The Czechs scoop the world: new Fallout 3 screenshots

Nobody made them do anything. Bethesda asked them, they did it.

I'm sorry, but that says more about how much DaC has become Bethesda's little bitch than it says about Bethesda.
 
Ctaylor said:
I tried very hard to get those changed to Jeeps or something more fitting to the period, but I was overruled.
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It brings a bit of joy to my blackened heart :) .

Speaking of the Fallout setting...
I was impressed by amount of backstory and technical detail for Mr. Handy. I always wondered how much backstory was done for weapons in Fallout - for example if there was some kind of weapon development history, what actually is AK-112, etc.

DocConrad said:
How did such a heated debate over the hariness of deathclaws arise from 4 screenshots entirely devoid of them?
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The ways of NMAism are mysterious and incomprehensible to uninitiated.

Morbus said:
That's the downgrading of expectations. Don't let it get to you. Tictacs' quality didn't change after FOPOS was released, even though that, in comparison with it, Tictacs is a masterpiece. Just always compare games to the highest possible example. Not the worse.

At least that's the way I see it.
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I agree with you, Morbus.
We mustn't allow our standards to degenerate. We must move forward, always forward, never retreating, until the Final Victory is reached.
Gott Mit Uns!
 
Brother None said:
Nobody made them do anything. Bethesda asked them, they did it.

I'm sorry, but that says more about how much DaC has become Bethesda's little bitch than it says about Bethesda.
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To ME, it says more about who WE are than anything else. Unless of course Bethesda didn't ask us? And that makes DaC Bethesda's little bitch indeed. Well, they've gotta grow somehow, but they're selling their soul to the devil me thinks...
 
I discussed the matter with Matt Grandstaff, but he didn't ask me. He knows better than that, because he already knows what I would say.
 
Brother None said:
Nobody made them do anything. Bethesda asked them, they did it.

I'm sorry, but that says more about how much DaC has become Bethesda's little bitch than it says about Bethesda.
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Wow.......you okay lately, BN?? Maybe I just never paid much attention to you, but you seem a little less.....mature lately.
I guess I expected better from you. :roll:

Oh, and Morbus - please believe me when I say DaC is NOT Bethesda's bitch. Nor ever will be. I think our members are full of much more unadulterated venom and hatred towards Bethfagstakeituptheassda than NMA members.

:twisted:
 
cazsim83 said:
Wow.......you okay lately, BN?? Maybe I just never paid much attention to you, but you seem a little less.....mature lately.
I guess I expected better from you. :roll:
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You expected better than calling it what it is? Bethesda asks the DaC heads to remove the links to pictures, not even pictures, and they willingly roll over in compliance.

That is not a comment on the DaC membership, but if you think it's unrepresentative of the community's attitude, speak to KoC about it. Don't blame me for speaking the truth, no matter how much that unnerves you.

cazsim83 said:
I think our members are full of much more unadulterated venom and hatred towards Bethfagstakeituptheassda than NMA members.
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I'm sorry, but do you honestly believe anyone even remembers who DaC is these days?

Bethesda's PR every now and again curries the favour of your heads in the hope to be able to use your site as a representative that NMA are a bunch of extremist idiots and real Fallout fans love their game. In reply, DaC has...what? Posted goatse in the Wasteland? Yeah, I'm sure they're shaking in their booties.
 
fallout ranger said:
And there's no need to throw insults...no put-downs children.
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I'm not, I'm calling the situation like I see it. I really can't help reality. DaC has focused on being a fun, slightly insane community with a lot of crazy stuff going on. And that's fine, there's nothing wrong with that, but you shouldn't be offended when people then do not take you seriously.

This isn't about the classic DaC-NMA rivalry because that rivalry is gone. I would love to see DaC return to the fray as a prominent opinion and news site (if for nothing else than to get some of the heat away from us), but you're simply not there.
 
cazsim83 said:
Oh, and Morbus - please believe me when I say DaC is NOT Bethesda's bitch. Nor ever will be. I think our members are full of much more unadulterated venom and hatred towards Bethfagstakeituptheassda than NMA members.
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Okay then, let it come out.

I kind of like the idea of giving Bethesda the impression that they got some poisonous animal when they purchased the Fallout franchise and that it is now moving free through their offices, watching and waiting for the right moment to strike.
 
That is not a comment on the DaC membership, but if you think it's unrepresentative of the community's attitude, speak to KoC about it. Don't blame me for speaking the truth, no matter how much that unnerves you.
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Well I wouldn't be too hard on KoC (lolz), his life is pretty hectic these days, so he seems a bit off about what's going on.

