The Guns and Ammo Thread

yea, i agree with DB.

if you are going to hunt, do it on wild animals. doing it to "pets" just smacks of cruelty, especially when botched to the point it takes 3 hrs for one of these domesticated animals to die.

if you are going to kill these, do it right or dont do it at all.
 
Dude, everybody knows bird hunting is just whack - I mean, Dick Cheney does it (when not shooting lawyers in the face).

Need I say more?

Ok I will. Shooting lawyers in the face - noble past time - bird hunting, not so much.
 
Look, Roscoe gets to lay on the couch and pretend to drive cars all day. My dogs run around in fields and sniff foul ass. In addition to pretend driving cars and sitting on the couch all day. Who has a better life?
 
Almost forgot to post a pic.

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That came out particularly blurry. I think I set the focus to the chair. Oh well.



Up next: A much delayed shotgun purchase that will cost less than that red dot.
 
Had a table at the gun show in Jackson, MS today. Holy fuck, it was a madhouse. There was a two hour wait to get in the show from 9am til 3pm.

A normal really good turn out at a gunshow is 1500-2000 people. Over 4000 folks came to the show today and tomorrow looks the same.

The three vendors selling ammo sold out 6 tables worth of ammo each, one of them twice. It was nuts.

Sold a case of .223 I paid $70.00 for $200.00 in an hour after opening. Sold a couple more guns out of the collection, tomorrow looks promising. Missed out on a great deal on a Ruger Gunsite Scout in .308 due to my brain being slow. Arrgh. Really wanted that rifle and the price was a steal. $800.00 with a scope, when a new gun without optics is selling for $999.00

:(
 
DammitBoy said:
Had a table at the gun show in Jackson, MS today. Holy fuck, it was a madhouse. There was a two hour wait to get in the show from 9am til 3pm.

A normal really good turn out at a gunshow is 1500-2000 people. Over 4000 folks came to the show today and tomorrow looks the same.

The three vendors selling ammo sold out 6 tables worth of ammo each, one of them twice. It was nuts.

Sold a case of .223 I paid $70.00 for $200.00 in an hour after opening. Sold a couple more guns out of the collection, tomorrow looks promising. Missed out on a great deal on a Ruger Gunsite Scout in .308 due to my brain being slow. Arrgh. Really wanted that rifle and the price was a steal. $800.00 with a scope, when a new gun without optics is selling for $999.00

:(
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I would be selling Bushmasters if I were you. Seems they have become popular recently for some reason...
 
DammitBoy said:
The three vendors selling ammo sold out 6 tables worth of ammo each, one of them twice. It was nuts.
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A friend of mine told me he was seeing those 50 round boxes of makarov 9x18 ammo being sold for $25 a piece! (and not some fancy hollow point self-defense stuff)

Americans are crazy. :shock:
 
Thats insane.

Does anyone here load their own brass? Is it at all cheaper or do they still find a way to make you pay out the ass?
 
For the most part, the economics of reloading depend on three factors: caliber, commercial availability, and the value of your time.

Larger calibers mean more physical material, which in turn means more cost. This can be made better or worse by commercial availability. When there is a lot of commercial ammo available, costs tend to go down for the product, making reloading less economically viable. When the caliber is obscure, there may be no commercial availability, in which case you have no other option. Finally, there are a lot of time costs associated with reloading, the value of which depend on the individual involved.

For example:
Until of late, I could buy new commercial 9mm off the shelves of local retailers for very nearly the cost of reloading, and I valued my time too much to bother collecting, cleaning, sorting, and inspecting 9mm brass, much less reloading it.

10mm on the other hand, has always been commercially obscure. I could buy brand new brass and create brand new ammunition for about 20% less than commercial loadings, which are somewhat difficult to find. The real monetary savings came into play with reloading. When I budget for new brass, I figure a 50% case loss per range session, and four to five reloads tops for my brass. This is far more conservative then most of my peers. Even so, this means I get about 2000 rounds out of every 1000 brand new casings. The reduction in casing costs nets me about a 60% over-all savings off the cost of an equivalent amount of commercial ammo. On the other hand, I am scouring the range for my spent brass, separating, cleaning, and inspecting it individually before putting it into my progressive press. So the dollar cost savings are offset by the time costs quite a bit.

