Dr Fallout
Centurion
There is no realistic alternative. We cannot change unless we are forced to and such regimes do not last.
Russian-Ukrainian war
- Thread starter Tagaziel
- Start date
There is no realistic alternative. We cannot change unless we are forced to and such regimes do not last.
forced to? Well that's one way to put it. But I would say the moment we are really FORCED to change our behaviour it will be to late. I am not talking about governments I mean when something really serious happens like it does now with the polar ice caps. I mean that's the point, we would be actually already now forced to change. Look around you and just see what we as race do to this world in the name of our new god. Money. I really don't want to preach. But It's just so stupid. Many scientists, respected scientists say that thing's will not end well. And yet. As we continue on this path like it doesn't matter.
Last edited:
Fixed, and that is kindov an important point - cue Dopamine Cleric to call us negative nancy goths, it's not about "we're all going to hell, so much hell, darkness, tears, dark make-up" it's mooore like the opposite - we're just not going to end up all-hugging saints. There is no particular reason why this nature of ours should prevail over our other natures. Human nature is multifaceted, I never tire of telling angry social-darwinists that love, compassion, helping the underdog, is all part of human nature and is even seen among chimps and other apes. Niceness, softness, loveness is natural. But so is brutality. A mother will use brutality to care for her child - if need be.
This simple part of human nature will not go away, and will continue to manifest in the greater theaters of mankind for thousands of years to come.
On a light note - most of the world today is at peace, and it is likely that we will prefer to keep it this way. A little bit of "war on terror" and "war on drugs" and future war-on-concept here and there, you know, to keep the arms industry at peace, but apart from that, there will be mostly peace on earth.
Last edited:
DarkCorp
So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs
When posters here rely on conspiracy theories to prove their points, its a hate boner. When posters ignore asinine shit like sectarianism and chalk the fuckup up to america, its a hate boner. When posters ignore common sense like how every revolution will inevitably cause problems (people are removing the corrupt from power in all branches and civil services, disruptions are to be expected), and blame america, its a hate boner.
Well, as for Mordor, we don't have a Sauron, a kind of supremely evil diety thats president for life. Also, unlike Mordor, we have a seperation of powers, something a dictator like Sauron simply would not tolerate. Unlike Mordor, the rank and file have the ability to kick Sauron out of power if need be.
It is unfortunate that our military industrial complex fucked you folks over with the F16 deal but, like that funny skit with Putin, maybe you should have asked questions (was it Sale? or the other guy who asked Putin all those questions, but just caved in to everything). Whats the U.S. going to do? Bomb you guys?
You folks have PLENTY of choices, like creating a euro army that can make a difference on the global stage. You do have nuclear armed states so, like Crni points out, theres not much America can do about it.
If ANYTHING, we are super bitching powerful BECAUSE we have allies like you folks in europe. I mean compare NATO, a huge alliance comprised of three nations with armed nuclear capability and many other nations with advanced militaries. These militaries share common technology, resources, strategies, and in general, work together pretty fucking good. Now on the other side, we have the Warsaw Pact. The most advanced military on that side was, you guessed it, the soviets. Did the soviets respect their allies? Nope, they just bullied everyone into joining or execute/gulag any dissenters. Could Warsaw Pact countries make any serious contributions? Not really. They were too poor cause the soviets were sucking them bone dry.
Think about it this way, the Warsaw Pact sucks. The CSTO sucks. Why you might ask, because nations simply do not trust Russia. China doesn't trust Russia and Russia doesn't trust China. America on the other hand, despite our random acts of idiocy (OMG, were listening to Angela Merkles cell phone, the worlds going to end), has proven to be friendly enough and trustworthy enough for nations to WANT to join NATO. If you prefer to stroke it, we are simply the lesser of the two evils. There will ALWAYS be a hegemon. The question is, would Russia or China do a better job being that hegemon, with their Mordor like governments of zero tolerance for dissent?
You guys want to talk about a unified government, until we have a situation where we discover a cheap and efficient resource, its simply not going to happen. IN the world of Fallout, had fusion technology been able to proliferate, the Great War could have been avoided altogether.
