Skyrim vs Fallout 4: Who is playing?

Tom Bishop said:
nor would they handwave away a reasonable fan question with a bullshit "Not interested in discussing realism..." line.
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Someone should ask Pete on Twitter why Bethesda is planning on implementing realism mechanics with needs for food, drink and disease when he states "(I'm) not interested in discussing how realistic things are in an alternate universe post-apoc game w/ talking mutants and ghouls" Sounds like they are sellout to me. Maybe they see that Fallout 4 doesn't keep people's interest for long, which is a first for them in a long time.

Update to the numbers:
Skyrim in-game = 27,641
Fallout 4 in-game = 35,174

There are on average only 8000 people more playing Fallout 4, when I started this thread the ratio was for every Skyrim player there was 1.3 Fallout 4 players, now the average is for every one player of Skyrim there is 1.27 people playing Fallout 4, Skyrim stays the same, Fallout 4 continues to lose players over time.
 
DirtyOldShoe said:
Someone should ask Pete on Twitter why Bethesda is planning on implementing realism mechanics with needs for food, drink and disease when he states "(I'm) not interested in discussing how realistic things are in an alternate universe post-apoc game w/ talking mutants and ghouls" Sounds like they are sellout to me. Maybe they see that Fallout 4 doesn't keep people's interest for long, which is a first for them in a long time.

Update to the numbers:
Skyrim in-game = 27,641
Fallout 4 in-game = 35,174

There are on average only 8000 people more playing Fallout 4, when I started this thread the ratio was for every Skyrim player there was 1.3 Fallout 4 players, now the average is for every one player of Skyrim there is 1.27 people playing Fallout 4, Skyrim stays the same, Fallout 4 continues to lose players over time.
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Interesting... really interesting that. Bethesda better make the mod engine soon.
 
I halfway hope it's too late and the DLCs flop. I wish I'd heeded the IBT review and not bothered buying the game and the season pass. I would still like to see Bethesda turn FO4 into a respectable game in the end, though.
 
BairdEC said:
I halfway hope it's too late and the DLCs flop. I wish I'd heeded the IBT review and not bothered buying the game and the season pass. I would still like to see Bethesda turn FO4 into a respectable game in the end, though.
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It is far too late for them to turn the game around and I doubt any of the DLCs are going to be flops. Their fans will gobble up those DLCs regardless what's featured in them and in the process Bethesda will break the record for most money made from DLCs.
 
MercenarySnake said:
It is far too late for them to turn the game around and I doubt any of the DLCs are going to be flops. Their fans will gobble up those DLCs regardless what's featured in them and in the process Bethesda will break the record for most money made from DLCs.
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Just because a game makes the most money doesn't mean everyone is going to be stupid enough to think it's good. Just look at Call of Duty. This may not be the case with Bethesda yet, but it will be soon.
 
Earth said:
I don't understand how anyone can play either of those games, even if they are modded.

They're just so...boring. Did someone completely rewrite the whole of Skyrim's plot and side quests to make it playable?
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Couldn't agree more. The "interesting" effect of Skyrim is fading really fast. I played it for a while and got extremely bored, to a point where I got actually pissed especially with the side quests. You could sum up the whole game with : enter some dungeon and do something for somebody or get something for somebody with an unknown effect on something. Now that I finished what I had to do I guess... I do something.
 
ZigzagPX4 said:
Just because a game makes the most money doesn't mean everyone is going to be stupid enough to think it's good. Just look at Call of Duty. This may not be the case with Bethesda yet, but it will be soon.
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Try telling all of the rabid fanboys that have said that a good game is based on how much money it makes and how many units are sold. :wall:
 
Fallout 4 stats for Steam
The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim stats for Steam

Skyrim was pretty unique for the year it came out in, especially for the AAA industry. Say about it what you will, I still think it's a good game. At no point is it the masterpiece everyone holds it up to be, like a holy child, but it's definitely not shit. This is judging it from a neutral review basis, though. I personally don't prefer medieval fantasy, usually preferring themes sci-fi settings, or contemporary settings, or you know, the post-apocalypse.

