BigGuyCIA
Yer fond of me Lobster!
Did you just fucking mansplain sexist? You pig.
STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI (HUGE SPOILERS EVERYWHERE)
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Did you just fucking mansplain sexist? You pig.
You are calling someone a pig? You Susist.
If a woman loves to be mansplained to, and finds that arousing even - is that sexist?
Arousal is already sexist, being a woman is already sexist, loving is sexist too, mansplaining also sexist... What I mean is, everything is sexist these days.
So to answer the question: Yes.
Juza The Cloud
Nanto Goshasei
Maybe is safe, its a gender queer word.
That's internalized misogyny, obivously.
Walpknut
This ghoul has seen it all
Mary Sue is a sexist term because it has a female name on it. Negative things can't have gendered names or it's super sexistststs regardless of the word being unisex or not.
Now let's talk about toxic masculitnity.
Now let's talk about toxic masculitnity.
Maybe we can change this, if we start to call Rey not Mery Stue, but Gary Stue? If people call you sexist then, you can call them Transphobic, because maybe secretly Rey identifies as a Homosexual male but is simply to afraid to come out of the closet - The Jedi are a religion after all.
I think a big problem with TLJ is that Rian Johnson wanted to subert every single trope and expectation there is. Which is not necessarily bad, but it requires a lot of skill to make a movie like that to be engaging and interesting.
Walpknut
This ghoul has seen it all
Yet it still is deribative of The Empire Strikes back. Failed subversion and failed storytelling.
Actually, I think it had somewhat of potential. It was burried under a lot of garbage but the premise isn't that awfull when I think about it. A conection between Kylo and Rey isn't so bad, but it should have ended a bit differently, particularly with Snoke. Maybe Rey and Kylo should have pretty much left everyone at the end of the movie to find their own solution or something like that. And if they removed the whole side plot that served no purpose what so ever, it could have been a decent flick.
But then ... this might actually be to complex for a Star Wars movie.
But then ... this might actually be to complex for a Star Wars movie.
Walpknut
This ghoul has seen it all
I think even the premise is pretty bad. Rey Waits in a planet for Luke to train her while Poe waits in his ship for the leaders to do anything, both plots get solved without agency from the protagonists, in fact their agency quickly leads to failure. Riveting.
Is limited as far as Sci-fi stories are concerned, specially High budget movies. The movie mostly takes place in 3 locations, where most of the action is talked about rather than shown. 2 of the 3 story arcs consists of literally the people in the story waiting for someone else to do something while they engage in as little action as possible. The other third of the movie is a story where 2 people are about to do something interesting but they quickly have to do something that only involves the 2 of them. It's the kinda writting you expect from a tv show that is running out of money and thus they need to keep the number of sets low, most of the action is spoken about or partaken by characters without name or face.
Is limited as far as Sci-fi stories are concerned, specially High budget movies. The movie mostly takes place in 3 locations, where most of the action is talked about rather than shown. 2 of the 3 story arcs consists of literally the people in the story waiting for someone else to do something while they engage in as little action as possible. The other third of the movie is a story where 2 people are about to do something interesting but they quickly have to do something that only involves the 2 of them. It's the kinda writting you expect from a tv show that is running out of money and thus they need to keep the number of sets low, most of the action is spoken about or partaken by characters without name or face.
YeeCop
Just a Sweet Irradiated Transvestite
One of the worst parts (and characters in the entire series) of "The Last Jedi" is Rose. She offers nothing new to the story line continuing off from
"The Force Awakens". All she does is throw a wrench in the fluidity of the movie. She's worse than Jar Jar, honestly.
Her sister (I presume) who had that five minute scene of reaching for the bomber ship detonator to destroy the Star Destroyer had way
less screen time than Rose did, and she's ten times better than Rose.
My little cousin loved the hell out of this movie; at least he enjoyed it. I didn't.
"The Force Awakens". All she does is throw a wrench in the fluidity of the movie. She's worse than Jar Jar, honestly.
Her sister (I presume) who had that five minute scene of reaching for the bomber ship detonator to destroy the Star Destroyer had way
less screen time than Rose did, and she's ten times better than Rose.
My little cousin loved the hell out of this movie; at least he enjoyed it. I didn't.
It's an example of in my opinion bad story telling, that has become somewhat a 'norm' in high budged movies, particularly by companies like Disney and the like.
