But I see the UN as the only really realistic way for the future.
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The UN has tremendous potential - if it is respected.
UN has brokered peace in many a minor/insignificant conflict, such as Peru v Ecuador, and even Spain v Morocco (did not flare up to actual war, thanks to UN)
UN has brokered peace in many a minor/insignificant conflict, such as Peru v Ecuador, and even Spain v Morocco (did not flare up to actual war, thanks to UN)
Dr Fallout
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Oh... I see. If you're talking about the real UN... good luck with that but if you're reffering to good old Hopeful and theory I agree.
ChildServices
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The only realistic way for the future is nationalism. When you start to talk of the absolutely impossible fantasy of a united human "race", you have to come to grips with the fact that a group is only as fast as its slowest member. At what rate do you believe we'll progress when we have to spend untold amounts of resources essentially reprogramming the savage masses not to murder albino kids because they think their body-parts cure AIDS or that it's wrong to throw acid at women for wanting an education? There are instances of witchcraft-related killings in the UK for god's sake, and I can tell you right now that this isn't the fault of any native Briton.
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PFfft.. hahahahah. Thanks for being marked as a target when the next economic collapse happens.
No, I'm kidding.
Sorta.
Let me disect this for ya.
So you're saying the only way to overcome a fucked up ideological religious mindset is to replace it with another fucked up religious ideological mindset?
You know, freedom of choice and consent does work right? Like, we are kinda living right now in the product of that. Sorry you focus on the bad things that can be overcome with a little collective awareness and action.
Dr Fallout
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Actually he has a point. While I don't support nationalism the idea of a united Human race is arguably impossible. Let's wait a hundred years shall we?
I don't think anybody has real ambitions for a "united human race", so let's not debate the feasability of that...
As for societies and their slowest members, let's not go there either *cough mental illness, autism, handicapped people, slow learners, dyslexia, poverty/beggars/junkies cough*
As for societies and their slowest members, let's not go there either *cough mental illness, autism, handicapped people, slow learners, dyslexia, poverty/beggars/junkies cough*
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What's wrong with the idea of a united human race?
Also, it's easy.
You know, heres a theoretical one that smashes that statement of impossibility apart.
Aliens.
Oh, too abstract for ya?
How about NUCLEAR WEAPONS.
Too radical? How about NANOMACHINES?
Too scifi? How about LSD CHEMTRAILS?
Too Alex Jones? How about RELIGIOUS SEX ORGIES?
Oh shit, I think I can go on and on and on and on and on and on and oh fuck it be a little miserable goth millennial nihilist scum fuck for all I care.
Also, it's easy.
You know, heres a theoretical one that smashes that statement of impossibility apart.
Aliens.
Oh, too abstract for ya?
How about NUCLEAR WEAPONS.
Too radical? How about NANOMACHINES?
Too scifi? How about LSD CHEMTRAILS?
Too Alex Jones? How about RELIGIOUS SEX ORGIES?
Oh shit, I think I can go on and on and on and on and on and on and oh fuck it be a little miserable goth millennial nihilist scum fuck for all I care.
Dr Fallout
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What. The. Hell.
Wrong? There's nothing wrong with it, it just ain't going to happen!
DarkCorp
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Shinzo Abe has been pushing for a more militarized Japan and a great many folks are protesting. Face it, much like Europe, Japan believes it makes much more economic and political sense to let the U.S. do the heavy lifting. Anything bad gets blamed on America while they reap the benefits. Or are you telling me the EU are finally willing to fund a great euro army to counter U.S./Russian/Chinese dominance?
Gonzalez was the first poster in the Akratus thread who mentioned Americans only want to live behind their walls and enjoy the riches while fuck everyone else. Plenty of folks blamed the west because we didn't stop ethnic cleaning in Africa but did do shit in the baltkans because one was black and one was white. Thats racism right there Crni.
Its like you said, there are nutjobs everywhere. Doesn't mean they ALONE set policy.
Taiwan and S. Korea are not what they were back in the day. Its great your reaching for straws to prove your point while ignoring how the S. Koreans and Taiwanese have no love for the DPRK or the CPC. You asked what GOOD things we did the past 20 years. Making sure people don't suffer under shitty communist policies satisfies your question. No, the victims might not have liked the shitty times but the folks nowadays certainly like the good times. Your argument is like saying The Great Leap Forward and the Cultural Revolution was shitty so life in China will ALWAYS be shitty.
In regards to Russia, should we really take the chance of trusting them, given what they have done and Putins rhetoric. I have to say I disagree with you Crni. Vigilance is the key.
Look, members of NATO are free to leave if things get unreasonable. Making NATO membership cost prohibitive will only hurt, not, help it. Time will tell I guess if your predictions come true.
Of course the submarine incident and stuff like Gladio put a strain on NATO but hardly enough to break it up. Considering any false flag operation that Gladio might have carried out would have been exposed already by now.
