bethesda, Obsidian, or anyone related to them, and had no plans at the time to leave his job, and was thus totally able to say anything he wanted with zero consequence, is literally a fantasy. Game devs shit talk each other all the time, if Tim really hated it, he veyr easily could have said so with no negative result coming from it.

Its this sort of conspiracy mongering that makes NMA so infamous.

Nobody implied or suggested that there was a conspiracy going on. Also outside of indie gaming (where most are self employed anyways), shit-slinging really isn't that common in the gaming industry. Even most of the shit-slinging in indie gaming has generally centered around a few people *cough* Phil Fish *cough*

 

[GeorgieBest]

I think you lack the ability to tell if someone is being diplomatic due to professionalism. I also wonder if you actually watched the interview you are so fond of quoting.

Just to be clear. I think he did like it in some ways (most of us do like some parts) but you can clearly tell he wanted to say more but couldn't.

I have, and it was totally obvious he was entirely genuine in his response.

The idea that he couldn't say more when, at the time, he wasn't working for Bethesda, Obsidian, or anyone related to them, and had no plans at the time to leave his job, and was thus totally able to say anything he wanted with zero consequence, is literally a fantasy. Game devs shit talk each other all the time, if Tim really hated it, he veyr easily could have said so with no negative result coming from it.

Its this sort of conspiracy mongering that makes NMA so infamous.

Nobody implied or suggested that there was a conspiracy going on. Also outside of indie gaming (where most are self employed anyways), shit-slinging really isn't that common in the gaming industry. Even most of the shit-slinging in indie gaming has generally centered around a few people *cough* Phil Fish *cough*

Shit slinging is not common in any professional industry (its an industry you foo! they know each other, they share market space, you dont just burn bridges like your badass), but of course you gotta be a professional to figure that one out. A troglodyte would definitely struggle at the concept

Also again with the shit-posting for the website you willingly joined..i find your lack of decorum...disappointing

Ps. And cause i have the time..let me just break down what he's doing Obviously, he's antagonizing a whole group of varied people from all over the world with all kinds of ideas, bunching them up together and then presenting his "truth" on them, casting them all as "outsiders", alienating them and thus marginalizing their importance and most importantly the importance of their argument. This is, of course, clear, cut demagoguery and an appeal to a perceived majority (that may or may not be true) that has already decided what is true outside the bounds of the conversation. There is no rationale behind it, there are no arguments, it is only meant to deride, dehumanize, simplify and marginalize all opposing views by presenting them as one, "dysfunctional", identity. Its the kind of shit churches used to do (only instead of the "Internet" they appealed to "God") It is not even intended for the people its presented against..its just there to provide a picture for everyone else who might stumble here

 

[Hassknecht]

The game doesn't state that T-60 is better via text, but in-game stats show that it indeed is.

According to Fallout: Shelter, the T-60A was the most advanced pre-war PA. So they have said it was the most advanced.

http://fallout.gamepedia.com/Fallout_Shelter_outfits#Power_armor
T-45A: Before there even was power armor, there was this suit.
T-45D: Deployed pre-War against Chinese tanks. That's right – tanks.
T-45F: Lovingly maintained. Favored by neo knights and paladins.

T-51A: An enhanced prototype that saw limited use pre-War.
T-51D: One of the most advanced armors created before the Great War.
T-51F: Armor worthy of a Brotherhood of Steel Star Paladin. And you.

T-60A: The pinnacle of powered pre-War protection.
T-60D: Renowned protection, favored by the Brotherhood of Steel.
T-60F: Specially enhanced and vastly superior to most other armors.

X-01 MKI: They guys who protected the President wore this. It's THAT good.
X-01 MKIV: Advanced post-war power armor, for a post-apocalyptic world.
X-01 MKVI: The most advanced protection created by human hands. Enjoy.

The loading screens in Fallout 4 however state that T-51 was the pinnacle of pre-war PA.

 

[Jubal Quintus]

The loading screens in Fallout 4 however state that T-51 was the pinnacle of pre-war PA.

Well, isn't this a pickle? Now we have to decide which game is more canon, Fallout Shelter or Fallout 4.

 

[Hassknecht]

The loading screens in Fallout 4 however state that T-51 was the pinnacle of pre-war PA.

Well, isn't this a pickle? Now we have to decide which game is more canon, Fallout Shelter or Fallout 4.

My position is this: They wanted a new "signature armour" for the game cover, and it had to be better than the T-51 while also looking like their "original" design, the T-45. But it also had to be in the prologue scenes as they were heavily featured in the pre-release footage, so it couldn't just be a BoS-improvement of the T-45 (which would have made a lot of sense).
But there was probably a lack of communication, so the loading screen featuring the T-51 was overlooked.

 

[Spacemunkey]

The loading screens in Fallout 4 however state that T-51 was the pinnacle of pre-war PA.

Well, isn't this a pickle? Now we have to decide which game is more canon, Fallout Shelter or Fallout 4.

My position is this: They wanted a new "signature armour" for the game cover, and it had to be better than the T-51 while also looking like their "original" design, the T-45. But it also had to be in the prologue scenes as they were heavily featured in the pre-release footage, so it couldn't just be a BoS-improvement of the T-45 (which would have made a lot of sense).
But there was probably a lack of communication, so the loading screen featuring the T-51 was overlooked.