MercenarySnake said:
Try telling all of the rabid fanboys that have said that a good game is based on how much money it makes and how many units are sold. :wall:
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But there's those for every game! Why are we worried and/or mad over these "rabid fanboys" so much? The most loud, ferocious and stupidest of them all barely contributes to the majority. It's not "them" that's driving the series into the ground, it's marketing and misinformation.

The common audience, the gamer who doesn't really look into or care about the gaming industry and only plays FIFA or GTA for a few hours after they return home from work, or from school, whatever. These are the ones that bought into the Fallout 4 hype, and if you think there's anything anyone can do about those people, good luck with that because they probably constitute about 70% or more of all gamers, not even counting the casual gamers.

Even if we manage to change the minds of every single Bethesda forum troop defending the game to its last drop, that's still barely a dent made on the global scale, or as it's commonly known, the big picture. The only way to overturn Bethesda is to simply let Obsidian make a Fallout game and have this major audience like it more. These major audience that I'm speaking of defend neither Bethesda nor Obsidian, the most complex comment on the game they'll probably bother to say is "well, Fallout 4 was fun" because games are not primary hobbies in their lives.

No, these "rabid fanboys" you speak of are insignificant. They're just loudest and thanks to that, they look like they're convincing Bethesda to make those stupid decisions. But those people will not be able to convince Bethesda to put flying vampire dragons into Fallout 4 DLC. If it happens, it's a coincidental decision Bethesda decided to go through with on their own.
 
ZigzagPX4 said:
Fallout 4 stats for Steam
The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim stats for Steam

Skyrim was pretty unique for the year it came out in, especially for the AAA industry. Say about it what you will, I still think it's a good game. At no point is it the masterpiece everyone holds it up to be, like a holy child, but it's definitely not shit. This is judging it from a neutral review basis, though. I personally don't prefer medieval fantasy, usually preferring themes sci-fi settings, or contemporary settings, or you know, the post-apocalypse.
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I find it interesting that Skyrim always had between 20k and 40k players average since it came out, while Fallout 4 started with a whopping 200k and has now dropped to 40k.
New Vegas, on the other hand, never had more than 30k people playing at the same time, ever :D
http://steamcharts.com/cmp/72850,22380,22370,377160#All
 
Hassknecht said:
I find it interesting that Skyrim always had between 20k and 40k players average since it came out, while Fallout 4 started with a whopping 200k and has now dropped to 40k.
New Vegas, on the other hand, never had more than 30k people playing at the same time, ever :D
http://steamcharts.com/cmp/72850,22380,22370,377160#All
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That's to be expected, Fallout 3 now only has a few hundred playing it. Time can change a lot. Plus there's two more factors - the Gamebryo Fallouts came from a much more piracy-ridden era (that's basically half a decade ago), and Steam Charts is a relatively new site founded mid-2012 so it doesn't count it all the way from the start.

I think the fact that while Fallout 3 and NV are technologically identical, NV remains with tens of thousands while FO3 only have three hundred or so says it all about longevity of Bethesda's Fallouts, with or without mods. The Elder Scrolls hits a much wider range of audiences on a different genre, so it's on a whole different scale compared to completely different games.
 
As long as they don't force Fallout 4's "innovations" onto Obsidians hypothetical Fallout, then it'd be practically nothing but Radiant quests with good writing.
 
Poorly developed characters, bare bones dialogue, poor character building system, horrible learn by doing leveling system, poor writing, copy pasted character types all over the place, extremely linear quests, repetitive dungeons, repetitive enemies, repetitive quests, repetitive rewards, repetitive everything. Essential NPC's constantly. They managed to make dragons boring. Dragons! How do you fuck that up!? They retconned lore. There's very seldom any real consequence to your actions. The game's balance is fucked considering how they use leveled enemies. The world doesn't make any sense thanks to the scaling down Bethesda's so keen on.