Germany doesn't need to do anything militarily and enjoys great relations because the U.S. is willing to be the guy everyone loves to hate. Now if the europeans were forced to do more due to a U.S. isolation policy, who knows?
Thing is, it shouldn't get so bad that our euro friends have to use nukes against Russia and China. And whats with your focus on only nukes where both Russia and China can do a lot of conventional damage.
Given free reign, I have very little doubt that Russia and China would have the capabilities, especially if given enough time, to be global players. Again, the PRC have the Lioning and have stated to begin multiple carrier production within a decade. They want force projection. They have shown this in their steadily increasing aggressiveness in the area. Russia clearly wants to be strong enough to give the U.S. a big fuck you. They are now involving themselves in Syria.
in the end, I can tell you one thing, Putin respects strength. From his image to his policie. NATO weakining its resolve would be naive at best and catastrophic at worst.
Gonzalez was the first poster in the Akratus thread who mentioned Americans only want to live behind their walls and enjoy the riches while fuck everyone else. Plenty of folks blamed the west because we didn't stop ethnic cleaning in Africa but did do shit in the baltkans because one was black and one was white. Thats racism right there Crni.
Its like you said, there are nutjobs everywhere. Doesn't mean they ALONE set policy.
Taiwan and S. Korea are not what they were back in the day. Its great your reaching for straws to prove your point while ignoring how the S. Koreans and Taiwanese have no love for the DPRK or the CPC. You asked what GOOD things we did the past 20 years. Making sure people don't suffer under shitty communist policies satisfies your question. No, the victims might not have liked the shitty times but the folks nowadays certainly like the good times. Your argument is like saying The Great Leap Forward and the Cultural Revolution was shitty so life in China will ALWAYS be shitty.
In regards to Russia, should we really take the chance of trusting them, given what they have done and Putins rhetoric. I have to say I disagree with you Crni. Vigilance is the key.
Look, members of NATO are free to leave if things get unreasonable. Making NATO membership cost prohibitive will only hurt, not, help it. Time will tell I guess if your predictions come true.
Of course the submarine incident and stuff like Gladio put a strain on NATO but hardly enough to break it up. Considering any false flag operation that Gladio might have carried out would have been exposed already by now.
Germany doesn't need to do anything militarily and enjoys great relations because the U.S. is willing to be the guy everyone loves to hate. Now if the europeans were forced to do more due to a U.S. isolation policy, who knows?
Thing is, it shouldn't get so bad that our euro friends have to use nukes against Russia and China. And whats with your focus on only nukes where both Russia and China can do a lot of conventional damage.
Given free reign, I have very little doubt that Russia and China would have the capabilities, especially if given enough time, to be global players. Again, the PRC have the Lioning and have stated to begin multiple carrier production within a decade. They want force projection. They have shown this in their steadily increasing aggressiveness in the area. Russia clearly wants to be strong enough to give the U.S. a big fuck you. They are now involving themselves in Syria.
in the end, I can tell you one thing, Putin respects strength. From his image to his policie. NATO weakining its resolve would be naive at best and catastrophic at worst.
Dr Fallout
Centurion
Leave NATO? And risk a shitstorm from America? No thanks!
It's funny how you make it sound as if Europe has a choice in having American soldiers in their country. Europe no longer matters, they can't do shit anymore. It's all divided up into weak neutral countries who have no real influence to American puppets.
It's funny how you make it sound as if Europe has a choice in having American soldiers in their country. Europe no longer matters, they can't do shit anymore. It's all divided up into weak neutral countries who have no real influence to American puppets.
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United? What does united mean anyways? I mean we are all individuals. So what exactly does united mean? Isn't it relative?
Are we talking about the entire planet under one banner? Well, it's kinda already that way. There are interior squabbles between governments right?
How exactly do you have one government only? Don't governments in-of-themselves delegate to other governors because if they didn't it would be grossly unmanageable?
IT AINT GONNA HAPPEN?
What? What Ain't gonna happen. It can unite and un-unite at will.
Now here come those space mongols, coming to harvest our organs. Perhaps we can all collectively organize? Or pay them off with the bodies of je... I mean SJWs.
Duh derp duuu what are you arguing here?
YES IT CAN HAPPEN.
Dr Fallout
Centurion
Can you please muster some sort of legitimate argument instead of mentioning Space Mongols? The world is not united, go to Africa or the Middle East. No place is united and the country is certainly NOT under one banner. How the hell can you even say that with racism, war and suffering around the globe? Are you ignoring the terrible things happening around the world?
ChildServices
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Pfft, these are all shit examples.
Aliens? We win and go back to killing eachother. Different blocs have been formed in the past to unite against common threats and the constituents of those blocs have almost always immediately gone back to murdering eachother. What's to say the aliens we encounter won't be just as diffuse and warlike as we are?
Nuclear weapons are far less uniting than you think. They certainly consolidate power, but they don't really consolidate individual nuclear powers together unless those powers were already friends before they got the nukes. Really, all nuclear proliferation did is strengthen isolationist tendencies between ideological rivals and cause more proxy wars.