I think our members are full of much more unadulterated venom and hatred towards Bethfagstakeituptheassda than NMA members.
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Yeah, you guys are pretty crrraaazzzyyyy these days. Funny thing is when going to all the places in the net NMA gets all the heat, I don't know how you do it.
 
Briosafreak said:
That is not a comment on the DaC membership, but if you think it's unrepresentative of the community's attitude, speak to KoC about it. Don't blame me for speaking the truth, no matter how much that unnerves you.
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Well I wouldn't be too hard on KoC (lolz), his life is pretty hectic these days, so he seems a bit off about what's going on.

Yeah, you guys are pretty crrraaazzzyyyy these days. Funny thing is when going to all the places in the net NMA gets all the heat, I don't know how you do it.
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I think it is unrep - I'd like to take the easy way out and link to where KoC said he hadn't logged in for a bit because he was moving apartments, etc etc - but I won't. If he made a decision to remove pics, for whatever reason, I think that the members at DaC can handle that - have you spoken to him? Do you know if there is any reasoning behind WHY he removed them? Like I stated before, this doesn't seem like the BN that I (thought I) knew. Oh, and puh-leez, "unnerves" me? ROFL. No, sir it does not. I just can't tell you about our secret plans to break into Bethesda's main office and firebomb the place in the spirit of Fallout. 8-)

NMA gets ALL the heat? Perhaps. Perhaps not. But I do know that I discovered NMA long before I discovered DaC - but DaC is the site that got me to finally join an internet discussion forum. Maybe for all the "crrraaazzzyy" people - but our heyday isn't over. Not by a long shot.

But that's really not the point of the discussion, is it? The point is that DaC is most certainly NOT Bethesda's bitch. Nor ever will be. If it does become that way, you can bet true Fallout fans will abandon it like a rat fleeing a sinking ship. Maybe to drown. But for the moment, it is an outlet to vent our bile-filled mouths any time we hear Bethesda and Fallout in the same sentence. And sometimes when we hear just one in a sentence.

But, how about raise the argument either to KoC directly, or in a public setting at DaC. Hell, make a thread. At least then it won't seem like you're talking shit in your little group of friends, and perhaps you'd get a real answer, instead of unfounded rumors and assumptions. And you know what they say when you assume - it makes you seem like a dumbfuck.

Hope this post doesn't get me banned - the mods here at NMA seem slightly more tolerant than those over at RPGCodex - well, except for Wooz. He's a fucking asshole. :wink:
 
cazsim83 said:
NMA gets ALL the heat? Perhaps. Perhaps not.
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No, the answer is: yes.

cazsim83 said:
but our heyday isn't over.
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Prove it.

cazsim83 said:
The point is that DaC is most certainly NOT Bethesda's bitch. Nor ever will be.
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The facts seem to speak against you.

cazsim83 said:
But, how about raise the argument either to KoC directly, or in a public setting at DaC.
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Yeah, it's not like that isn't the first thing I did. So far all I see is a lot of people with the same viewpoint as me and nobody of the DaC staff offering any answers at all. What, are you going to blame that on me?

cazsim83 said:
Hope this post doesn't get me banned
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What?
 
cazsim83 said:
Oh, and Morbus - please believe me when I say DaC is NOT Bethesda's bitch. Nor ever will be. I think our members are full of much more unadulterated venom and hatred towards Bethfagstakeituptheassda than NMA members.

:twisted:
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I believe you cazsim83, I believe you, whoever you are. I believe you because I have a reason to believe, I want to believe that there are good people on Earth still...

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Anyway, I'd like to here KoC's word on this, and judge things afterwards... But the facts do seem to speak against cazsim83...
 
DaC will never get past the goatse thing. You can't really let something like that slide, boot the original owner, and then let some little kids take over (just because they can pay for the site), and still expect people to take you seriously.

I agree with the original owner that DaC should have died. Well actually it did. It's just DaC in name only now.. perfect site for supporting Fallout 3 eh?
 
NMA gets all the heat? Please. The only thing I've seen so far that gives me any pause for thought has been the registration process. Oh, and thanks for help BTW :wink:

(Prove it) - Okay, point to something else that shows DaC has backed down from Bethesda? (We are still waiting on KoC's response, are we not - so the removal of the pics in question doesn't count - heck, maybe they threatened KoC's life, or have pics of him gettin' some fuzzy lovin - we'll just have to see)

(Facts speak against) - Uh..........for one thing? I don't see how that makes us whipping boys? Which we still don't know the answer to - and thanks to Fallout Ranger, the pics are happily displayed in the thread in question.

(Exactly what I did) - okay. I concede. Thank you for being so mature and rational. :clap:

(banned/what?) - Glad to see NMA isn't quite as censor-happy as RPGCodex. NET!!!! not .COM!!!!!

Morbus said:
I believe you cazsim83, I believe you, whoever you are. I believe you because I have a reason to believe, I want to believe that there are good people on Earth still...

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Anyway, I'd like to here KoC's word on this, and judge things afterwards... But the facts do seem to speak against cazsim83...
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Thanks for the support, Morbus. And that's pretty much what I'm waiting for - KoC's word. I've already PM'ed him, but seeing as how me and him don't exactly "kick it" after work or anything, I can't exactly call him up. Darn the internet and it's patience producing posting.

Oh, and PaladinHeart - :roll:

PaladinHeart said:
DaC will never get past the goatse thing. You can't really let something like that slide, boot the original owner, and then let some little kids take over (just because they can pay for the site), and still expect people to take you seriously.

I agree with the original owner that DaC should have died. Well actually it did. It's just DaC in name only now.. perfect site for supporting Fallout 3 eh?
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I can't agree with that. I only know a little bit about the history of DaC, so immediately I have to bow to your superior knowledge of DaC's past, whether accurate or not. But what little I do know says this - I don't see much in the way of superior posting, intellect, etc here at NMA either. So even if you guys are so much older and wiser, it sure as hell doesn't show, at least not in your posts. DaC should've died? Wow. The goatse, fisting, tubigirl, 2girls1cup, etc etc etc - yeah, that's hard to live down. But hell, look at Bill Clinton - getting your dick sucked in the White House makes for some pretty sweet publicity. Worse things have happened than Goatse - it is by no means the death knell of DaC. IMWorthlessO, the little time I have been at DaC I've seen some of the worst offenders clean up their act, leave, or get booted (myself included) - I've seen new regular posters, plenty of "old timers", some of which I still have no clue who they are. DaC did not die, should not have died, and (I hope) will never die.

And seriously...supporting Fallout 3? Nigga please. I have more venom in a word than you can produce in a forum full of threads. Get serious or GTFO.
 
cazsim83 said:
(Prove it) - Okay, point to something else that shows DaC has backed down from Bethesda? (We are still waiting on KoC's response, are we not - so the removal of the pics in question doesn't count - heck, maybe they threatened KoC's life, or have pics of him gettin' some fuzzy lovin - we'll just have to see)

(Facts speak against) - Uh..........for one thing? I don't see how that makes us whipping boys? Which we still don't know the answer to - and thanks to Fallout Ranger, the pics are happily displayed in the thread in question.
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I'm sorry, but I'm starting to wonder how long you've been around. Ask any DaCer, they'll know better than me, DaC turned into Bethesda's whipping boy when Mr Teatime took over (sorry, Teas, you know I love ya) and has since been steadily fading out of sight out of mind. While No Mutants Allowed has been threatened with lawsuits, reviled in public by the media, constantly discussed on the Bethesda forum and pissing Bethesda off by confusing their hype with such things as releasing the Van Buren demo with amusing timing or doing a Fallout 3 preview, where was DaC, and what have they done?

How exactly do you expect me to prove DaC hasn't done anything for some time now. I can point to the nothing and say "hey, look, there's not anything" but I doubt that's very convincing.

I feel you simply don't know all the facts. You might want to reconsider how passionately you're attacking me for being unreasonable when you really don't know what's going on. What is it you said about people who do that?

As for DaC's special friend status, well, consider DaC got an interview with Todd Howard over NMA (which is more than 4 times the size of DaC). What do you think that was based on, that preferential treatment? Were you around to witness KoC' openly hurt reaction when it turned out Bethesda had shown the Fallout 3 demo to a lot of media but not invited DaC? NMA has been rowing against the current while DaC has been taking it up the ass and smiling.

I'm not sure what you're thinking in asking me to give you a concise history of DaC's sucking cock. How about you find me one instance of DaC standing up to Bethesda or doing something Bethesda dislikes, instead?
 
Yeah, DAC is pretty much undead nowadays as a Fallout fansite. Hell, I'm still a DAC admin and I don't even visit DAC anymore because it pretty much no longer has anything of interest to me. The only valuable thing to the Fallout community to come from DAC in the recent years is The Vault, and it's no longer a part of DAC.
 
The Vault didn't come from DaC, the Vault came from Ausir. Sad but true, the only thing I remember the DaC community contributing was getting banned a few times for wiki vandalism :roll:

It's sad, because the Fallout community was much stronger when NMA and DaC were equals or when a third, good site was added. Now we're just leaving up niche space for the first I Love Fallout 3 site. That's just shit. I realise NMA is partially to blame, having become so big it's squatting out other sites with its big round ass, but DaC is the only one in any position to challenge the hegemony. And what are they doing with it? Not a thing.
 
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