Well, as for Mordor, we don't have a Sauron, a kind of supremely evil diety thats president for life. Also, unlike Mordor, we have a seperation of powers, something a dictator like Sauron simply would not tolerate. Unlike Mordor, the rank and file have the ability to kick Sauron out of power if need be.
It is unfortunate that our military industrial complex fucked you folks over with the F16 deal but, like that funny skit with Putin, maybe you should have asked questions (was it Sale? or the other guy who asked Putin all those questions, but just caved in to everything). Whats the U.S. going to do? Bomb you guys?
You folks have PLENTY of choices, like creating a euro army that can make a difference on the global stage. You do have nuclear armed states so, like Crni points out, theres not much America can do about it.
If ANYTHING, we are super bitching powerful BECAUSE we have allies like you folks in europe. I mean compare NATO, a huge alliance comprised of three nations with armed nuclear capability and many other nations with advanced militaries. These militaries share common technology, resources, strategies, and in general, work together pretty fucking good. Now on the other side, we have the Warsaw Pact. The most advanced military on that side was, you guessed it, the soviets. Did the soviets respect their allies? Nope, they just bullied everyone into joining or execute/gulag any dissenters. Could Warsaw Pact countries make any serious contributions? Not really. They were too poor cause the soviets were sucking them bone dry.
Think about it this way, the Warsaw Pact sucks. The CSTO sucks. Why you might ask, because nations simply do not trust Russia. China doesn't trust Russia and Russia doesn't trust China. America on the other hand, despite our random acts of idiocy (OMG, were listening to Angela Merkles cell phone, the worlds going to end), has proven to be friendly enough and trustworthy enough for nations to WANT to join NATO. If you prefer to stroke it, we are simply the lesser of the two evils. There will ALWAYS be a hegemon. The question is, would Russia or China do a better job being that hegemon, with their Mordor like governments of zero tolerance for dissent?
You guys want to talk about a unified government, until we have a situation where we discover a cheap and efficient resource, its simply not going to happen. IN the world of Fallout, had fusion technology been able to proliferate, the Great War could have been avoided altogether.
Last edited:
Last edited by a moderator:
Gonzalez
Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!
You know, it's fun you guys always praise yourselves in how you can kick your own government out if need be, yet you have never once done it. I mean, after the crisis with the banksters being rescued by the government and people being throw in the streets, the occupy wall street protests and the repression the protesters suffered, when gun laws become more and more restrictive and the internal security forces get better armed with assault weapons and armored vehicles, you'd think it would had been a good time as any to start a little revolution and clean house, sending the message that the government should care for its people instead of the super-rich who finance their political campaigns and have them in their pocket, but no, you have never once done it, and I dare predict you will never do it, no matter how shitty your own government is with you. Maybe you don't have the backbone, but rather I bet it's this "if it's not me who they're screwing over let the others burn" reasoning at work. No, instead what your government does is kick other countries governments out of office if those governments do not suit their needs.
Also, you do know communism is over, right? And while the US was nice to Europeans to keep them away from communism it was also shit to a lot of other people outside Europe. Basically what you just described communists did to European countries in their area of influences is exactly what the US did in South America during the same period of time.
Also, you do know communism is over, right? And while the US was nice to Europeans to keep them away from communism it was also shit to a lot of other people outside Europe. Basically what you just described communists did to European countries in their area of influences is exactly what the US did in South America during the same period of time.
Last edited:
Not a unified Government, that is a very silly idea and not to mention unrealistic. I think there is a misunderstanding here. The League of Nations was the first international organisation with the intention to maintain world peace. Its primary goals, as stated in its Covenant, included preventing wars through collective security and disarmament and settling international disputes through negotiation and arbitration. Not to create one unified world government. And I think that idea is realistic and it is possible to achieve it. Both the European Union and even the United States in some sense are the proof for that. The United Nations are the succession to the League of Nations
Hmm. You know, I think no one here said that they want to see China, Russia or someone else in the role of the USA or that they would be better. So please, let us not get always to that point like as it would be some kind of excuse for the errors, mistakes and crimes by the US government. Drone strikes and the Guantanamo Bay detention camp don't suddenly dissapear because the Soviets had gulags. We are not talking about the Soviets. We are not talking about China. We are talking about the US and it's politics. When we decide to talk about China and/or Russia and their errors we will not excuse those with US actions either.
