Rooting for the bad guy

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Dr Fallout said:
Ahem, that's only nazism. Last time I checked Mussolini's Italy and Franco's Spain weren't going around mass murdering jews and gays.
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I think you posted some article about the difference between fascism and the nazis.

However, I think we can all agree that a fascist regime, isn't in particular very friendly to minorities. But yeah, they are not all the same kind of regimes. Germanys fascism/national-socialism was somewhat special, when you compare it to Italy or even Vichy France.
 
Dr Fallout said:
Ahem, that's only nazism. Last time I checked Mussolini's Italy and Franco's Spain weren't going around mass murdering jews and gays.
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Fine, "ruined lives" then, deportation, as well as banning certain ways of life. Homosexuality in Franco's Spain was not permitted, and gays were imprisoned if found out.
I am strongly against imprisoning gay people for being gay. I am also not demanding gay people "not hit on me" or anything like that, I've lived my whole life in a country where gay people are free to hit on anybody, and I've been hit on only once, it was even rude at that, I waved him away, and continued drinking my beer.
:V

Actually, on another occasion a gay guy tried to get me and a friend in for a 3-some. We exploited him, drank HIS beers, and fucked off outta there. Poor dude :V
 
That's more like it! Don't mix up the respectable super nationalism of fascism with the cult-like and mass murdering nazis.
 
Crni Vuk said:
I think you posted some article about the difference between fascism and the nazis.

However, I think we can all agree that a fascist regime, isn't in particular very friendly to minorities. But yeah, they are not all the same kind of regimes. Germanys fascism/national-socialism was somewhat special, when you compare it to Italy or even Vichy France.
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I think I did... some time ago.

Yeah, they're shit, but they're USSR level of shit. Now Nazi Germany... that was bad.
Crni Vuk said:
Better then deportation and prison!

You're a bad guy that one can root for?
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Umm... fuck, where's the masturbate furiously button?
 
We really shouldn't start to turn this into a 'who was the worst dictator' discussion. They never end well.
 
I've not read Mien Kampf yet, but I'll probably end up rooting for the bad guy in that.
 
Ragemage said:
I don't know who identifies as the alt-left, but within the ranks there are a lot of sickles and hammers, a lot of signing messages with "Down with the Proletariat" and "Marxism is the only way to go", a lot of sympathy and apologism for commies - a lot of direct, outright identification AS commie - as in "yes, I am commie"
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I think there is a big difference between associating yourself with Marxism, and associating yourself with Nazism.

For starters, Nazism as an ideology was about performing a genocide to begin with. You can't find anything in old Adolf's ideology where he didn't support an outright genocide.

Karl Marx, you could easily argue had pure intentions, but his ideas were corrupted by dictators such as Stalin and Castro. The problems that was caused under communist regimes, was almost definitely not what Karl Marx wanted.

(Note: I do not at all think Communism would ever work, but I don't see a problem with being sympathetic towards Marx)
Ragemage said:
You use the example of Brietbart as a source of right-wing extremism
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Because it is a source of right-wing extremism.

I'm sorry, but look at these headlines
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Can you honestly argue that is anywhere near moderate rightism?

zegh8578 said:
GOOD TO KNOW, fascist.
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Ragemage said:
GOOD TO KNOW, Marxist.
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Guys, Could we keep this discussion civil please?
 
Going to be honest, I root for the bad guy half the time in fiction, because the protagonists are either so fucking idiotic, or annoying, that putting them out of their misery would be a benefit to the universe as a whole.
 
Getting back to the topic, Reapers of Mass Effect (the original game, not the sequels) are one of my favorite villains - or to be more precise, Sovereign is.



Saying that I root for them/him, is a bit of an overstatement though. In original game Reaper agenda is not well known, their reasons are not understood and everything about them reeks of forbidden, ancient power beyond humanity's comprehension. Sovereign was one of the best Lovecraftian entities featured in video games - and the best of all is that Reapers aren't a copycat of typical eldritch abomination. Neither in looks nor in their overall activities.
I have a weak spot for mysterious cosmic entities in fiction, and having one as a villain in an sci-fi RPG was awesome. I loved the fact that I was up against something that neither my character, anyone else in the game, or me as I a player, understood. It really created a sense of awe for the formidable foe that resonated well with me and made the whole cliche "save the kingdom/world/galaxy" questline a lot better than in many other games.

I also really love the fact that it basically took the whole Alliance fleet (or whatever the name of the organization) to take Sovereign down, even though the battle you fight on foot with Saren is a bit of a lackluster experience.

But then the sequels came out and they took a huge dump on the Reaper concept. Everything sequels did was pure shit with them. Harbinger's voice was cool, and that's about it.
 
ThatZenoGuy said:
Going to be honest, I root for the bad guy half the time in fiction, because the protagonists are either so fucking idiotic, or annoying, that putting them out of their misery would be a benefit to the universe as a whole.
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Finally, someone who understands me. My god the amount of fictions like crossovers, suck so much!

I mean, in majority, It is either a mary sue or god mode sue, who you just want to see and suffer a horrible long and painful death.

Or those fictions, where nothing changes except the main characters does the same things the protagonists but ends up with harem fame and money.

The idea of crossover is to shake things up, not follow the same plotline!

Eh, I honestly hoped that for example Naruto died because Madadara was too strong, but noooooo he just gains power on a whim and is a reincarnation of legendary ninja!

I hate those types the most.
 
CT Phipps said:
Eh, Mussolini turned over his Jews to Hitler to be killed.
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That goes under deportation, not mass murder.
Atomkilla said:
Nazi Germany was evil throughout, but USSR wasn't any better under Stalin. On the shit gradation they're both pretty much on a similar level.
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Every shit thing they did had a legitimate if cynical and cruel reason. Famines in Ukraine? Breaking the power of independent farmers and moving more food to the rest of the country at a terrible cost. Shit living conditions with a lack of basic goods? Rapidly industrializing the nation and pouring everyone into modernizing the countries, at the cost of goods. Purges? Hmmmm... army purges were stupid, and purges in generally lowered the efficiency of the nation but they were made to root out traitors (rarely) but more to consolidate control over the population.

The closest thing to the Holocaust was how Russia dealt with the Gypsies... mass deportation anyone?
 
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