Scientology?

What kinda 'religion' it is that allows death penalty?
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Who the heck do you think sends people to the electric chair in the States? non-religious people? Doesn't got smite you down if you are bad? hmmm....
 
It's funny how Anonymous directly says "we decided your organization should be destroyed" and this doesn't seem to bother anyone.

Next up, Anonymous decides the Red Cross should be destroyed.

Ravager69 said:
How should the Nurenberg Trials look like? (I'm not very familiar with the subject, although I know the overall look of it)
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I'm not going to explain indepth here, especially since WW II history really isn't my forte, but the basic issues of the Nurenberg Trials were that they were a typical people's tribunal. The guilt of every almost every person who came before the court had been decided beforehand. The basic structure of defense and law in Nurenberg were created ad hoc and thus ex post facto (which is very touchy), and not based on any form of national law (international law didn't really exist yet), removing such basic judicial rights as tu quoque (which would have been very relevant when faced by Soviet judges), not to mention the judges were not forced to recognize the need for actual evidence if this was inconvenient for them.

Now, if I am to be really historian in spirit, I'd have to note the Nurenberg trials did represent a step forward in the development of rule of law, especially in an international sense, because at least the loser were put on trial rather than just declared traitors and executed.

However, it was very obviously "not there yet", and while you can view is historically as a step forward, it really isn't anything to hold up as a shiny example for anything now.
 
Pretty whacky religion but I don't gotta worry at all. I hate being told what to do so I don't believe in anything except God but only in the way Conan believed in Crom. Thats just my point of view no one has to agree with me.
 
Civil disobedience is an acceptable and established method for changing laws and bringing awareness in the western world.

That being said, once again, this thread i sort of missing the point of anon. They are not a moral organization fighting for justice, they are a flash mob of kids looking for lulz.
lulz != justice
lulz are that thing you get when you laugh at a fat person who can't fit through a small doorway, or when that dog you really really hate dies suddenly and your neighbors are crying and all you can do is grin.


Anon is amoral.
 
I wouldn't call that amoral behavior, I'd call that being a dick m'self.

I'll stick with lols over lulz thankyeekindly.
 
Mord_Sith said:
I wouldn't call that amoral behavior, I'd call that being a dick m'self.
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It's not anti-moral in the usual popular perception of "amorality", it's amoral in the most literal sense; they don't care if they do good or bad, as long as it's funny.

I'm glad no one outside the internet is taking these overly dramatized messages seriously
 
xdarkyrex said:
Civil disobedience is an acceptable and established method for changing laws and bringing awareness in the western world.
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I'm sure Putin would agree.
 
URGENT REPORT!

You won't belive this...in fact this is so wacky I'm just as inclined to think the Scientologists are preaching it as much as anonymous could have made it up;

Can anyone else who still has contact or sources in Criminal Cult
confirm OSA fanantic insiders have flipped out?

I have received intelligence ( if you can call it that):

Apparently, DM has accepted an explanation for the Sudden Anonoymous
Uprising Phenomenom (Plague of those below 2.0 on Tone Scale) that
defies all reason. Allegedly some brilliant Hubbard fanatic has
convinced many senior Co$ that the Marcabs, the Fourth or Fifth
Invader Fleet and the Psychos have used the Internet to take control
of thousands of net Minions.
These hapless victims are attacking Scientology under the direction of
the Psychos immediate Lieutenants: ARSCC (wdne). Several current and
formerly overtly prominent ARS Sps are deemed to be Regional Directors
of Operations for Anonymous. These Regional directors will be targeted
for express handling should legal efforts fail to win injunctions
against the mass demonstrations.

I've had this madness communicated to me from two different and
usually reliable sources.

Have they blown our cover?
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For information on the Marcab's look here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcab_Confederacy

Kharn's right...anonymous is getting way out of hand.

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The Vault Dweller
 
The Vault Dweller said:
URGENT REPORT!

You won't belive this...in fact this is so wacky I'm just as inclined to think the Scientologists are preaching it as much as anonymous could have made it up;

Can anyone else who still has contact or sources in Criminal Cult
confirm OSA fanantic insiders have flipped out?

I have received intelligence ( if you can call it that):

Apparently, DM has accepted an explanation for the Sudden Anonoymous
Uprising Phenomenom (Plague of those below 2.0 on Tone Scale) that
defies all reason. Allegedly some brilliant Hubbard fanatic has
convinced many senior Co$ that the Marcabs, the Fourth or Fifth
Invader Fleet and the Psychos have used the Internet to take control
of thousands of net Minions.
These hapless victims are attacking Scientology under the direction of
the Psychos immediate Lieutenants: ARSCC (wdne). Several current and
formerly overtly prominent ARS Sps are deemed to be Regional Directors
of Operations for Anonymous. These Regional directors will be targeted
for express handling should legal efforts fail to win injunctions
against the mass demonstrations.