I am curious how many South Americans we have on this forum. It would be interesting to hear their opinion on it. Or anyone from the middle east really.
See. That is the point really. It is this "we are better than they are!" mentaility that is driving people nuts. And you literaly say that we have to deal with it because the US is the smaller evil here ...
Last edited:
Gonzalez
Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!
Also, to keep things up to day with current issues. A US judge litigated in favor of private interests to have our external public debt multiply many times over, leaving our country with a many times grater debt than it has now. We went to the UN to vote a resolution that would not allow this abusive tactics to happen either to us or to any other country in the future, guess what countries voted against it.
So, just so we are clear, I'm being very selfish here, only looking after my own interests, just in case you think it is all just hate-boners.
So, just so we are clear, I'm being very selfish here, only looking after my own interests, just in case you think it is all just hate-boners.
Last edited:
DarkCorp
So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs
The police state doesn't exist. Please stop buying so easily into the liberal bullshit. Cops are deathly afraid to do anything because now for fear of being called a racist. If you have been following the news, body cameras for the police are now the in thing so officers can avoid being sued.
Obamtards guns laws were struck down and he threw a fit, it was hillarious. Fucker tried to use school shooting victims as a tool for his agenda, the assbag.
You mean like folks who bought houses they cannot afford? If one is making minimum wage, its safe to say they cannot afford a $200,000 dollar home. Do we want the rich to do more? Sure. But we do not need to fuck up EVERYTHING to do it. As I said earlier, revolutions are a bit messy.
The same with the bank bailouts. As shitty as they were, we can work on changing the government without burning and looting everything in sight.
Cops got better armed because of shit like the Hollywood shootout back in the early 90s and the riots, and organised crime having access to body armor and superior weapons. Again, try not to step in the liberal bullshit, while completely ignoring the other sides argument.
Did you conviniently ignore how we have had presidents assasinated by disgruntled citizens?? We have also had near assasinations, too, like Reagan.
People protest, but there simply wasn't enough disgruntled americans to push an impeachment through. Doesn't mean you cannot do it.
Your right, we have the backbone to do it, it just hasn't gotten that far. As to the, 'let others burn' comment, thats partially true in a sense. I am not going to turn my country into a warzone because some chucklehead cannot make sound financial decisions. Look at what happened with the riots, all the productive folks left for safer and more humane pastures while those who remained get the short end of the stick. Yup, mindless rioting and looting does wonders for ones cause.
Maybe those occupy folks should have focused their time and money more on congressman and senators than acting like squatters. They could have used the money for political action. Its unfortunate that I knew folks who tried to do it the more 'boring' way, but it wasn't cool enough.
Ugh, AGAIN?? Yes, yes yes yes yes, we fucked up in S. America. Whats your point? We still did good in europe.
Crni,
Lord Ashur said Chinese force projection was a good idea back in Akratus thread.
Just because nobody wants Russia or China or some other country to take up the role of hegemon doesn't mean its not going to happen. Call me a pessimist/realist.
People like Gonzalez and Fallout and others are constantly harping on the past. So of course I will be mentioning the soviets.
Some folks believe that Russia and China are peace loving nations and america is simply getting in the way. Are you even reading the posts here Crni???
AGAIN with harping on the fucking past. The U.S. did bad shit in the past wah wah, so all their positive achievements can just be ignored. The U.S. did shady shit in the past so they are responsible for the spring amd maiden. Seriously WTF??
In Akratus post, we did have someone from the ME. He agreed that the arab spring movement was definitely not the work of americans and that americans should have done more in afghanistan in the 80s. He also mentioned that the folks who started the spring were entirely un-prepared for religious psychos trying to take over, although I don't understand why they didn't. You have some seriously selective memory Crni.
