Sn1p3r187
Carolinian Shaolin Monk
More like bring on laser turrets and laser satellite defense grids to shoot down nukes before they can even hit cities anywhere
Russia attacks Ukraine
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More like bring on laser turrets and laser satellite defense grids to shoot down nukes before they can even hit cities anywhere
Ronald Raygun wanted that in the 80's. Star Wars program. China allegedly took out an old satellite with a laser. If nukes exploded mid air over populated areas the fallout would still do people in. A huge dome made from used condoms would protect countries more I think.
It could be accurate. Just saying, Ukraine is good with propaganda too - understandably. But some stuff has been disproven already to be either fake or exagerated.
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TorontoReign
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I would count on those rapes being real though if they were using conscripts.
TheGM
The voice of reason
He'll say they were really Tupac Holograms wearing Ushankas. just more American Propergander.
Alphons
National Beholder
Sn1p3r187
Carolinian Shaolin Monk
That's why shooting them down when they reach orbit would be vital. But then again nuke blowing up in orbit or high atmosphere would just EMP a giant chunk of the worl
So you think my idea of a giant inflatable bouncy castle is a shit idea.? BTW do you have the same name on X Box live ? Your name rang a bell although thousands would have a sniper kind of name.
I don't even think it necessarily matters if it's a conscript or battle hardened veteran. I mean look at Tschechnya or Georgia. A lot of Russian special units have been known to comitt attrocities there too. Same with Afghanistan in the 1980s. The Russian/Soviet military in particular has a kind of history when it comes to attrocities.Not that other armies have the better people. But there is a different culture behind them. It's much more difficult to have war crimes happening when you eventually get exposed in the future and at home due to a more liberal society and free press reporting them.
The thing with a lot of anti-nuke measures is that they can be relatively easily disabled and/or distracted. In the end the enemy might just create a third strike capability which means even more nuclear weapons or they will send a lot of dummies, hardened warheads and so on. And as far as nuclear weapons goes even if like only 10% get trough it would still be terrible and probably enough to destroy everything.
Maybe dropping NOX gas would make the steel plant dwellers die laughing.
What is your favourite massacre ? The My Lai massacre was very natsy. Also Zionist massacres in Lebanon were natsy as always. Blackwater massacres in Iraq. Even British opening fire on a demonstration in Derry, Ireland was a smaller scale slaughter. The saying " All is fair in love and war " comes to mind. Peace
Sn1p3r187
Carolinian Shaolin Monk
Ah good point. Damn makes it almost seem hopeless. How about energy directed EMP weapons thatd detect a launch from any silo and shut down the targeting and guidance on a nuke before it can even do any real damage? Or what Mr. House did in FNV and send some form of kill codes to the nukes so they dont even detonate? Sorry just brainstorming right now
I don't know. I am hardly an expert here. But already creating an EMP is pretty difficult and there is not really one large and effective enough for now that it would really play much of a role in military applications. And critical systems can be shielded from it so they would still function. An EMP is really more a sort of of anti-infrastructure weapon that you drop at a large area and see civilian chaos if it would be be a weapon of mass destruction. Besides EMP weapons would still have the same issue as any other weapon where you need a platform to get the EMP "device" to detonate exactly where you want it, like a nuke. And those can be detected just like nukes. So instead of an EMP weapon just throw a nuke at the silos. That is if you actually know where they all are. Which we don't. Particularly mobile weapons like Submarines and land based launcher systems are very difficuilt to detect. Outright impossible.
Cracking nuclear codes and the like is pretty much out of the question as well. Those systems are made with redundancy in mind. They have their own grids and communication devices - see nuclear football. You can't hack something if it has no conection so to speak. So you can't just get the lunch codes or cancel those out. Not to mention that pretty much everything is encrypted here in a way where it would take 100 if not 1000 of years to decipher it. So the idea of dissabling nukes in the air? It's a hopeless endavour.
Cracking nuclear codes and the like is pretty much out of the question as well. Those systems are made with redundancy in mind. They have their own grids and communication devices - see nuclear football. You can't hack something if it has no conection so to speak. So you can't just get the lunch codes or cancel those out. Not to mention that pretty much everything is encrypted here in a way where it would take 100 if not 1000 of years to decipher it. So the idea of dissabling nukes in the air? It's a hopeless endavour.
What the fuck.