I've had this madness communicated to me from two different and
usually reliable sources.

Have they blown our cover?
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For information on the Marcab's look here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcab_Confederacy

Kharn's right...anonymous is getting way out of hand.

:crazy: ,
The Vault Dweller
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Huh? Where is that quote from? What are you try to say?
 
Don't you get it man?! The CoS upper leadership has convinced their believers that the Anonymous protesters are being mind controlled over the internet by an invasion force composed of evil sentients from the "Marcab Confederation" located in the stars around the big dipper.

At best this is funny in a bad way...at worst what if at the next protest CoS fanatics attack the protesters thinking they'll be "saving" Earth from an alien invasion.

Whoever wins...we lose.

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The Vault Dweller
 
If this really is a "move" of the COS to try to justify what is going on, then the members of Anonymous are probably dying in lulz right now.
 
In accordance with L. Ron Hubbard's genius, this entire discussion is proceeding according to his plan.

LRH specifically designed his pyramid scheme or religion or movement (any label you put on it dumps you into his trap as well; personally, I call it a UFO cult) to exploit the rules of civil society (or the rational need for rules) to accumulate power while skirting legal or political conflicts that might endanger its existence. The laws required for society to function - as defended by BN - fuel the organization's growth while protecting it from the only thing that could seriously threaten it in the short term: a lawless entity more powerful than itself.

In short, LRH (con man extraordinaire) approached the problem from a predatory point of view, probing democratic social structure and analyzing it for weaknesses and blind-spots. Over time he devised the system that became the CoS. The strictures that prevent societies from slipping into authoritarianism paralyze them as long as the program is carefully followed; by design, this allows the CoS to practice authoritarianism.

There is no simple answer to Scientology because it intentionally abides within a moral and legal catch-22.
 
UniversalWolf said:
In accordance with L. Ron Hubbard's genius, this entire discussion is proceeding according to his plan.

LRH specifically designed his pyramid scheme or religion or movement (any label you put on it dumps you into his trap as well; personally, I call it a UFO cult) to exploit the rules of civil society (or the rational need for rules) to accumulate power while skirting legal or political conflicts that might endanger its existence. The laws required for society to function - as defended by BN - fuel the organization's growth while protecting it from the only thing that could seriously threaten it in the short term: a lawless entity more powerful than itself.

In short, LRH (con man extraordinaire) approached the problem from a predatory point of view, probing democratic social structure and analyzing it for weaknesses and blind-spots. Over time he devised the system that became the CoS. The strictures that prevent societies from slipping into authoritarianism paralyze them as long as the program is carefully followed; by design, this allows the CoS to practice authoritarianism.

There is no simple answer to Scientology because it intentionally abides within a moral and legal catch-22.
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Yeah, L. Ron had alota blah blah blah in him. It really is pretty simple guys. We all here know for a FACT that the CoS is wrong and immoral. Trying to expose the CoS for what it is, and giving ourselves and others a chance to resist its agenda, and the agendas of other power mongers in our lives with responsibility and wisdom will, and you know it will, improve society and our lives.


But I do agree with BN that Anonymous is not someone who should be waving the morality flag, but at least some people are making a statement.
 
UniversalWolf said:
LRH specifically designed his pyramid scheme or religion or movement (any label you put on it dumps you into his trap as well; personally, I call it a UFO cult) to exploit the rules of civil society (or the rational need for rules) to accumulate power while skirting legal or political conflicts that might endanger its existence. The laws required for society to function - as defended by BN - fuel the organization's growth while protecting it from the only thing that could seriously threaten it in the short term: a lawless entity more powerful than itself.
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I'd rather abide by a fraudulent organization like Scientology than give up to mob rule and mob justice as DC proposes to be able to fight them. It's just not worth it
 
I'd rather abide by a fraudulent organization like Scientology than give up to mob rule and mob justice as DC proposes to be able to fight them. It's just not worth it
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That's a solid, logical position to hold. LRH recognized that your argument would carry the day, which is why he chose to use it as a bulwark for his perifdy.

And I'm not disagreeing with you.
 
UniversalWolf said:
I'd rather abide by a fraudulent organization like Scientology than give up to mob rule and mob justice as DC proposes to be able to fight them. It's just not worth it
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That's a solid, logical position to hold. LRH recognized that your argument would carry the day, which is why he chose to use it as a bulwark for his perifdy.

And I'm not disagreeing with you.
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Heh.

Catch-22.
 
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