The Guns and Ammo Thread
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WillisPDunlevey
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That looks a lot like a smith and wesson top break (and the front looks very much like a schofield or any other smith and wesson from the 1870s
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So this isn't really a gun post, but it is an accessory post. I picked up some new AR500 steel plate targets a day or two ago, and just got them painted up:
Also on the accessory front, I happened to take a couple pictures of one of my Pelicans while waiting for the paint to dry:
Also on the accessory front, I happened to take a couple pictures of one of my Pelicans while waiting for the paint to dry:
What is that top weapon? And how much? etc...
I've posted it on here before a couple times. It's just a short AR15.
Specifically:
7.5" Noveske Afgan barrel, Vltor MUR upper, VTAC forearm, LMT Defender lower, and Ops M4S can. It's sporting an old set of PRI flip sites and a smooth Magpul MIAD prototype grip from a few years back. EOTech 552 on top.
Price range, it's hard to say. Probably in the neighborhood of $2300 all put together, plus $400 in tax stamps. The gun itself is probably in the neighborhood of $1500 or so, with the EOTech, M4S, and back-up irons making up the rests. If I shopped around or made minor component change, I probably could have saved a couple hundred, but it is configured as I want it and from vendors I like. NFA is not for the faint of wallet.
Specifically:
7.5" Noveske Afgan barrel, Vltor MUR upper, VTAC forearm, LMT Defender lower, and Ops M4S can. It's sporting an old set of PRI flip sites and a smooth Magpul MIAD prototype grip from a few years back. EOTech 552 on top.
Price range, it's hard to say. Probably in the neighborhood of $2300 all put together, plus $400 in tax stamps. The gun itself is probably in the neighborhood of $1500 or so, with the EOTech, M4S, and back-up irons making up the rests. If I shopped around or made minor component change, I probably could have saved a couple hundred, but it is configured as I want it and from vendors I like. NFA is not for the faint of wallet.
I'd love to get several NFA items, but I just can't work up the effort to go through all the bullshit hoops the government wants us to jump through and all the extra costs it involves.
It grinds my ass what with the level of clear "infringement" of our rights that the government has pretty much ignored the constitution.
I just don't feel like being party to that bureaucratic fuckery.
It grinds my ass what with the level of clear "infringement" of our rights that the government has pretty much ignored the constitution.
I just don't feel like being party to that bureaucratic fuckery.
If suppressors were legal here, I'd likely have them for nearly all my guns...
Nice stuff, as always Johnny. Wish I could plink on some AR500 plates outside sometime.
Nice stuff, as always Johnny. Wish I could plink on some AR500 plates outside sometime.
In honor of yet another election cycle where nobody was shot for whom they might vote for, despite our country being about as divided as it has been since the early 70's, I picked this up today:
Actually, the timing was a bit coincidental.
I just got back from the gun shop, and didn't have a whole bunch of sunlight left (curse you, DST), so this photo is a bit quick and dirty.
Anyways, Springfield XD Tactical in 9mm with OD frame. Always wanted one of these. Designed in Croatia, made in Brazil, and marketed like hell in the good old United States.
Actually, the timing was a bit coincidental.
I just got back from the gun shop, and didn't have a whole bunch of sunlight left (curse you, DST), so this photo is a bit quick and dirty.
Anyways, Springfield XD Tactical in 9mm with OD frame. Always wanted one of these. Designed in Croatia, made in Brazil, and marketed like hell in the good old United States.
Double post! Ban his ass! 
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Well, this is the big weekend for me. I've rented a table at a gun show and I have 16 firearms I plan to sell, if good fortune is with me.
Of course, it won't hurt that there will be a gun buying feeding frenzy of historic proportions this weekend, since this will be the first gun show since the Election.
I expect the aisles to be full and the money to be flowing freely. Hope so, anyway. I have a little less than $4,000.00 invested in the guns I'm selling and expect to clear $6,000.00 by Sunday afternoon.
Gun prices have skyrocketed in the past four years, so at least - as painful as it is to sell anything from my collection - I should be amply rewarded for my efforts.
