Gizmojunk
Antediluvian as Feck
Kids used to sometimes go to elementary school with a rifle, to hunt with it on the way home... would I (or anyone) want that now? Of course not——not with today's kids.
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I am more talking about how people have been treated in general for conditions they have either no controll over or which was deemed as unaccaptable. Think about psychological dissorders or sexuality here. The way how some people have been treated was close to torture. From lobotomies, to schock therapy, putting people in jail and so on. Not to mention the marginalization and even lynching that took sometimes plcae.
Gizmojunk
Antediluvian as Feck
And you don't compare or equate this with treatment on modern social media?
It is (still) a majority outrage, and enacted backlash, and people are equally maimed both mentally, socially, and even physically by it; directly, indirectly, or self-inflicted.
It's just changed with the times. People still do as people do; have done. The weapons have changed... as has the volume of incidents.
It is (still) a majority outrage, and enacted backlash, and people are equally maimed both mentally, socially, and even physically by it; directly, indirectly, or self-inflicted.
It's just changed with the times. People still do as people do; have done. The weapons have changed... as has the volume of incidents.
Iprovidelittlepianos
Vault Senior Citizen
I personally think I’d prefer to be cancelled on social media than be lynched.
Gizmojunk
Antediluvian as Feck
One sometimes leads to the other.
Morgan_
Duckerz
Is that really evidence of social decline? Seems like this just shows that all the easier advancments have been made. No one is building a pc from scratch in their garage to start a trillion dollar company these days becuse it's simply too difficult now. Insights into ourselves will also be harder than they were for Plato or Jung, I'd imagine.
Discovering how to make fire will always be the biggest giant all other advancments stand on. Literally made us what we are.
We have issues today, I agree, but yesterday had more. We used to chemically castrate gay people just a few decades ago despite inventing modern computing.
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TorontoReign
Guest
You know I thought you were annoying but compared to some posters you are Jesus Christ because you are able to form coherent thoughts even though I disagree with them. Stick around.
Gizmojunk
Antediluvian as Feck
I didn't know that was up for argument; it's not self evident?...and then I thought, "Wait, what does social decline actually mean?". I looked it up, and initially got multiple variations of "to politely say no"—that couldn't be right.
Eventually I resorted to urban dictionary
, where it says,
I wasn't talking about social decline, I was talking about generational decline.
But as for cultural decline... well look no further than AAA games.
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Sn1p3r187
Carolinian Shaolin Monk
So the war is really centered in Donbas at the moment. Mariupol has pretty much become imo a modern battle of stalingrad
Uhm, no? Like don't get me wrong. Mob mentality sucks. I know what you're talking about. But honestly ... Giz. Look up how Homosexuality was treated during the 1950s and tell me it was "better" or comparable. Or let us not even talk about the openly displayed racism and sexism that was completely normal for most people back then. We have improved a lot here.
We're living in a time where you never had more ways to express your self or actually voice your opinion on things. Particularly in public. Yes. Even with the social-media rage mob. Which is shit and I find very disturbing. No doubts about it. But it really is not comparable.
Like just look at how the south has improved. Even rural communities! There is today a lot more acceptance and social improvements. Places that would have chased any black person away like 60 years ago and had every week a KKK meeting or something, have now black neighbours living there without issues for example.
If that is not social and cultural improvement than I honestly don't know what is.
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Gizmojunk
Antediluvian as Feck
You sit behind a socially invulnerable topic, where any disputing argument whatsoever, is seen as lies, further proof of the need for progress—and the assumed idiocy of the arguer against.
... And yet I live where you've described, and there are many points that are not entirely as you claim.
But to recount even a single memory as example is to become a pariah.
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Also, this wasn't about race or lifestyle; you introduced that aspect yourself.
Morgan_
Duckerz
What are examples of social decline you are seeing that are worse than what we had 20 or 150 years ago? Are you thinking of a lack of frontiersmen and closeknit family units vs the eaier lifestyles we have today? You mentioned kids can't be trusted with guns like they used to so far.
I feel like we have to make comparisons to race or innovations/declines in tech and culture since we don't have examples to work with. I'm not sure I quite follow your meaning.
I feel like we have to make comparisons to race or innovations/declines in tech and culture since we don't have examples to work with. I'm not sure I quite follow your meaning.
I think you kinda lost me here because I believe loosing your job due to some moronic twitter mob is still preferable to beeing hanged at the next tree simply because of your sexuality or the colour of your skin. Which doesn't mean that this social media outrage isn't a problem today.
However you can still find people in their 60s and 70s today that can remember this happening to their parents.
Or when you say children can not be trusted with weapons these days. Well guess what 100-150 years ago you had children robbing and killing people as gangs in pretty much all of the larger cities, like New York. An issue which has been present even to the modern day.
Youth gangs have always been part of New York City life.