Morgan_
Duckerz
High profile jailings and officer/spy purges going on right now in Russia. How does it always manage to come to this with their system?
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TorontoReign
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The average GOOD soldier is more disciplined than the average drunk ass retarded Russian they pull off the street. The reason rape was so rampant in Nam was due to the draft. Yes rape happens in war but undisciplined assholes that don't belong in a uniform also do dirty shit because they are dirtbags looking for a way to hurt people. I estimate the average soldier gets a 20 to 30 percent buff against rape temptation while in combat assuming they roll correctly.
Well. I respectfully disagree sir. I do not believe that it matters much what ever if we're talking about well trained vets or conscripts. As I said. Historically attrocities have been comitted by all of them. And plenty. From early and modern conflicts.
What it comes down to actually are the supperior officers and the culture. Think about it. Do you know which nation comitted the least war crimes in WW2? The British. Because their officers believed in to a sort of "gentlemen" culture. Which means they often felt like they had to set examples. Well sometimes this would take absurd forms where they would get stupid ideas like officers don't take cover or something like that. And it also depended entirely on who they fought as well. Since they saw some people as savages. So they justified more brutality there too. Like in India.
Anyway. My point is that what really drives people crazy is frustration. Anger and fear against the enemy you can't really beat while being in a chaotic situation. And that was very true for a lot of people in Nam as well.
But what also happens to play a role is that the Russian military simply gives less of a fuck when civilians die. That's simply part of their culture. They don't even hold their own soldierrs in very high regards. Even less so enemy soldiers and the civilian population of other countries. That's just how they roll. Already since WW1.
What it comes down to actually are the supperior officers and the culture. Think about it. Do you know which nation comitted the least war crimes in WW2? The British. Because their officers believed in to a sort of "gentlemen" culture. Which means they often felt like they had to set examples. Well sometimes this would take absurd forms where they would get stupid ideas like officers don't take cover or something like that. And it also depended entirely on who they fought as well. Since they saw some people as savages. So they justified more brutality there too. Like in India.
Anyway. My point is that what really drives people crazy is frustration. Anger and fear against the enemy you can't really beat while being in a chaotic situation. And that was very true for a lot of people in Nam as well.
But what also happens to play a role is that the Russian military simply gives less of a fuck when civilians die. That's simply part of their culture. They don't even hold their own soldierrs in very high regards. Even less so enemy soldiers and the civilian population of other countries. That's just how they roll. Already since WW1.
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TorontoReign
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If a soldier rapes someone they are not disciplined and they are not a good soldier. WW1 and 2 took random dudes and tossed them into the grinder. Those were not highly trained soldiers in most cases. They were dudes that had a couple weeks of training then were shipped out to die.
My point is a good soldier would think twice before raping someone because the military is not that military anymore. This is not the military where you can shoot up in your tent and then go rape the local gook population. The Russian military does not strike me as being particularly disciplined or honorable so they are essentially being out classed in every single way.
*Shrugs* Tell that to the Russians not me. They apparantly don't really care (all too much). Like I said. The Russian military and before them the Red Army well saw things a bit differently. Like I said they have a much, how to describe it, less scruples when it comes to "civilian" cassualties and using propaganda to justify them. That's how their military has always opperated. Even to this day.
A rather modern view on military and conflicts - don't get me wrong not that I disagree with that view. But historically speaking? Pretty much 99% of all the wars actually was exactly about that. Plundering, murdering, raping, pillaging, torturing you name it. Pretty much every attrociiy one can imagine has been comitted here. And it is sadly even today rather the norm than the exception.
Doesn't matter if it's a concript, child, veteran, mercenary with little experience in conflicts or being a veteran of many. When you look at the large number of conflicts and what they all contained you will find that attrocities like in Ukraine are pretty comon. The fact that it doesn't happen so "regularly" with military forces in Europe and the US (luckily!) I think has more to do with the fact that we became a sort of culture that sees those things as absolutely horrifying and disgusting. Like as you say, no "honorable" army would do that. And that we have a lot more checks and ballances in place. Well most of it public oppinion. If no one "knows" about the crimes you don't see a lot of people being prosecuted either. But we are not above double Standards here either. But I am not going into that one now.