Come to think of it Crni, please do take note that some of my responses were intended towards other people like Zeghs arguments. I am defending my position here against like 5 of you plus here. I don't have the time to use nice little quote bubbles all the time.
Obamtards guns laws were struck down and he threw a fit, it was hillarious. Fucker tried to use school shooting victims as a tool for his agenda, the assbag.
You mean like folks who bought houses they cannot afford? If one is making minimum wage, its safe to say they cannot afford a $200,000 dollar home. Do we want the rich to do more? Sure. But we do not need to fuck up EVERYTHING to do it. As I said earlier, revolutions are a bit messy.
The same with the bank bailouts. As shitty as they were, we can work on changing the government without burning and looting everything in sight.
Cops got better armed because of shit like the Hollywood shootout back in the early 90s and the riots, and organised crime having access to body armor and superior weapons. Again, try not to step in the liberal bullshit, while completely ignoring the other sides argument.
Did you conviniently ignore how we have had presidents assasinated by disgruntled citizens?? We have also had near assasinations, too, like Reagan.
People protest, but there simply wasn't enough disgruntled americans to push an impeachment through. Doesn't mean you cannot do it.
Your right, we have the backbone to do it, it just hasn't gotten that far. As to the, 'let others burn' comment, thats partially true in a sense. I am not going to turn my country into a warzone because some chucklehead cannot make sound financial decisions. Look at what happened with the riots, all the productive folks left for safer and more humane pastures while those who remained get the short end of the stick. Yup, mindless rioting and looting does wonders for ones cause.
Maybe those occupy folks should have focused their time and money more on congressman and senators than acting like squatters. They could have used the money for political action. Its unfortunate that I knew folks who tried to do it the more 'boring' way, but it wasn't cool enough.
Ugh, AGAIN?? Yes, yes yes yes yes, we fucked up in S. America. Whats your point? We still did good in europe.
Crni,
Lord Ashur said Chinese force projection was a good idea back in Akratus thread.
Just because nobody wants Russia or China or some other country to take up the role of hegemon doesn't mean its not going to happen. Call me a pessimist/realist.
People like Gonzalez and Fallout and others are constantly harping on the past. So of course I will be mentioning the soviets.
Some folks believe that Russia and China are peace loving nations and america is simply getting in the way. Are you even reading the posts here Crni???
AGAIN with harping on the fucking past. The U.S. did bad shit in the past wah wah, so all their positive achievements can just be ignored. The U.S. did shady shit in the past so they are responsible for the spring amd maiden. Seriously WTF??
In Akratus post, we did have someone from the ME. He agreed that the arab spring movement was definitely not the work of americans and that americans should have done more in afghanistan in the 80s. He also mentioned that the folks who started the spring were entirely un-prepared for religious psychos trying to take over, although I don't understand why they didn't. You have some seriously selective memory Crni.
Come to think of it Crni, please do take note that some of my responses were intended towards other people like Zeghs arguments. I am defending my position here against like 5 of you plus here. I don't have the time to use nice little quote bubbles all the time.
Last edited:
Gonzalez
Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!
Harping on the past? That's why I made the post just above you you seemed to miss. I'm only looking after my own interests, and being favorable to Russia and China because not only the US hasn't benefited us in the past but it seeks to ruin us today, I mean, seriously, Griesa is a New York judge, are you saying that no one in the US government could lift a finger to stop a process that would leave our economy in ruins? And then in the UN vote against international legislation that would prevent this from happening again?
China invested millions in infrastructure here, and is even sharing space exploration technology with us. The US doesn't like it? They should have offred a better deal, you don't see NASA down here, do you?
So yeah, I view countries like China and Russia more favorably than the US, but that's based on current events as well as the past.
The way I see it the US has gone too big and too prepotent, it does whatever it wants in the middle east and gets away with it, it does the same in Ukraine. So no, maybe they shouldn't get away with it, and that's why I root for the ruskies, maybe that way they can see they can't do whatever they want.
Maybe Putin is this evil devil you guys paint it to be (albeit with the highest approval rating than any other world leader according to international polls), but I don't live in Russia, and I have to look after my own interests, and a strong prepotent US is not what's better for me, maybe it needs a little competition, you know, to improve itself and not get lazy.
