STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI (HUGE SPOILERS EVERYWHERE)

CT Phipps said:
We might actually get those now because Fox owned those volumes and now Disney owns the Fox owned SW assets.
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Who cares? I'm not stupid enough to give money to people who still want to milk a 40 year old movie. I've already watched the original trilogy about a hundred times each, I've listened JW's score for many many years, I've enjoyed playing many SW games that were released in the 90's and in the early 2000's. Yet, I'm not a fanboy who'd get excited about getting yet another copy of a 40 year old movie just to show off. Star Wars is over for me, I'd rather keep it as a good memory. Too bad the world disagrees with me and insists on fucking up every good memory I had of my childhood.
 
I really enjoyed it.
Probably my favorite of the series (although now I've had some time to let it sink in, I would say it's not the best in the series).

I thought it would be a rehash of Empire, but it didn't sink too far into that film.
There are glaring issues with the plot, and Finn's story could have really been cut (he should have ideally sacrificed himself at the end, giving his character some resolution or finality instead of Rose being a crazy person).

I liked the themes especially in this one, maybe I'm too much of a fan... But there was something rather Twin Peaks:The Returnish in this film (and it wasn't Laura Dern).

Overall, it's a film Star Wars fans will hate, but critics will love.
 
Walpknut said:
I don't take the first Order seriously because they are poorly developed and somehow even more cartoonish than the Empire. Where do they get their resources? How are they so huge? Why is Ginger Sideburns so high up the command chain? Is this shit on some crappy tie in book? Because fuck that.
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The books basically say the Empire fled to the Unknown Regions, took it over, and spent 20 years prepping for a rematch.

Ginger is high up because he's the son of the previous leader ala North Korea.

Could have all been spoken in the movies.
 
nkchan16 said:
Who cares? I'm not stupid enough to give money to people who still want to milk a 40 year old movie. I've already watched the original trilogy about a hundred times each, I've listened JW's score for many many years, I've enjoyed playing many SW games that were released in the 90's and in the early 2000's. Yet, I'm not a fanboy who'd get excited about getting yet another copy of a 40 year old movie just to show off. Star Wars is over for me, I'd rather keep it as a good memory. Too bad the world disagrees with me and insists on fucking up every good memory I had of my childhood.
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*Does Luke imitation*

"I care."
 
After initial feelings: looking back the movie really feels like they don't have any plan going forward with this trilogy and the guy writing it just used the first idea that came to his head every time without reconsidering or refining his ideas...
 
Walpknut said:
I don't take the first Order seriously because they are poorly developed and somehow even more cartoonish than the Empire. Where do they get their resources? How are they so huge? Why is Ginger Sideburns so high up the command chain? Is this shit on some crappy tie in book? Because fuck that.
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Yeah, it really reeks of atrociously bad writing and lack of creativity. What's probably making it worse, is that they are absolutely convinced to have done a faithfull job. As someone said, Star Wars has really become to large for its own good.
 
I just found out I am a year older than Daisy Ridley and i just don't know how to feel. Young heroes from fantasy stories are all younger than me now, I am officialy old now....

Snoke: You can't defeat me Rey, I have Telepathy! Altho I can only read thoughts in the most vague and general way possible!
 
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R.Graves said:
After initial feelings: looking back the movie really feels like they don't have any plan going forward with this trilogy and the guy writing it just used the first idea that came to his head every time without reconsidering or refining his ideas...
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The writer/director once commented that nothing had been written about Rey, Snoke, etc when he got the script. None of the major characters had their backgrounds fully fleshed out before they wrapped the first movie. There was no long term master plan for these 3 installments.

So because there was no playbook, they went with cliché bullshit rehashes, fan service, bad comedy and "see? you were wrong!" knee jerk reactions to fan theories. Obviously, that last sentence is mine & not the writer/director's.
 
I find that while this movie is basically Empire Strikes back in reverse order and not that good, It's a huge improvement over TFA considering this one actually COULD stand on its own, really, with some tuning it could have taken place of the 7th. It was really nice to look at most of the time with pretty great photography overall (got kind of sick of the panning drone shot of Jedi Island), even considering it had some REALLY cheap and shitty looking parts (Puppet Joda and Parfum Advert mirror?). It did world building a fair lot better and it got it pretty well at letting the bad guys get some screentime when they aren't being brutally murdered.