When I reload 5.56, I have to swage the primer pockets and trim the cases to their appropriate length, which adds considerable time. At the moment, this time cost is offset by availability and pricing. Match grade ammo is very expensive, and I will roll my own on occasion because of it. This involves a lot more attention to detail, as well as testing assorted loadings with a chronograph, and logging my data. For generic target shooting and action-oriented shoots, I just buy in bulk and don't spend the time on it.

Nobody that I know spends fewer dollars on ammunition after they started reloading then before. They simply shoot a lot more.
 
And now with a pure panic in terror mode (running around, chickens, heads cut off) you can't find ammo for any price, and then you think, "I load my own" and then you go to buy components to load, and that's all gone too.

Except in my case, I just shake my head, because I've got what knee-jerk liberals call a "cache" of ammo, in my "arsenal" because they love catch-phrases.

Me, I like having reserves so I can avoid the panic. I've sold more ammo than I bought, getting my money back and profit by reducing the calibers I need to stock now, because I eliminated my odd man out firearms, where I had one gun in that caliber and then sold the gun. So then I had a "stockpile" of ammo that I had no need for, that I could now sell to the panicky people.

Profit!

I did keep a few odd boxes of everything though - calibers I don't need, but I might use for bartering with other folks at some point in the future. About two 50 cal ammo cans full of the odd box of whatever. You never know.
 
I love when the poolice arrest some guy for something and search his house and his got thousands of rounds of ammo in it, and all seriously/smugly they say something like "There's really only one use for that much ammo" or "there's not a lot of uses for that much ammunition" implying some sort of heinous use for it.

Well no shit there's not a lot of uses for it, there's really only two. Shoot it or sell it.
 
JohnnyEgo said:
Until of late, I could buy new commercial 9mm off the shelves of local retailers for very nearly the cost of reloading, and I valued my time too much to bother collecting, cleaning, sorting, and inspecting 9mm brass, much less reloading it.
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Exactly. I buy GECO 9x19 124gr FMJ for practise & recreation. I buy it ten boxes at a time (a total of 10000 rounds to get a nice rebate).

There's no way I can do better when doing it myself, unless I decide my free time has no value at all.
On the other hand, stuff like .308Win is surely something worth reloading, especially if you're using it in a bolt action for precision. If you reload, you can tune your load perfectly to your rifle.
 
SuAside said:
I buy GECO 9x19 124gr FMJ for practise & recreation. I buy it ten boxes at a time (a total of 10000 rounds to get a nice rebate).
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How much does 10000 rounds cost?
 
I am going to sell a bunch of my spare AK-47/74 parts at the next show.
I never realized how much I had left (mostly trigger groups, trunions, barrels, stock sets, etc.)
I also found a ton of e. german mag pouches and other assorted stuff (mostly AK related)
 
WillisPDunlevey said:
I am going to sell a bunch of my spare AK-47/74 parts at the next show.
I never realized how much I had left (mostly trigger groups, trunions, barrels, stock sets, etc.)
I also found a ton of e. german mag pouches and other assorted stuff (mostly AK related)
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Are you going to get a table? If so reserve early, this last show was sold out 2-3 weeks before the show.
 
.Pixote. said:
SuAside said:
I buy GECO 9x19 124gr FMJ for practise & recreation. I buy it ten boxes at a time (a total of 10000 rounds to get a nice rebate).
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How much does 10000 rounds cost?
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Too much? :lol:

Well, here in Belgium we pay a lot, but I still couldn't see me wasting my time reloading 9x19.

Last time around I paid just shy of 1750 euros for 10000 rounds of GECO 124gr FMJ 9x19mm. That's slightly less than 8,75 Euros per box of 50 rounds. Going price in smaller number was generally around (and quite often over) 10 euros per box at that time. I figure buying in volume saved me about 450-500 euros in the long run. The prices have been steadily rising eversince.
 
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