China invested millions in infrastructure here, and is even sharing space exploration technology with us. The US doesn't like it? They should have offred a better deal, you don't see NASA down here, do you?
So yeah, I view countries like China and Russia more favorably than the US, but that's based on current events as well as the past.
The way I see it the US has gone too big and too prepotent, it does whatever it wants in the middle east and gets away with it, it does the same in Ukraine. So no, maybe they shouldn't get away with it, and that's why I root for the ruskies, maybe that way they can see they can't do whatever they want.
Maybe Putin is this evil devil you guys paint it to be (albeit with the highest approval rating than any other world leader according to international polls), but I don't live in Russia, and I have to look after my own interests, and a strong prepotent US is not what's better for me, maybe it needs a little competition, you know, to improve itself and not get lazy.
Hey Gonzales where are you from again? Just curious.
Well I don't completely agree of course because it is a bit more complicated than that, like I said no nation is really better or worse given the chance. So yeah you are right America is not getting in their way - but I don't know if anyone really said that here and I sure don't remember all of the last 20 pages. But still can you blame them for thinking it? Let us assume this would be a crime scene and a case in court with judges. Considering the last 30 years or so well ... both China and Russia could be almost described as peace loving nations. Almost.
And yes, the current situation of the Ukraine is the fault from us, Europe, US and also from Russia. I never said anything else. It is a complex situation. But we all played our role. The Ukraine and Maidan will be a very interesting topic for future historians. So much for sure.
Hey! That's understandable. I am not attacking you personaly.
So messy in fact that the US is outsourcing them to Kosovo, Afghanistan and Irak
Well I don't completely agree of course because it is a bit more complicated than that, like I said no nation is really better or worse given the chance. So yeah you are right America is not getting in their way - but I don't know if anyone really said that here and I sure don't remember all of the last 20 pages. But still can you blame them for thinking it? Let us assume this would be a crime scene and a case in court with judges. Considering the last 30 years or so well ... both China and Russia could be almost described as peace loving nations. Almost.
Well the harping on the fucking past for the US is the reality of the people on the Kosov, Afhganistan and Irak.
And yes, the current situation of the Ukraine is the fault from us, Europe, US and also from Russia. I never said anything else. It is a complex situation. But we all played our role. The Ukraine and Maidan will be a very interesting topic for future historians. So much for sure.
Hey! That's understandable. I am not attacking you personaly.
Last edited:
DarkCorp
So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs
Gonzalez, I respect your post dude. It was realistic, true and made sense.
So the U.S. isn't helping, mostly due to how hated we are and for good reason and our relationship with the UK. I understand that your country has beef with our buddies over Malvinas/Falklands.
I don't think Putin is competition unless the west/nato buries its head in the sand however.
What exactly did the U.S. do in Ukraine again besides sanctions. I already made my case on conspiracy theories, take it or leave it.
BTW, thank you for specifying said case so I can read up on it.
See Crni, some folks have reason to like Russia/China though the pessimist in me thinks nothing is for free. The ruskies and chinese will come collecting at some point.
So the U.S. isn't helping, mostly due to how hated we are and for good reason and our relationship with the UK. I understand that your country has beef with our buddies over Malvinas/Falklands.
I don't think Putin is competition unless the west/nato buries its head in the sand however.
What exactly did the U.S. do in Ukraine again besides sanctions. I already made my case on conspiracy theories, take it or leave it.
BTW, thank you for specifying said case so I can read up on it.
See Crni, some folks have reason to like Russia/China though the pessimist in me thinks nothing is for free. The ruskies and chinese will come collecting at some point.
DarkCorp
So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs
Broken record Crni.
We fucked up in Iraq in terms that we should have kicked Saddam out of power after he invaded Kuwait, or just accept him being in power. Afghanistan was a punitive action against the Taliban, but yea, agreed, not a very good idea either. Kosovo? If we let the africans kill eachother, might as well let them kill eachother there too.