The only firearm I want to purchase is the LMT .308 MWS with a 16" barrel, which will run about $2,500.00 - if not at the show, either from gunbroker online or there is a dealer in Jackson who carries them.
Lewis Machine and Tool .308 CQB rifle
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Well, this is the big weekend for me. I've rented a table at a gun show and I have 16 firearms I plan to sell, if good fortune is with me.
Of course, it won't hurt that there will be a gun buying feeding frenzy of historic proportions this weekend, since this will be the first gun show since the Election.
I expect the aisles to be full and the money to be flowing freely. Hope so, anyway. I have a little less than $4,000.00 invested in the guns I'm selling and expect to clear $6,000.00 by Sunday afternoon.
Gun prices have skyrocketed in the past four years, so at least - as painful as it is to sell anything from my collection - I should be amply rewarded for my efforts.
The only firearm I want to purchase is the LMT .308 MWS with a 16" barrel, which will run about $2,500.00 - if not at the show, either from gunbroker online or there is a dealer in Jackson who carries them.
Lewis Machine and Tool .308 CQB rifle
Phil the Nuka-Cola Dude
Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!
Nice slavglock Johnny. Not a fan of OD, but it actually looks good on that XD.
Currently trying to get my hands on a CZ75BD or SP-01 Tactical. After calling pretty much every store in the bay area, nobody has the 75BD (or even a 75B for that matter), and only two stores have the SP-01 Tac. Both have gouged the fuck out of their prices.
Going to hit up the fun show on Dec 1st, but I don't expect the prices to be anything less than ridiculous.
Fucking elections.
Currently trying to get my hands on a CZ75BD or SP-01 Tactical. After calling pretty much every store in the bay area, nobody has the 75BD (or even a 75B for that matter), and only two stores have the SP-01 Tac. Both have gouged the fuck out of their prices.
Going to hit up the fun show on Dec 1st, but I don't expect the prices to be anything less than ridiculous.
Fucking elections.
Obama is a two-edged sword for gun show sales.
Everybody wants to buy, but nobody has any money. Sales have not been brisk and the less expensive stuff is selling, just not as much going on as I had hoped.
Maybe today will be a better sales day?
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Recap: Sold nine out of sixteen firearms at the show, making $3000 in two days, plus I traded a rifle for a Beretta PX4 Storm in .45 auto and $300 cash.
That trade was worth a grand, and I may have another trade for three rifles for the LMT MWS in .308 that I've been hankering for.
Not bad for sitting on my butt and talking guns to hillbillys, rednecks, and mutants of one kind or another...
Everybody wants to buy, but nobody has any money. Sales have not been brisk and the less expensive stuff is selling, just not as much going on as I had hoped.
Maybe today will be a better sales day?
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Recap: Sold nine out of sixteen firearms at the show, making $3000 in two days, plus I traded a rifle for a Beretta PX4 Storm in .45 auto and $300 cash.
That trade was worth a grand, and I may have another trade for three rifles for the LMT MWS in .308 that I've been hankering for.
Not bad for sitting on my butt and talking guns to hillbillys, rednecks, and mutants of one kind or another...
Just got back from a few days in Florida. I've mentioned from time to time that I worked at a gun store while in college. It was the most fun I've ever had on a job, and the least I've ever been paid. When I started there, it was a shop that catered primarily to the local hunters and trap shooters. Not my thing per se, but I was still selling guns and went home happy at the end of most days.
Anyways, the owners decided to hire a friend of mine as the new shop manager. He filled vacancies with other like-minded people, and in fairly short order, we transformed the shop into a significant local player on the law enforcement, tactical, and higher-end markets. Several of my friends parlayed the experience into positions with tier 1 manufacturers, while others now teach military & law enforcement. Some of the best guys I've ever met.
I had the privilege of attending my friend's wedding this past weekend. We took the assorted brothers and in-laws and what-not, most of whom were from California and New Jersey, out to a range with us. They had very little exposure to firearms outside of movies and video games, so it was all new to them. We burned through two cases of .223, a case of .308, a bunch of 6.8 and .300 BLK, .22lr, 9mm, and 90 rounds of 12 gauge in the course of about three hours.