Everything else you've said is just nonsense that's not even worth responding to. Keep being a sarcastic faggot, though.
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Dr Fallout
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While I agree with your points keep the insults out please. They help no body.
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Who says it will be a shitstorm?
Ever think that europe CHOSE, not to meddle in other nations affairs?
But feel free to blame amerkiacause we are responsible for everything.
Please continue to jerk off.
Ever think that europe CHOSE, not to meddle in other nations affairs?
But feel free to blame amerkiacause we are responsible for everything.
Please continue to jerk off.
I thought Russia was.
Calm down. America isn't responsible for everything, just... a lot of things. Horrible, gruesome, mind-numbingly terrible things, let's just begin to list the tyrannical dictatorships they have supported over the years BUT
no, not everything, you're right about that.
Hitler wasn't American, for example.
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_authoritarian_regimes_supported_by_the_United_States that's about 70, I actually thought the number was a little less. Favorite US supported dictator is obviously good old Saddam Hussein. We should come up with a pet name for him, Saddie, Sado, Hussie?)
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Dr Fallout
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You sound exactly like the kind of thing I'm apparently 'jerking' off to.
Chose? You mean powerless! Every European country that was dominant two hundred years ago is now just another country, tame and weak. They no longer have any global significance in the world because they have no power.
And while America isn't the fault of everything, your insistence to ignore the terrible things they have done is pure mind-numbing ignorance.
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Great list, and exactly how many were during the cold war? It was a different time and circumstance. We wanted to make sure communism didn't take root. Even with that said, I agree that we really messed up in S. America.
But ok, so we did shady shit in the past so we are responsible for ISIS, AL QAEDA, all the spring movements, AND Maiden?
The fear of Putin and the PRC is totally unjustified because Crni says so. Lets just ignore my examples because DICTATORSHIP. Lets ignore how standard of living in S. Korea is many times better, because DICTATORSHIP.
The majority of evul amerika examples were from the past, which I acknowledged, just read my post to Crni.
We can also just ignore the fact Saddam wasn't always crazy, that our Sunni allies relied on him to stop any Shia shitstorm that Iran would try to export. AGAIN, he was a reliable ally till he went nuts.
We can also ignore how REVOLUTIONS have NEVER been pretty. Yet when revolutions like the spring/maiden go tough, its not a choice of the people, its evulz america. So yea, great assumption with no solid evidence to back it up
And whos fucking fault is it that europe fought countless wars with eachother, including 2 of the biggest. But oh noes, its not that, America made them weak and forced NATO on them. Yea europeans are mindless drones who obey only evul amerika.
Again, I haven't ignored anything except all the conspiracy theories.
Of course I love my country, I live here. But I am well versed about the problems with latin america.
In the other thread, I alluded we did everything right in Afghanistan in 80s. We helped the brown peoples who wanted our help. After the soviets left, we didn't interfere in creating an afghani government. The way the warlords devolved into fucking bickering children has fuck all to do with us.
Keep stroking.
But ok, so we did shady shit in the past so we are responsible for ISIS, AL QAEDA, all the spring movements, AND Maiden?
The fear of Putin and the PRC is totally unjustified because Crni says so. Lets just ignore my examples because DICTATORSHIP. Lets ignore how standard of living in S. Korea is many times better, because DICTATORSHIP.
The majority of evul amerika examples were from the past, which I acknowledged, just read my post to Crni.
We can also just ignore the fact Saddam wasn't always crazy, that our Sunni allies relied on him to stop any Shia shitstorm that Iran would try to export. AGAIN, he was a reliable ally till he went nuts.
We can also ignore how REVOLUTIONS have NEVER been pretty. Yet when revolutions like the spring/maiden go tough, its not a choice of the people, its evulz america. So yea, great assumption with no solid evidence to back it up
And whos fucking fault is it that europe fought countless wars with eachother, including 2 of the biggest. But oh noes, its not that, America made them weak and forced NATO on them. Yea europeans are mindless drones who obey only evul amerika.
Again, I haven't ignored anything except all the conspiracy theories.
Of course I love my country, I live here. But I am well versed about the problems with latin america.
In the other thread, I alluded we did everything right in Afghanistan in 80s. We helped the brown peoples who wanted our help. After the soviets left, we didn't interfere in creating an afghani government. The way the warlords devolved into fucking bickering children has fuck all to do with us.
Keep stroking.
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Dr Fallout
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Mate things were better in Russia before the collapse of the Soviet Union! Thanks to Putin the country is strong and has respect. You are one of the blindest America lovers I have seen! Do I need to mention Iraq, Afghanistan and more? Sheesh if anyone is stroking you are. Go back to CNN and it's totally true news.
So Saddam was an ally then he went nuts and started hating on America. Bullshit. He was most likely afraid of America using him as a puppet or getting rid of him as a leader entirely. America doesn't have allies, it has servants.