Not the first for that, in Skyrim the loading screen still say that Bretons have 50% resistance to magic when in reality it was nerfed to 25.

 

[GeorgieBest]

Much like Todd Howard telling you his game is good, when in reality it is not

 

[Hassknecht]

Much like Todd Howard telling you his game is good, when in reality it is not

I have to ask: Are you Miley Cyrus?

 

[Irwin John Finster]

Much like Todd Howard telling you his game is good, when in reality it is not

"You know how other companies make their games sh****? We tried not doing that" - isn't this what Todd Howard said in the lead-up to release?

I am pretty sure they didn't even try not to make a bad game.

 

[Stanislao Moulinsky]

You may not like the extent they have done some of those things, but all of those things are still in the game.

Nice fallacious argument. The point is exactly that, that most of those points are present in minimal or extremely superficial ways. If the mere presence of those elements is enough to label FO4 as faithful of the original vision statement then inFamous 2 is a Fallout game as well.

 

[Crni Vuk]

Than I honestly don't know how you can argue in favour of Fallout 3 and 4.

So you don't understand how I can argue in favor of of games the devs have said they enjoyed, ound fitting to the Fallout universe, and have even complimented on their use of SPECIAL and skills?

I mean, besides Tim Cain saying he wouldn't have had FEV on the east coast, seeing it as a stretch, its basically been nothing but positives from them.

I find it pretty easy to say something fits in the series when many of the people who made the series say it does.

I thought I explained that part. Is it that strange that someone could have simply fun with something, while still eventually disagreeing with the direction, or not following the idea? People are most of the time very ambivalent creatures.

Just because Jamie Oliver or Gordon Ramsay admits to eat sometimes at Mc Donalds doesn't have to mean they would consider to work for them, or to suddenly change their whole menue to fast food, or they believe Mc Donalds is the top cuisine every master chef has to look up to. Even if they told you that the Big Mac was their favourite from all the Burgers Mc Donalds offers, no one would ever get the serious idea Mc Donalds to be their inspiration.

To repeat my self, I will not argue about Tim's intentions or what ever if he really likes Fallout 3 (and maybe Fallout 4) or not, as it would be just sepculation. It is absolutely possible that he likes what Bethesda did. But it could be possible that he was simply diplomatic. If you look at the Diablo 2 developer Breivik and his statements about Diablo 3, that's not much of a surprise. Simply to avoid any serious complications. But to argue about that is in my opinion useless, because honestly, I doubt anyone here is close enough to Tim to know his real thoughts. So I will give you that one.

I will instead concentrate on his works instead. And I am curious what you think about those. You can not denny that Bethesdas approach is VERY different to Tim's. And no matter how much he seems to like Beths approach, none of his games ever used any Beth ideas. None. And as Toront said already, who gives a flying fuck if Tim would come out tomorrow saying that Fallout 3 is a true Sequel and better than Fallout 1? Indiana Jones 4 was utter garbage and it was made by Steven Spielberg and George Lukas, of which both worked on the previous movies.

Again, the history of Fallout 1 is there, for everyone to read. And it's pretty clear what Fallout 1 was about. Fallout 4 is about giving the player better Plasma rifles.

 

[GeorgieBest]

Much like Todd Howard telling you his game is good, when in reality it is not

"You know how other companies make their games sh****? We tried not doing that" - isn't this what Todd Howard said in the lead-up to release?

I am pretty sure they didn't even try not to make a bad game.

Bingo! Yup he did. You know, when i heard him say that it really rubbed me the wrong way...how much of a juvenile, narcissistic prick do you have to be to come on stage and open up with that

First of all Toddy, if you're gonna name and shame...well you gotta name what kind of blanket-shit statement was that:p

Also for Vuk above i have it on good authority that Tim hates it;p Oh and Gordon woudn't be caught in a MacDonalds even if his life depended on it

 

[GeorgieBest]

Much like Todd Howard telling you his game is good, when in reality it is not

I have to ask: Are you Miley Cyrus?

How cool would it be if i said yes?

 

[Askorti]

Much like Todd Howard telling you his game is good, when in reality it is not

I have to ask: Are you Miley Cyrus?

How cool would it be if i said yes?

No idea, but I sure as hell would hide all my hammers from you.

 

[Jubal Quintus]

My position is this: They wanted a new "signature armour" for the game cover, and it had to be better than the T-51 while also looking like their "original" design, the T-45. But it also had to be in the prologue scenes as they were heavily featured in the pre-release footage, so it couldn't just be a BoS-improvement of the T-45 (which would have made a lot of sense).
But there was probably a lack of communication, so the loading screen featuring the T-51 was overlooked.

I feel that we can say, to a certainty, that this is exactly how it happened. I firmly believe that each and every game by Beth will feature "newer and better" things with little to no regard for lore.

 

[GeorgieBest]

Much like Todd Howard telling you his game is good, when in reality it is not

I have to ask: Are you Miley Cyrus?

How cool would it be if i said yes?

No idea, but I sure as hell would hide all my hammers from you.

Guys/Girls sorry i'm really out of the loop on this one..i had to google search the name..and i have to say i didn't like what i saw

Ps. Argh..I looked into the hammer thing....that is not nice:p