I usually don't post a lot of pictures of other people's guns, but there was some neat stuff I thought I'd share:
Big table of guns. Since I flew on short notice, I couldn't bring any of my shorty rifles or shotguns. I did bring a Noveske gun with a silencer, but I've posted it already a number of times, so I will spare you guys of any repeats.
Gun in the center is a Knight's Armament SR-25 ECC. I want it very bad, and it isn't cheap. Nor is the Schmidt & Bender Short Dot sitting on top of it. This thing is absolutely fantastic. Light weight, but you don't get rocked around by it. Very smooth. There is one for sale at the shop, but at just shy of $5k, I'd rather it break my heart than my wife break my arm.
So very, very awesome.
The venerable Heckler & Koch MP5 in 9mm. It's been around something like 50 years, but the classics never age. Given that it is light and fairly small, this thing is very controllable on full auto. On three round burst, it was no challenge at all to keep them all on the steel plate at 50 yards. Full auto just required a little fore-thought to keep the majority on the plate as well. This is a contemporary dealer sample. Transferables go for around $15K, so I won't be buying my own any time soon.
For SuA, the FN Scar. Sorry to say that I want to like it, but it doesn't do anything for me that my ARs don't already. I can kind of see the use of the Scar 17 as a very light weight infantry .308, but the Scar 16 isn't worth the price to me. I do own an FN PSS, an FN SLP, and a Hi-Power, so I am willing to show the Belgians some love in other things.
Back to the SR-25 ECC, because it is pure awesomeness.
In terms of pure unobtanium, the above is the Heckler & Koch HK-416. We used it with a Surefire 60 round magazine to knock the plate rack over, but it wasn't quite controllable enough to do it at 50 yards. Aside from the fact that it is made from Unicorn tears and forged in the dying light of dwarf stars, it didn't seem all that different from most other M-16s I've shot.
An AAC gun in 300 BLK. I'm on the fence about this one. Looks good on paper, and very quiet. My buddy is heavily invested in it's commercial success, and hypes it quite a bit. I liked shooting it, but I haven't gone that route for the same reasons I've stayed away from 6.8 and 5.7; ammo availability. I don't want something with only one commercial source of ammo or very limited market availability. Figure I will give it another year or two to see how things shake out.
I really like this gun. I ordered the parts to put one together after this weekend. You forget just how ridiculously light these things were before we bolted on 5 tons of crap. I'm not going to stop bolting on 5 tons of crap, but I will keep one of them as simple as possible to stay in touch with my roots.
Dammit: I am glad you had some luck at the show. It's a good time to be in the rifle selling business, but not as good as 2008 was, likely for the reasons you mentioned. Ammo availability is way better then I thought it would be. Some of that is increased production capacity and the winding down of two wars, but a lot of it is also the fact that folks are broke. It's a mixed blessing.
Anyways, the owners decided to hire a friend of mine as the new shop manager. He filled vacancies with other like-minded people, and in fairly short order, we transformed the shop into a significant local player on the law enforcement, tactical, and higher-end markets. Several of my friends parlayed the experience into positions with tier 1 manufacturers, while others now teach military & law enforcement. Some of the best guys I've ever met.
I had the privilege of attending my friend's wedding this past weekend. We took the assorted brothers and in-laws and what-not, most of whom were from California and New Jersey, out to a range with us. They had very little exposure to firearms outside of movies and video games, so it was all new to them. We burned through two cases of .223, a case of .308, a bunch of 6.8 and .300 BLK, .22lr, 9mm, and 90 rounds of 12 gauge in the course of about three hours.
I usually don't post a lot of pictures of other people's guns, but there was some neat stuff I thought I'd share:
Big table of guns. Since I flew on short notice, I couldn't bring any of my shorty rifles or shotguns. I did bring a Noveske gun with a silencer, but I've posted it already a number of times, so I will spare you guys of any repeats.