I mean for fucks sake just go back a few decades and you have the US carpet bombing the shit out of civilian locations as well and a lot of people accepted it as the "logic" of a war. But would americans today accept the kind of tactics as they have been deployed in Vietnam even bombing neutral nations like Cambodia to oblivion? I am not so sure. I think this kind of war strategy has become very unpopular in the United States. However if the people would feel directly threatened they might see it differently and justify it somehow. Because people would feel that defeating the enemy is just defending your self. It kinda changes things a lot when you actually feel attacked and like you're moraly on the "right" side. Even attrocities can be justified that way. To get back to Russia. Remember a lot of people there might actually believe that they are the good guys. Because that's easier to justify than to actuall admitt that you're in a conflict where you are the bad guy.
It always reminds me to a Quote from Göring.
>>Gilbert asked Goering how it was possible to build and sustain public support for a war effort, especially in Germany, which had barely recovered from the still recent disaster of World War I.<<
Here’s Goering’s reply:
“Why, of course, the people don’t want war,” Goering shrugged. “Why would some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best that he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece. Naturally, the common people don’t want war; neither in Russia nor in England nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood.
“But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship.”
“There is one difference,” [Gilbert] pointed out. “In a democracy the people have some say in the matter through their elected representatives, and in the United States only Congress can declare wars.”
“Oh, that is all well and good, [replied Goering] but, voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country.”
As I said. I do not think it has something to do with training or what it means to be a good soldier because that depends heavily on the definition of what a soldier is. And different cultures and nations have different ideas about this.
But throw people long enough in to extreme situations and they become kinda savage. This is particualrly true for veterans that have been in fights for quite some time. It's pretty intense what Eugene Sledge wrote about his experiencese as Marine during WW2 when they fought against Japan. There was very little if any empathy or honor for the enemy. Even for civilians. Something happens with people here where they become numb. Particularly when you see friends dying and torn to shreds. But I doubt I have to explain this to you anyway. I don't want to sound condescending here or something. I had relatives that fought in the Yugoslavian Civil war and I have spend a lot of time thinking how some people could actually comitt all those attrocities there. I mean they aren't all psychopaths or something.
But I guess this is simply how we are as human beings. It might be a part of our fucked up nature. We do not see the enemy as individuals anymore. It's just "them" versus "us". They killed my friend. They are shelling me. They are the "bad" guys. All of them. Even the civilians. Because they might turn on us. Or throw a grenade when we look away. Or yesterday some villager with a gun killed your mate. And now you burn down everything. Serves them right! They had it coming for a long time!
And then you have a situation where it's a constant back and forth between forces. This is the kind of thinking people often had during the Civil War in Yugoslavia.
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TorontoReign
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Yeah I don't wanna talk about rape that bad.
DarkCorp
So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs
I think not being an ethno state has a lot to do with cutting down on atrocities. Having an all volunteer military does too
In the west, we have a lot more immigration and as a result, a much bigger cultural melting pot. Combine that with free press and education, it's a lot harder for a government to control the narrative and say this or that culture or religion is evil. Not saying individuals don't try but it makes it a lot harder.
China for example is an ethno state. While folks of other ethnicities do live and work there, it isn't on the same level as it is in the west. Calling a black person a dark ghost or Hak Geai or a white man a white ghost is still perfectly normal. It's normal because there isn't anyone telling them it's unacceptable behavior. Hardly anyone has ever met, forget lived or worked with a black or white person. Now add in a military that values following orders and unquestioning loyalty as too priorities and you have a recipe for disaster.
And yes you had Mai Ley and others but that's also what happens when you force people who have no wish to be in the military to fight. Double down in lax discipline and you have a recipe for disaster, which essentially defines the Russian military.
In the west, we have a lot more immigration and as a result, a much bigger cultural melting pot. Combine that with free press and education, it's a lot harder for a government to control the narrative and say this or that culture or religion is evil. Not saying individuals don't try but it makes it a lot harder.
China for example is an ethno state. While folks of other ethnicities do live and work there, it isn't on the same level as it is in the west. Calling a black person a dark ghost or Hak Geai or a white man a white ghost is still perfectly normal. It's normal because there isn't anyone telling them it's unacceptable behavior. Hardly anyone has ever met, forget lived or worked with a black or white person. Now add in a military that values following orders and unquestioning loyalty as too priorities and you have a recipe for disaster.
And yes you had Mai Ley and others but that's also what happens when you force people who have no wish to be in the military to fight. Double down in lax discipline and you have a recipe for disaster, which essentially defines the Russian military.