The Guns and Ammo Thread

Discussion in 'General Discussion Forum' started by Kalessin, May 4, 2006.

  1. SuAside

    SuAside Testament to the ghoul lifespan
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    May 27, 2004
    And here I was thinking "that's a weird mag in that X-Five". But yeah, P220 Super Match makes total sense. :)

    Could've been my X-Five AL SO's brother.

    Also, keep ze pics comin'.
     
  2. JohnnyEgo

    JohnnyEgo Mostly Harmless

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    Oct 22, 2007
    Quick and dirty, but I thought you'd appreciate it.



    Also, I seem to have accumulated three single action Sigs with external safeties. I'm not quite sure how I managed that.

     
  3. .Pixote.

    .Pixote. Carbon Dated and Proud
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    Sep 14, 2009
    Are silencers legal?
     
  4. DevilTakeMe

    DevilTakeMe Where'd That 6th Toe Come From?

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    Sep 12, 2011
    Overall, they are legal with a federal tax stamp. Something like 38 or so states don't have any local regulations, just the Federal tax stamp. The other states have other restrictions. In California, they're banned from private ownership, but I believe Class 2 or 3 manufacturers may possess them.
     
  5. SuAside

    SuAside Testament to the ghoul lifespan
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    May 27, 2004
    Your quick & dirty tends to beat my best tries though, Johnny. :)

    So yes, very much appreciated.
    Suppressors are even legal in Great Britain. 'Nuff said.

    Sadly in my country, they're not. :(
     
  6. DammitBoy

    DammitBoy Carbon Dated and Proud

    Feb 23, 2006
    I've never understood why suppressors are a restricted item? It's basically hearing protection.

    Stupid government.
     
  7. Tagaziel

    Tagaziel Panzerkatze Staff Member Admin Orderite

    Dec 10, 2003
    You're just trolling at this point, aren't you?
     
  8. AskWazzup

    AskWazzup Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Aug 21, 2008
    Because it's easier to kill someone without anyone hearing it?
     
  9. Tagaziel

    Tagaziel Panzerkatze Staff Member Admin Orderite

    Dec 10, 2003
    Or rather, makes it harder to identify a gunshot. Suppressors hide the muzzle flash and reduce the signature of the weapon, but the discharge is still pretty loud and noticeable.

    For a silent weapon (where the chamber cycling is louder than the shot), you need subsonic ammunition and weapons built around the silencer, like the H&K MP5SD, VSS, AS Val etc.

    Damn beautiful. I'm pretty sure Dammit can come up with an excuse for why a silenced, military grade sniping rifle with excellent penetration should be commercially available to US residents.
     
  10. JohnnyEgo

    JohnnyEgo Mostly Harmless

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    Oct 22, 2007
    They already are, no excuses required. Here is one of mine:



    My other one gets here in about two weeks. (SR25 w/ matching Mk 11 Mod O)
     
  11. mobucks

    mobucks As a goof Orderite

    May 22, 2010
    I love that sig 1911. I'm not really into the "1911" text on it but Sig handguns are just sex.
     
  12. Kyuu

    Kyuu Insert Awesome Title Here

    Jul 19, 2007
    You've actually just identified why silencers being illegal is stupid. Normal silencers don't enable "silent killing". Their most significant use is for hearing protection.

    Obviously, weapons like the ones you identified using subsonic ammunition and built specifically for the purpose of being silent and flameless are a different matter and could be outlawed without making normal silencers illegal. Armor-piercing ammo is already illegal and so the ammunition for that rifle you linked to would be illegal anyway (besides the fact of not really being related to the issue of silenced weapons). With normal 9mm ammo, that rifle probably wouldn't have "excellent penetration".
     
  13. Wintermind

    Wintermind Vault Senior Citizen

    Jan 21, 2011
    They should totes be legal for hearing protection and noise pollution reasons. Supressors tend to make hand guns somewhat more big and bulky, and generally require extra work at a gunsmith to have the barrel threaded. you're average criminal would be better off with potato or something.
     
  14. DammitBoy

    DammitBoy Carbon Dated and Proud

    Feb 23, 2006
    Somebody watches too many movies. There is nothing nefarious or evil about a suppressed firearm.

    But I'm sure an excitable retard can come up with silly excuses for why a legal, law abiding citizen shouldn't have a suppressor on their legal firearm...
     
  15. Wintermind

    Wintermind Vault Senior Citizen

    Jan 21, 2011
    Or why they shouldn't have a legal firearm to begin with.
     
  16. Kyuu

    Kyuu Insert Awesome Title Here

    Jul 19, 2007
    Your use of the word "totes" makes me unable to tell if your statement is meant to be taken seriously or not.
     
  17. Matthews

    Matthews It Wandered In From the Wastes

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    Aug 29, 2012
    True that.
     
  18. SuAside

    SuAside Testament to the ghoul lifespan
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    May 27, 2004
    Check crime statistics of registered suppressors being used for killings in the USA. Really. Do it. I'll wait.

    How about countries like Finland, where you don't even need registration to buy suppressors? You buy them over the counter, with cash. No papertrail at all. There's no sudden increase of nefarious stealth assassins or anything? No huge increase in poaching either, which is the real reason for suppressor bans in most countries btw.

    Stop thinking Hollywood movies are real.
    And start realizing that building a basic suppressor is trivial. If a criminal wants a suppressor, it's easy as hell to make. A ban on suppressors isn't going to keep criminals from using them.

    I shoot indoor a lot. I wear ear plugs and professional grade ear muffs, at the same time to keep the noise down. I know some of my guns are loud as hell for other people at the range, and I'd love to suppress them. But I can't. It's illegal here. So now, when I find myself pushing away people that want to spent a nice time at the range. They flee from my SBRs, and even from my hot .357Mag. It's too friggin' bad. It's totally unnecessary.

    Besides, they've closed many open air shooting ranges because of the noise polution. Well no shit. Those ranges have been there for decades. People that came to live nearby knew what they got into. It's retarded. But this noise polution could be brought down significantly if you just legalized friggin' suppressors.

    I have ten firearms. I know how to handle them. I've got friends with CNC & milling machines. Do you really believe that if I wanted a suppressor to commit a crime, I'd have any difficulty AT ALL to aquire one illegally?
     
  19. Muff

    Muff Water Chip? Been There, Done That

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    May 5, 2006
    Hi sorry rair bread here and British gun owner, I own a .410 with a suppressor and a Full bore with a suppressor and the only time I have had the suppressor registered on my FAC or SGC is when a guy listed it on the transfer of owner paper work on a CZ 550 in .243 that I use for deer control, and even then it was put on the paper work by accident.

    What I don't get about US gun laws is the need to register them, if you can buy a rifle and have basic school grade work shop skills or access to the internet you can make a damn effective suppressor. So why the need to have heavier rules about the ownership of a accessory that is so easy to make baffles me.
     
  20. Wintermind

    Wintermind Vault Senior Citizen

    Jan 21, 2011
    welcome to gun laws