In the other hand, it has the now classic second trilogy Star Wars issues. Ill timed unfunny jokes, unbelievable convenience to the point of comedy, straight up unneeded parts, the absolute lack of stakes unless you're rooting for the bad guys, lack of actual maturity or at least measure, it actively defying logically assumed events just for shock value and patting the ego of people who really like to call it "Subversive" (no dumbass, that's just defying expectations and a bad instance of such as well), self-contradiction, etcetera.

The acting in general but for Mark Hamil acting basically as Jiraiya was wooden and unexpressive. Wait, no, I think that Adam Driver (Kylo Ren) did REALLY well and showed insane potential in the telepathic sections with Rey (who seems to be reading of a shopping list but she was alright in the rock pillar training scene and the telepathy parts). Albeit...
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Now I'm not going into the plot much because I have already but the start showed all the potential AND all the alarms. I keep getting fascinated at how the good guys get extra skills and tactical knowledge than a solely militaristic organization, and keep falling for their shit. A "knock knock" and "fangirl" gags five minutes in? Really? "How wow a dreadnought what a kickass craft" "Goodbye dreadnought you did nothinbg but shooting at an empty base and getting blown up by- SPACE BOMBERS WTF" I swear it broke my frail heart. I don't know if there's something wrong with me but I the only characters I can ever root for in SW is the bad guys, maybe except for the Prequels because those actually were more grey about it. And while they did slightly better showing them off, then... Well, Star Wars happens.

Also, what has happened to kisses in Star Wars? Even the infamous Anakin and Padme romance had better ones, fuck's sake!

I'd really like to be able to enjoy Star Wars without having to question every bloody thing, it's odd to feel that when I end up watching a lot of schlocky movies and I'm not even that huge of a fan of SW in the first place.
 
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I’d like to be cheeky and rent out a billboard along the Jersey Turnpike with a big picture of Gerorge Lucas and the words “miss me yet?” The words would be next to his pic ala those political billboards butthurt republicans put up in 09 when Obama was elected.
 
Well, at least the new Disney™ Star Wars™ are just offensively mediocre and not offensively bad like the prequels.
On the other hand, if they were completely terrible and shitty, the reviews (Plinkett especially) would probably be funnier.
 
So I guess I'm the only one who actually liked it...?

I mean, tbf, it's not for everyone, which is actually funny considering it is a Star Wars film.
 
Juza The Cloud said:
I’d like to be cheeky and rent out a billboard along the Jersey Turnpike with a big picture of Gerorge Lucas and the words “miss me yet?”
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Yeah... so far the new films aren't as horribly written as the prequel trilogy (they're just harmless mediocrity rather than actively harmful of the franchise via a single person's unedited ramblings mistaken for writing) so I wouldn't want Lucas back.
 
I’m no prequel apologist, they are the prodoct of not having studio bean counters pushing back against Lucas’s over indulgent urges. Personally this just cements in my mind how Dave Feloni should get another chance this time with a live action film. The way Clone Wars and Rebels have been handled has been penance for his sins.

What has been apparent was just how little JJ and Rian were on the same page. Rian began writing this film before Force Awakens had been released and had not seen it at the time of filming.Things like that become apparent to me after viewing. Now I’m not saying they should have been in simpatico with both of thier visions but at the same time; thier is quite a dissconnect. For instance how JJ set up Snoke only to have Rian subvert him. I didn’t care for JJ's mystery box style nor Rian’s style either. Snice being sold to Disney they have not hit it out of the park for me. Everything’s been meh. Having to wait until the third film in the trilogy to get a proper lightsaber duel between Rey and Kylo is disconcerning to say the least.
 
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Actually, did TLJ have ANY sweep transitions? It didn't right? That is one welcome and bold move, I must say. Not much else, though.

On Snoke; if he was to be killed and show hooooow much more different this trilogy is? They should have killed him in the FIRST movie. And as I've said, for all I care this could hav been the 7th, and with some little tweaks, I don't think it's that crazy of an idea. CHaracter arcs were literally reset to repeat again for this movie, so maybe not even all that work.

Juza The Cloud said:
Personally this just cements in my mind how Dave Feloni should get another chance this time with a live action film. The way Clone Wars and Rebels have been handled has been penance for his sins.
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They've really dropped the ball for the time of Rebels, IMO. Very Disney chanel banalshitboring cartoon except Star Wars! Nevermind that the OT setting just has less game. But yeah, I'd really like them to get to do something on the bigger scale again. Hell, it can stay animated for.
 
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