Gun in the center is a Knight's Armament SR-25 ECC. I want it very bad, and it isn't cheap. Nor is the Schmidt & Bender Short Dot sitting on top of it. This thing is absolutely fantastic. Light weight, but you don't get rocked around by it. Very smooth. There is one for sale at the shop, but at just shy of $5k, I'd rather it break my heart than my wife break my arm.
So very, very awesome.
The venerable Heckler & Koch MP5 in 9mm. It's been around something like 50 years, but the classics never age. Given that it is light and fairly small, this thing is very controllable on full auto. On three round burst, it was no challenge at all to keep them all on the steel plate at 50 yards. Full auto just required a little fore-thought to keep the majority on the plate as well. This is a contemporary dealer sample. Transferables go for around $15K, so I won't be buying my own any time soon.
For SuA, the FN Scar. Sorry to say that I want to like it, but it doesn't do anything for me that my ARs don't already. I can kind of see the use of the Scar 17 as a very light weight infantry .308, but the Scar 16 isn't worth the price to me. I do own an FN PSS, an FN SLP, and a Hi-Power, so I am willing to show the Belgians some love in other things.
Back to the SR-25 ECC, because it is pure awesomeness.
In terms of pure unobtanium, the above is the Heckler & Koch HK-416. We used it with a Surefire 60 round magazine to knock the plate rack over, but it wasn't quite controllable enough to do it at 50 yards. Aside from the fact that it is made from Unicorn tears and forged in the dying light of dwarf stars, it didn't seem all that different from most other M-16s I've shot.
An AAC gun in 300 BLK. I'm on the fence about this one. Looks good on paper, and very quiet. My buddy is heavily invested in it's commercial success, and hypes it quite a bit. I liked shooting it, but I haven't gone that route for the same reasons I've stayed away from 6.8 and 5.7; ammo availability. I don't want something with only one commercial source of ammo or very limited market availability. Figure I will give it another year or two to see how things shake out.
I really like this gun. I ordered the parts to put one together after this weekend. You forget just how ridiculously light these things were before we bolted on 5 tons of crap. I'm not going to stop bolting on 5 tons of crap, but I will keep one of them as simple as possible to stay in touch with my roots.
Dammit: I am glad you had some luck at the show. It's a good time to be in the rifle selling business, but not as good as 2008 was, likely for the reasons you mentioned. Ammo availability is way better then I thought it would be. Some of that is increased production capacity and the winding down of two wars, but a lot of it is also the fact that folks are broke. It's a mixed blessing.
Johnny - stop that. Seriously, my list of wants just tripled you heartless bastard. 
I've decided to try another show, not this weekend, but the next in Hattiesburg.
I've got the three rifles I didn't sell still available and the two pistols and some ammo I have for guns I no longer own. (part of my cutting back policy, fewer calibers in the cache to stock)
I'm going to take a few knives, bayonets, sheaths, holsters, and various crap piled up in my junk drawers. (I'll need that one day!)
I noticed at the last show, the small stuff brought people looking and then people came to see what the gathering was about.
I also noticed my profit margin was much greater on the cheap stuff. So I bought a S&W Model 36 nickel plated .38 chiefs special with the round butt for $300 today. I'll polish it up, clean the grips and put a price tag of $450 on it and see what happens.
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I was going to post a pic of the Beretta PX4 Storm in .45 I just got, but that seems rather anti-climatic after you just posted pics of so much awesome firepower...
I've decided to try another show, not this weekend, but the next in Hattiesburg.
I've got the three rifles I didn't sell still available and the two pistols and some ammo I have for guns I no longer own. (part of my cutting back policy, fewer calibers in the cache to stock)
I'm going to take a few knives, bayonets, sheaths, holsters, and various crap piled up in my junk drawers. (I'll need that one day!)
I noticed at the last show, the small stuff brought people looking and then people came to see what the gathering was about.
I also noticed my profit margin was much greater on the cheap stuff. So I bought a S&W Model 36 nickel plated .38 chiefs special with the round butt for $300 today. I'll polish it up, clean the grips and put a price tag of $450 on it and see what happens.