Again, I have talked about this to DEATH Crni. If we did nothing, we would be called racists or uncaring assholes. Seriously WTF?
America/NATO IS getting in the way of Russian and Chinese ambitions.
On the one hand, you are saying Russia and China are mostly peaceful, then on the other, you claim not one nation is better than another. Which one is it Crni?? I would say that is only because America/NATO is there to stop them. China in particular here against Taiwan and Japan among other asian nations. Putin joining the fight in Syria proves he intends to be a regional player and has a serious desire to become bigger and balance out/position itself against NATO.
So Crni, just for thr the record, your in the conspiracy Ukraine/arab spring camp, message recieved.
We fucked up in Iraq in terms that we should have kicked Saddam out of power after he invaded Kuwait, or just accept him being in power. Afghanistan was a punitive action against the Taliban, but yea, agreed, not a very good idea either. Kosovo? If we let the africans kill eachother, might as well let them kill eachother there too.
Again, I have talked about this to DEATH Crni. If we did nothing, we would be called racists or uncaring assholes. Seriously WTF?
America/NATO IS getting in the way of Russian and Chinese ambitions.
On the one hand, you are saying Russia and China are mostly peaceful, then on the other, you claim not one nation is better than another. Which one is it Crni?? I would say that is only because America/NATO is there to stop them. China in particular here against Taiwan and Japan among other asian nations. Putin joining the fight in Syria proves he intends to be a regional player and has a serious desire to become bigger and balance out/position itself against NATO.
So Crni, just for thr the record, your in the conspiracy Ukraine/arab spring camp, message recieved.
Last edited:
LordAshur
Banned
I never said it was a good thing, but pointed out that cooperating with China is a lot more profitable than cooperating with the US. I don't like any kind of force projection, but if it has to be around than every country should have a right to it. You then pulled the Tibet card, and I pointed out that Tibet profited by becoming a part of the PRC, and that the whole "free Tibet" idea is only around because Buddhism got popular amongst Hollywood celebrities. If I had to choose whether I wanted to live in an American or Chinese puppet, I would choose China.
And what the US did in the past isn't really an issue. It's what's happening now that matters, yet you write it off as a conspiracy theories. It's a cold, hard fact that the US made ISIS strong. Remember a few years ago, when the Syrian shitstorm just started? ISIS wasn't the largest rebel group, it was the Jabhat Al-Nusra - the local Al-Qaeda affiliate. Yet that didn't stop the US from financing and arming them. The only reason the so called Free Syrian Army is allowed to exist is because it allows for Jihadists to do their shit free of coalition bombings, and get more men and equipment from Turkey.
Recently, a Croatian citizen was killed by ISIS in Egypt. Yet you can find much evidence of ISIS fighters in Syria brandishing Croatian weapons. Because our government sent the rebels weapons and money. Our state oil company gave up billions worth of assets in Syria because Assad is EVIL! That's the kind of profits you get from being a US ally.
And frankly, I don't remember a single bad thing the US ever did which wasn't written off as a conspiracy theory at first.
@Crni Vuk I remain a bit skeptical about the mechanisms of global warming. Here's an interesting documentary on the subject (no subtitles, but the interviewee speaks in english anyway)
And as for the whole UN thing, I think it's just a stage. Even if it wasn't dominated by the security council's permanent members, it would still be just a competition on who can amass the greatest number of puppets to vote for him.
I don't know if nationalism actually works well in the other parts of the world, but it didn't work out very well for us. There's still a lot of it around and it just sucks.
And what the US did in the past isn't really an issue. It's what's happening now that matters, yet you write it off as a conspiracy theories. It's a cold, hard fact that the US made ISIS strong. Remember a few years ago, when the Syrian shitstorm just started? ISIS wasn't the largest rebel group, it was the Jabhat Al-Nusra - the local Al-Qaeda affiliate. Yet that didn't stop the US from financing and arming them. The only reason the so called Free Syrian Army is allowed to exist is because it allows for Jihadists to do their shit free of coalition bombings, and get more men and equipment from Turkey.