In 1807, members of the African Methodist Episcopal Zion Church in lower Manhattan complained to the city about the gangs of white, working class youths who harassed churchgoers, according to the book, "Gotham" by Edwin G. Burroughs and Mike Wallace. By the 1820's, the authors explain, young men "swaggered about the city after work and on Sundays, staking out territories, picking fights, defending the honor of their street and trade."
Until the mid-1900's, a majority of gangs in America were white, composed of boys from various European backgrounds.
The postwar gangs in the 1940's-1960's were primarily "turf" gangs who defended their areas against neighboring ethnic groups and new immigrants. In his recent book, "Vampires, Dragons, and Egyptian Kings," Eric Schneider presents Postwar gang life as a world of switchblades, zoot suits, slums, and bebop music. Young men took on brash names like Enchanters, Young Lords, Bishops, Greene Avenue Stompers, and the Latin Gents.
While youth gangs were often seen as "violent, short-lived, disorganized collections of misfits whose main purpose was thrill seeking and immediate gratification," says Schneider, they provided a social structure for working-class boys that provided a sense of identity, place, and masculinity.
By 1970, about four-fifths of gang members were either African-American or Hispanic. And the late 1980's and early 1990's saw the growth of West Coast gangs like the Crips and the Bloods, although most experts dispute the notion that the gangs actually migrated across the country. Instead they are local, non-centralized gangs that go by the same names and wear the same identifying colors.
Today in New York, the most prominent New York City gangs are Bloods, Crips, Latin Kings, Nietas, Five Prisoners, Silenciosos, Matatones, Rat Hunters, and Zulu Nation. They are groups that span ethnicity, race, and neighborhoods.
In 1807, members of the African Methodist Episcopal Zion Church in lower Manhattan complained to the city about the gangs of white, working class youths who harassed churchgoers, according to the book, "Gotham" by Edwin G. Burroughs and Mike Wallace. By the 1820's, the authors explain, young men "swaggered about the city after work and on Sundays, staking out territories, picking fights, defending the honor of their street and trade."
Until the mid-1900's, a majority of gangs in America were white, composed of boys from various European backgrounds.
The postwar gangs in the 1940's-1960's were primarily "turf" gangs who defended their areas against neighboring ethnic groups and new immigrants. In his recent book, "Vampires, Dragons, and Egyptian Kings," Eric Schneider presents Postwar gang life as a world of switchblades, zoot suits, slums, and bebop music. Young men took on brash names like Enchanters, Young Lords, Bishops, Greene Avenue Stompers, and the Latin Gents.
While youth gangs were often seen as "violent, short-lived, disorganized collections of misfits whose main purpose was thrill seeking and immediate gratification," says Schneider, they provided a social structure for working-class boys that provided a sense of identity, place, and masculinity.
By 1970, about four-fifths of gang members were either African-American or Hispanic. And the late 1980's and early 1990's saw the growth of West Coast gangs like the Crips and the Bloods, although most experts dispute the notion that the gangs actually migrated across the country. Instead they are local, non-centralized gangs that go by the same names and wear the same identifying colors.
Today in New York, the most prominent New York City gangs are Bloods, Crips, Latin Kings, Nietas, Five Prisoners, Silenciosos, Matatones, Rat Hunters, and Zulu Nation. They are groups that span ethnicity, race, and neighborhoods.
I would say a lot has improved here. Even though we're obviously far from a perfect world or society. But even if you just take crime alone. It has been on a steady decline for I don't know, the last 50 years or something.
Crime drop - Wikipedia
In the United States, for example, violent crime rates have fallen by over 50% in many major U.S. cities since these rates peaked in the early 1990s, often referred to as the "Great Crime Decline".[16][17] In New York City, these rates had dropped by 75% from the early 1990s to 2010.[18] In the United States, a second decline in the crime rate was also observed, with homicide rates declining first from 1994 to 2002, and then again from 2007 to 2011.[19] The crime rate in Los Angeles decreased from 1993 onward, including e.g. a decrease in the crime rate of 10% during the first six months of 1998
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TorontoReign
Guest
All people are not created equal...some are retarded.
We have all of these rights and shit but very few use them or have the ability to.
*takes hit*
I trust that guy because of his fancy uniform and how he looks like he has not slept in a month.
We have all of these rights and shit but very few use them or have the ability to.
*takes hit*
I trust that guy because of his fancy uniform and how he looks like he has not slept in a month.
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TheGM
The voice of reason
Of course we have people in here saying that trading slightly racist fun with mean spirited racism along with silly shit like birthing people and MAP acceptance is an improvement.
Only if you have a reading comprehension issue because no one made that argument.
Morgan_
Duckerz
Boy you would have a blast with Mrgirl
Russians like "let's fake false flag operations inside this active and chaotic battlefield"
They're like a kid who tries to cheat you out of candy that you have already promised to give them.