As an adventure game Skyrim leaves much to be desired. Far too much.
As an RPG it is pathetically minimalistic.
As an exploration game it is dull and uneventful for the most part.
And as a dungeon crawler it is a fucking snoozefest. Whack away at the same enemies using the same weapons with the same tactics and repeat. Oh and when you level up enough you get to whack away even more health from their upgraded versions! Yay!

Remind me how Skyrim is not a shitty game again? I'm astonished people are still playing the piece of shit. They must've modded the game to oblivion cause the base game sucks hairy swamp-ass.
 
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Mr Fish said:
Poorly developed characters, bare bones dialogue, poor character building system, horrible learn by doing leveling system, poor writing, copy pasted character types all over the place, extremely linear quests, repetitive dungeons, repetitive enemies, repetitive quests, repetitive rewards, repetitive everything. Essential NPC's constantly. They managed to make dragons boring. Dragons! How do you fuck that up!? They retconned lore. There's very seldom any real consequence to your actions. The game's balance is fucked considering how they use leveled enemies. The world doesn't make any sense thanks to the scaling down Bethesda's so keen on.

As an adventure game Skyrim leaves much to be desired. Far too much.
As an RPG it is pathetically minimalistic.
As an exploration game it is dull and uneventful for the most part.
And as a dungeon crawler it is a fucking snoozefest. Whack away at the same enemies using the same weapons with the same tactics and repeat. Oh and when you level up enough you get to whack away even more health from their upgraded versions! Yay!

Remind me how Skyrim is not a shitty game again? I'm astonished people are still playing the piece of shit. They must've modded the game to oblivion cause the base game sucks hairy swamp-ass.
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I'm getting the feeling you might not be a fan of Skyrim. Which is fine, I think Fallout 3 and 4 are garbage. We are entitled to have these opinions for sure, especially here on NMA, but could you try to make it seem like you read the OP? Your comment just looks like you read the word Skyrim and went full metal jacket rage fest derail. I expected more of you Mr Fish.
 
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ZigzagPX4 said:
That's to be expected, Fallout 3 now only has a few hundred playing it. Time can change a lot. Plus there's two more factors - the Gamebryo Fallouts came from a much more piracy-ridden era (that's basically half a decade ago), and Steam Charts is a relatively new site founded mid-2012 so it doesn't count it all the way from the start.

I think the fact that while Fallout 3 and NV are technologically identical, NV remains with tens of thousands while FO3 only have three hundred or so says it all about longevity of Bethesda's Fallouts, with or without mods. The Elder Scrolls hits a much wider range of audiences on a different genre, so it's on a whole different scale compared to completely different games.
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Fallout 3 didn't force you to get Steam back then (a Windows Live game), so I think the amount of people still playing it on Steam is amazingly high. New Vegas was tied to Steam right from the beginning and was thus as piracy-ridden as is Fallout 4 now.
 
DirtyOldShoe said:
I'm getting the feeling you might not be a fan of Skyrim. Which is fine, I think Fallout 3 and 4 are garbage. We are entitled to have these opinions for sure, especially here on NMA, but could you try to make it seem like you read the OP? Your comment just looks like you read the word Skyrim and went full metal jacket rage fest derail. I expected more of you Mr Fish.
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I was more or less softly responding to ZigZag and kind of making a general statement about Skyrim.

Besides, it is still pertinent to the OP. Like I said, I'm astonished anyone is playing that piece of shit in the first place considering all of the flaws I listed. :lr:

I'm surprised Fallout 4 isn't played way more than Skyrim.

Also, don't expect more out of me. I'm just a fish for crying out loud.

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Actually, let me properly respond to your OP.
The reason is simple. Fallout 4 hasn't had any DLC released yet and doesn't have a whole lot of mods.
Skyrim has had DLC's released and has a shit ton of mods.
That's why Skyrim is still played and why Fallout 4 is losing players.
There's only so much you can do in a game before it is time to move on. Unless you can extend a game's longevity.
You can with Skyrim.
You can't with Fallout 4.
Doesn't necessarily mean Skyrim is a better game than Fallout 4.
 
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