Recently, a Croatian citizen was killed by ISIS in Egypt. Yet you can find much evidence of ISIS fighters in Syria brandishing Croatian weapons. Because our government sent the rebels weapons and money. Our state oil company gave up billions worth of assets in Syria because Assad is EVIL! That's the kind of profits you get from being a US ally.
And frankly, I don't remember a single bad thing the US ever did which wasn't written off as a conspiracy theory at first.
@Crni Vuk I remain a bit skeptical about the mechanisms of global warming. Here's an interesting documentary on the subject (no subtitles, but the interviewee speaks in english anyway)
And as for the whole UN thing, I think it's just a stage. Even if it wasn't dominated by the security council's permanent members, it would still be just a competition on who can amass the greatest number of puppets to vote for him.
I don't know if nationalism actually works well in the other parts of the world, but it didn't work out very well for us. There's still a lot of it around and it just sucks.
Last edited by a moderator:
No one. Absofuckinglutely no one - with a sane mind! And why would you listen to the idiots in that case anyway? - will be mad at the US if they offer humanitarian aid and do what the rest of the sane world does. Helping the refugees and finding peacefull solutions - if possible. We are not living in a world of fairies and unicors. It is impossible to always avoid military actions. Even Kissinger was quoted on that, that you can't be always reasonable. I understand that. Though neither Finnland, Canada, Germany, Sweden, Iceland, Ireland, Switzerland, Belgium, Luxenburg, Netherlands and many more are seen as "assholes" just because they don't jump at the throat of every nation they see as enemy to their way of life.
Last edited:
DarkCorp
So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs
You said it LA, we armed the Free Syrian Army/SMC. We armed MODERATE rebel groups. Its not our fault the FSA/SMC cannot secure their weapons and they got lost to radical islamist elements.
Well I am for the idea that UNTIL proven, its a conspiracy theory. Hey if its ture, you win, YAY.
You prefer the CPC, thats fine, agree to disagree. You might be in the same boat as Gonzalez. Just glad I don't have to repeat myself to Crni AGAIN.
Well I am for the idea that UNTIL proven, its a conspiracy theory. Hey if its ture, you win, YAY.
You prefer the CPC, thats fine, agree to disagree. You might be in the same boat as Gonzalez. Just glad I don't have to repeat myself to Crni AGAIN.
Last edited:
DarkCorp
So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs
Well Putin is certainly willing and aspires to challenge NATO. The CPC is belligerant. But depending on which side you are on, that can be bad or something to be ignored.
Already agreed intervention in I, K and A was a bad idea.
Already agreed intervention in I, K and A was a bad idea.
LordAshur
Banned
But isn't that something that should have been taken into consideration? You had the Libyan war just right before this one prove that "moderate democratic opposition" quickly turn into jihadists. And it wasn't just then, this is continuing now. Turkey is still sending weapons and providing training to the rebels, and the only jihadist faction under coalition bombing in Syria is ISIS. The US obviously still sees Al-Qaeda as better than Assad.
I can't help but point out (once again) that every place the west ever tried to make a democracy by force failed. After all, we took quite a long time to achieve the progress we have, why should everyone else be forced to do it in a blink of an eye?
The issue of homosexuals in Russia is also part of this problem (I saw someone mention Putin's "gay bashing" a few pages ago). The majority of the population in Russia (and I would say every other Slavic country except for Slovenia and the Czech Republic) is against homosexuality, as far as I know. And you can't make them more tolerant by forcing them to accept homosexuality. So the only way the west would have been happy would have been if Putin shot himself in the foot by doing something the majority of Russians don't want, thus hurting his position and making the population dislike homosexuals even more.
For not beeing gay though putin is making use of pretty much every homoerotic stereotype. Although, I am sure Obama would look just as good riding topless on a horse trough the steppe 
LordAshur
Banned
For not beeing gay though putin is making use of pretty much every homoerotic stereotype. Although, I am sure Obama would look just as good riding topless on a horse trough the steppe
No way. Putin's manly nature is untouchable.
And I forgot, there was some mention about the Americans boasting about their right to rebel against their government but never actually doing it. I only thought it fair to mention that some of them did try in 1861.
Last edited: