PSM3 Fallout 3 hands-on preview
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Holy shit. A year and a half after making my one and only post, I finally figured out my U/N and password.
What can I say about this... As I said on BG forums, my preorder was a leap of faith(that and a great packaging on the soundtrack cd). Faith is running very thin.
And while I can understand a lot of changes, things like "Three Dawg, straight up G" and orc mutants tick me off.
BTW, can anyone fetch Hanukin's dialog from FO2 when he talks about Enclave flying in to Arroyo? I'm wondering if he says anything about them shooting from the vertibirds
What can I say about this... As I said on BG forums, my preorder was a leap of faith(that and a great packaging on the soundtrack cd). Faith is running very thin.
And while I can understand a lot of changes, things like "Three Dawg, straight up G" and orc mutants tick me off.
BTW, can anyone fetch Hanukin's dialog from FO2 when he talks about Enclave flying in to Arroyo? I'm wondering if he says anything about them shooting from the vertibirds
Hey alright I joined the forums just to post in this topic. First off, like most people here Fallout 2 is really my all time favorite game, I would rank Xenogears above it in terms of uh, favorisity? But all in all I don't think I've plugged more hours into a single player game than I have Fallout 2. So many fond memories.
I guess I am nearly alone on this forum because I am one of the select few that really liked Oblivion. I played it almost nonstop for a good week before I finished it, completely circumventing the main quests to do all of the assassin and thief guild related quests. The gameplay never got boring to me, while it doesn't have the replayability that Fallout 2 has (Oh man the first time I discovered Skynet was in the game (The only party member I never had previously) I immediately made a new character just to put some in that science skill.
But now I'm rambling, I guess my point is, Oblivion was a rock-solid game and Bethesda is one of the most consistently overly positive reviewed developers out there, and Fallout 2 is one of my favorite games ever made so Fallout 3 is nothing but the single gaming event I am looking forward to this year. (Since Age of Conan was well, complete shit and blue shells are freaking gay in Mario Kart)
But for all you naysayers, I just have to say it is waaaay to early to judge a game. And just because you don't like certain elements that a developer is putting in doesn't mean you have to call it bargain bin material or complete crap. That is just jumping to an entirely irrational decision just to keep your own pride and seem cool because you don't conform to modern gaming changes. Obviously this isn't going to be a trash game, obviously it is going to be hugely successful simply because it has the name Bethesda attached to it and has had a strong cult following for the prequels, which are probably the most underrated games of all time. Robot horse? Who the hell cares? If a freaking robot horse is a game ruiner for you than that means you are straight up looking for a reason to hate a game.
I can't defend Fallout 3 yet, I have not put my hands on it for a full playthough. But for that exact same reason I don't think you can slam it, because all that makes you seem is a lil arrogant and probably an interwebz douchebag.
This is a massive wall o text and more than I was aiming to write, so a "too long didn't read" might be completely deserving, but all I can say is that the article has gotten me so pumped for Fallout 3 that I cannot wait for the day my Pip Boy alarm clock arrives at my door.
I guess I am nearly alone on this forum because I am one of the select few that really liked Oblivion. I played it almost nonstop for a good week before I finished it, completely circumventing the main quests to do all of the assassin and thief guild related quests. The gameplay never got boring to me, while it doesn't have the replayability that Fallout 2 has (Oh man the first time I discovered Skynet was in the game (The only party member I never had previously) I immediately made a new character just to put some in that science skill.
But now I'm rambling, I guess my point is, Oblivion was a rock-solid game and Bethesda is one of the most consistently overly positive reviewed developers out there, and Fallout 2 is one of my favorite games ever made so Fallout 3 is nothing but the single gaming event I am looking forward to this year. (Since Age of Conan was well, complete shit and blue shells are freaking gay in Mario Kart)
But for all you naysayers, I just have to say it is waaaay to early to judge a game. And just because you don't like certain elements that a developer is putting in doesn't mean you have to call it bargain bin material or complete crap. That is just jumping to an entirely irrational decision just to keep your own pride and seem cool because you don't conform to modern gaming changes. Obviously this isn't going to be a trash game, obviously it is going to be hugely successful simply because it has the name Bethesda attached to it and has had a strong cult following for the prequels, which are probably the most underrated games of all time. Robot horse? Who the hell cares? If a freaking robot horse is a game ruiner for you than that means you are straight up looking for a reason to hate a game.
I can't defend Fallout 3 yet, I have not put my hands on it for a full playthough. But for that exact same reason I don't think you can slam it, because all that makes you seem is a lil arrogant and probably an interwebz douchebag.
This is a massive wall o text and more than I was aiming to write, so a "too long didn't read" might be completely deserving, but all I can say is that the article has gotten me so pumped for Fallout 3 that I cannot wait for the day my Pip Boy alarm clock arrives at my door.
Bainge said:
The game is few months away from being released, so it's not "waaaay too early" to judge it
beverageleverage
It Wandered In From the Wastes
I am past caring about this game but I cant help but check up on it. All I do is laugh when I read new information like 5 action points = 5 aimed shots. Unfortunately I don't see Fallout 3 being so awful that it is entertaining. It will likely be a dull mess. They needed to make another fallout or make some spinoff fps, not try to make another deus ex invisible war. Fallout 3 will not be oblivion with guns it will be invisible war with toilet water and three dawg in place of black market biomods and NG Resonance.
So, Bainge... your arguments can be summed up thusly:Bainge said:
1) Bethesda's previous game, Oblivion, got lots of positive reviews. Therefore, Fallout 3 will be a great game.
2) Bethesda has lots of fan-boys. Therefore, Fallout 3 will be a great game.
3) If a robot horse was jumping around in, say, one of the LotR movies, who cares? Anyone complaining about that is just looking for a reason to hate the movie, and the same can be applied to a robot horse in FO3.
4) Let's go over the tired old "you can't make judgments about the game because it's not released and it's too early, yadda yadda, nevermind the info, screen shots, and previews that have been released" argument.
So... yeah. I think you invalidated your own arguments pretty effectively all by yourself.
Wow.
This game actually sounds dumber than I thought it was going to be.
* I edited out my response to Bainge.
His post contradicts itself. You don't need me to point out the errors.
But, to sum up.....Bainge, why is it too early for our negativity, but not too early for your optimism?
This game actually sounds dumber than I thought it was going to be.
* I edited out my response to Bainge.
His post contradicts itself. You don't need me to point out the errors.
But, to sum up.....Bainge, why is it too early for our negativity, but not too early for your optimism?
God is Dog backwards
Mildly Dipped
It all looks a little shit, doesn't it. I've tried to keep an open mind, and even defended Bethsoft in the past for the time when we get more information.
Well, this is pretty much it for me. As a fan of Fallout, this game doesn't appeal to me. As a fan of the PA setting, there's a modicum of appeal but it's cancelled out by the knowledge that this is supposed to be the sequel to my favourite games of all time.
A few bits that made me angry as I read them:
K Dawg or whatever the fuck he is.
By all accounts, a more or less complete focus on combat beyond all else - and combat that isn't up to the standard of the vanilla FPS and has a weak excuse for a TB mechanic at that.
Robot fucking horse. Probably just the fantasy of the previewer, but it pretty much sums up the direction the game has gone in.
Fatman. May as well call it the Phatman for the sake of continuity.
It's the first point that gets me the most. What we're getting is an action RPG. What Fallout is the complete opposite of is an action RPG.
I really wish there was something I could do about this. But I can't. Fuck.
Well, this is pretty much it for me. As a fan of Fallout, this game doesn't appeal to me. As a fan of the PA setting, there's a modicum of appeal but it's cancelled out by the knowledge that this is supposed to be the sequel to my favourite games of all time.
A few bits that made me angry as I read them:
K Dawg or whatever the fuck he is.
By all accounts, a more or less complete focus on combat beyond all else - and combat that isn't up to the standard of the vanilla FPS and has a weak excuse for a TB mechanic at that.
Robot fucking horse. Probably just the fantasy of the previewer, but it pretty much sums up the direction the game has gone in.
Fatman. May as well call it the Phatman for the sake of continuity.
It's the first point that gets me the most. What we're getting is an action RPG. What Fallout is the complete opposite of is an action RPG.
I really wish there was something I could do about this. But I can't. Fuck.
Xenophile
It Wandered In From the Wastes
Mr. Teatime said:
You know.. this is the petty shit that gets on my nerves. I was just playing Fallout 2 again the other night running around with the Star Trek Phasor.
I have no problem with some wacky (unrealistic) weapons and easter eggs. They have already stated if I am not mistaken the the Fatman is an easter egg. Hell even if it isn't it fits with the "You can attach a nuke to anything!" mentality of the 1950's military.
The robot horse? Look the game engine clearly supports it. If one exists, I am sure it is in a special encounter or something. I think it is perfectly fair for them to throw some easter eggs in for THEIR fans too. So a robotic horse fits that nicely. I highly doubt you'll see robotic horse traders with 10 robot horses out back.
All I can say is lighten up a little.. not saying you need to like the game or anything in the game, but if you were half as critical of Fallout and Fallout 2.. you would have ripped it apart by now.
I mean I forgot how relatively poor the writing in Fallout1/2 was. The easter eggs in Fallout and Fallout 2 are WAY outside the "setting". That's fine.. and I hope Bethesda throws some silly/crazy special encounters of their own in. I am sure that almost anyone here spent a good part of their fallout game walking around with the Alien Blaster, vaporizing raiders and NOT complaining about "Aliens are in fallout.. I'm not going to enjoy it!".
I loved the games and still do, but I am actually pretty excited about moving to FP and getting rid of some of the tedium.
Jubal Quintus
Nacho Friend
Xenophile said:
Everything about Fo3 is for their fans. They have been indulging their fans with every aspect of the game design. It's not too much to ask that they take a damn pause for the shameless self-indulgence to pay some respect to the games they are feably attempting to sequelize.
It's my understanding that the Fatman is Fo3's BFG-9000, not this its Phasor.
As for the encounters, it sounds to me like you are talking more about Fo2 than Fallout. It's important to understand that people arent' "half as critical of Fallout" as they are of Fo3 because, and this is important so pay attention, Fallout established the precident. Fallout was the only game that was 100% bullet proof on setting, theme, tone, etc, because it ESTABLISHED it. Hopefully that fine point isn't lost in translation. I believe I'm not alone in thinking that Fo2's story, setting, and tone had some glaring flaws compared to Fallout and that it's been discussed to death. I guess you just weren't paying attention at that point.
Phil the Nuka-Cola Dude
Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!
As far as the robot horse goes, I took that snippet to be a "1950's view of the future" ad to reinforce the setting.
Wow, the more info revealed, the worse it seems to be.
Newsflash- Fallout 2 never happened. Enclave is still alive and kickin. They even have Vertibirds.
o i c. The cars with working engines are used as explosive barrels while we can ride on a robot horse? Well, I guess it's a neat idea, we don't want Oblivion fans to feel confuse, do we?
It seems they're sticking with the Fallout lore. Enclave broadcasting patriotic marching band music? Jolly good! It's not like they wanted to kill every-fucking-little thing on the mainland, right? Now Enclave wants to councer mutants with their patriotic music.
Oh, so I guess people who are Fallout fans but think that Oblivon is a crappy rpg can fuck off. Okay then.
You go Todd! Must've been pretty epic battle, eh mate? Fighting with a group of baddies that were supposedly destroyed in previous game with a nuclear catapult- seems like they truly grasped what Fallout is about.
Morbus
Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!
tis gmae sonds very kewl. ill get won plees
Xenophile
It Wandered In From the Wastes
Jubal Quintus said:
You can be a self rightous fucktard all you want. It doesn't change the fact that even Fallout had it's flaws and internal inconsistancies. It's ok.. it's still a great game, I loved it. That being said, you make my point exactly.
And fyi.. when I talked about the alien blaster, that was specificly in Fallout the first.
Glowing Ghouls
First time out of the vault
I suppose the real question (since we know the games going to suck) will be:
What will the gaming press do AFTER it is released.
1- continue to hype it to sell issues
2- feign suprise that its so bad and have articles discussing why the old FO community sites hate it.
What will the gaming press do AFTER it is released.
1- continue to hype it to sell issues
2- feign suprise that its so bad and have articles discussing why the old FO community sites hate it.
i seriously hope the robot horse is a joke to bring some flavor.
if not, well, how blatantly can you integrate "The Empty Scrolls: Oblivious" elements into a game that has nothing to do with it.
"lulz, doesn't take much work, so let's use it!"
if not, well, how blatantly can you integrate "The Empty Scrolls: Oblivious" elements into a game that has nothing to do with it.
"lulz, doesn't take much work, so let's use it!"
Re:
Well, that electric pony idea made shivers go down my spine... It sounds plausible they put it in - as someone mentioned they've got some horse animation within the engine and I think they're not afraid to use it
BTW - IF the pony is ingame and IF it runs on electricity, how the hell do you refuel this thingy?
shove fuel cells under it's tail?
Well, that electric pony idea made shivers go down my spine... It sounds plausible they put it in - as someone mentioned they've got some horse animation within the engine and I think they're not afraid to use it
BTW - IF the pony is ingame and IF it runs on electricity, how the hell do you refuel this thingy?
shove fuel cells under it's tail?
Glowing Ghouls
First time out of the vault
Re:
And if it malfunctions does it shoot lightning bolts out of its arse ?
Or is that just its attack ?
Prehaps you find it early on in the game, and it becomes the new Ian to shoot the player.
GammaRay said:Well, that electric pony idea made shivers go down my spine... It sounds plausible they put it in - as someone mentioned they've got some horse animation within the engine and I think they're not afraid to use it
BTW - IF the pony is ingame and IF it runs on electricity, how the hell do you refuel this thingy?
And if it malfunctions does it shoot lightning bolts out of its arse ?
Or is that just its attack ?
Prehaps you find it early on in the game, and it becomes the new Ian to shoot the player.