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I was going to post a pic of the Beretta PX4 Storm in .45 I just got, but that seems rather anti-climatic after you just posted pics of so much awesome firepower...
Don't think I've posted this set up recently: It's my SAN SwissArms SG551SB (aka Sig 551 SWAT) with a Aimpoint M3 in lower 2/3rd cowitness.
I usually don't use the B&T quad rail though, just put it on for show.
As for the HK416/HK417, Johnny? Well, here the european civilian versions are gathering a rather bad reputation at my local range. I've seen two MR223 and one MR308 and all three failed hard preventing the shooter from continuing shooting. One even required gunsmithing to get going again.
I also know a Norwegian conscript that absolutely hated his norwegian model HK416 Navy. Butt pads falling off constantly, gasblock shenanigans, reliability issues,...
On the other hand Norwegian SF seems to be happy enough with them?
Oh and sure, the FN SCAR 16s really doesn't do anything magically better than any of your AR15s. But I do view it as a slight improvement. Accurate, reliable & almost entirely ambi. That's a step forward in my book, but only a babystep.
The stock bothers me most on the SCAR, feels a bit flimsy & doesn't do the gun credit.
(I'm a big ambi fan, I think it's inexcusable that any rifle made or at least designed today does not have ambi controls. I know it's a non-issue for most, but it's also the reason why I don't consider buying a vanilla AR15. I'd want an AXTS AX556 lower if I did get one, but those are not available here.)
I usually don't use the B&T quad rail though, just put it on for show.
As for the HK416/HK417, Johnny? Well, here the european civilian versions are gathering a rather bad reputation at my local range. I've seen two MR223 and one MR308 and all three failed hard preventing the shooter from continuing shooting. One even required gunsmithing to get going again.
I also know a Norwegian conscript that absolutely hated his norwegian model HK416 Navy. Butt pads falling off constantly, gasblock shenanigans, reliability issues,...
On the other hand Norwegian SF seems to be happy enough with them?
Oh and sure, the FN SCAR 16s really doesn't do anything magically better than any of your AR15s. But I do view it as a slight improvement. Accurate, reliable & almost entirely ambi. That's a step forward in my book, but only a babystep.
The stock bothers me most on the SCAR, feels a bit flimsy & doesn't do the gun credit.
(I'm a big ambi fan, I think it's inexcusable that any rifle made or at least designed today does not have ambi controls. I know it's a non-issue for most, but it's also the reason why I don't consider buying a vanilla AR15. I'd want an AXTS AX556 lower if I did get one, but those are not available here.)
valcik
So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs
Whoa, must be a Chinese replica!SuAside said:
HK 416s are used even by members of Slovakian 5th Regiment of Special assignment, I haven't heard of such a troubles though.
I do have some evidence of the claims though. Pics with butt pads taped in place so they don't lose them in the woods etc. :svalcik said:Whoa, must be a Chinese replica!
HK 416s are used even by members of Slovakian 5th Regiment of Special assignment, I haven't heard of such a troubles though.
I don't personally know of anyone in the US Military who is issued a 416 or 417. I have no doubt they are in the inventory, I just don't know anyone with one. The private contractor world is a different story, with much more diversity in gear. I have one actual friend and one acquaintance (friend of that friend) who were issued 416s from their firms. Both were ambivalent. The complaints I remember were that the 1st gen PMAGs that were near ubiquitous in Iraq and Afghanistan didn't work with them, and that sand was not their friend either.
On the civilian side of things, the uppers are insanely expensive, running close to $4k used. I understand the folks who want them for their rarity here. That aside, they don't do much for me.
On the civilian side of things, the uppers are insanely expensive, running close to $4k used. I understand the folks who want them for their rarity here. That aside, they don't do much for me.
Evil Neville
First time out of the vault
Not as fancy as your high tech space age gadgets but this thing was made to get the job done. And still does, 30 years later. My old TT. (Not the picture of my piece but the same model)
UniversalWolf
eaten by a grue.
I have a few old (but nice) hunting rifles and shotguns I'm looking to unload, and I'd be interested in any general advice you guys have since you do way more buying and selling than I do.