For example, they should have made a scene where you see Rose and her sister actually engaging in some kind of interaction, like where they had a conversation before the battle, maybe even a little emotional fight or something. This gives characters more weight, particularly if they are meant to be important characters. That way, Rose sister was in my opinion just a random character that died.
I noticed that movies quite often leave to many important points of a movie for the audience to 'assume' while actually things that should be ambigous are explained in way to much detail ...
For example, they should have made a scene where you see Rose and her sister actually engaging in some kind of interaction, like where they had a conversation before the battle, maybe even a little emotional fight or something. This gives characters more weight, particularly if they are meant to be important characters. That way, Rose sister was in my opinion just a random character that died.
I noticed that movies quite often leave to many important points of a movie for the audience to 'assume' while actually things that should be ambigous are explained in way to much detail ...
Walpknut
This ghoul has seen it all
I disagree with part of that, I think that Rose's introduction was well done. We are told they are related by visual cues (the necklace) and seeing her just cry her eyes out. That part works well. I mean, you want her to awkwardly expo dump about even more shit?
The problem with her is that she is insufferable and badly acted after her introduction.
The problem with her is that she is insufferable and badly acted after her introduction.
Jogre
So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs
FTFY
Fixing other people's quotes is sexist.
Subverting expectations, especially in Star Wars, could have been a good thing. It often IS a good thing. The Thrawn Trilogy, in my opinion the best thing to come out of the Expanded Universe (and I don't really care about the Old Republic fluff), did subvert a lot of expectations as well. You have Luke not really knowing what to do, you have the Empire being competently led and not being that much of a dick all the time, you have the New Republic basically not getting shit done for the most part... The books are a logical continuation of RotJ. The way the established characters were continued makes sense, the new characters are interesting and mesh well with the old characters. It's awesome. Timothy Zahn subverted some expectations, keeping it interesting (not just dumping a new super weapon on the Empire that has to be destroyed with a trench run), while also writing books that feel distinctly Star Wars. Due to the Empire turning a bit more mellow and nice in some aspects (and less focused on Sith bollocks and human supremacy) it's no longer as clearly black&white morality, which is also reflected in Luke having some issues with his excessive use of the Force.
Rian Johnson did it differently. Apparently, he saw that people complained about TFA being a direct copy of ANH, and thought "Well, I'm gonna show you. I'll subvert ALL THE THINGS".
You expected Luke to come back to help people? HA! Here's Grumpy drinking space walrus milk!
You expected Finn to come to terms with his heroic calling (or at least act more like he was a soldier trained from childhood on)? HA! Here's Finn trying to desert again, and when he finally has a character development from "slapstick side character" to "hero who can save the Resistance with a heroic sacrifice"? HA AGAIN! Subverted like a badass mofo! Have a sappy line about somethingsomething love and hate and whatnot instead!
And so on, and so forth.
Basically every scene was some form of BAZINGA! moment where it forcefully subverts the viewers expectations. Sadly, pulling that kind of movie off requires some serious skill, and TLJ didn't show that. It ended up as a disjointed mess that doesn't go anywhere. Which is a subversion itself, of course. Did you expect a coherent story with character development, continuity, likable characters and little to no plotholes? HA! Good movies are bourgeouis, have a deconstruction of what Star Wars is instead!
Rian Johnson did it differently. Apparently, he saw that people complained about TFA being a direct copy of ANH, and thought "Well, I'm gonna show you. I'll subvert ALL THE THINGS".
You expected Luke to come back to help people? HA! Here's Grumpy drinking space walrus milk!
You expected Finn to come to terms with his heroic calling (or at least act more like he was a soldier trained from childhood on)? HA! Here's Finn trying to desert again, and when he finally has a character development from "slapstick side character" to "hero who can save the Resistance with a heroic sacrifice"? HA AGAIN! Subverted like a badass mofo! Have a sappy line about somethingsomething love and hate and whatnot instead!
And so on, and so forth.
Basically every scene was some form of BAZINGA! moment where it forcefully subverts the viewers expectations. Sadly, pulling that kind of movie off requires some serious skill, and TLJ didn't show that. It ended up as a disjointed mess that doesn't go anywhere. Which is a subversion itself, of course. Did you expect a coherent story with character development, continuity, likable characters and little to no plotholes? HA! Good movies are bourgeouis, have a deconstruction of what Star Wars is instead!