why so many .22's?
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sure, it's cheap. sure, it's fun. but owning nothing but .22 and 12Gauge seems strange. especially since 12g is a kicker while .22 is the lightest of the light, so you're not adverse to a little recoil. 
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It Wandered In From the Wastes
The two most common targets for shooting are possums* and well targets and as such I don't need anything bigger.
So the ammo is cheap and most of the shooting I do is fairly social so there are extra people about to carry more rifles.
The two single shot .22s while being in perfect working order are worth >$20nz if I sold them second hand.
p.s. I also have three more .22s that I didn't count, one on loan and two waiting until I can be bothered repairing them.
* Australian possum, an introduced species and also a "noxious animal" i.e. one that is hazardous to the local ecosystem. Shooting them is Green and completely conscience clean, I have even taken a Vegan shooting.
So the ammo is cheap and most of the shooting I do is fairly social so there are extra people about to carry more rifles.
The two single shot .22s while being in perfect working order are worth >$20nz if I sold them second hand.
p.s. I also have three more .22s that I didn't count, one on loan and two waiting until I can be bothered repairing them.
* Australian possum, an introduced species and also a "noxious animal" i.e. one that is hazardous to the local ecosystem. Shooting them is Green and completely conscience clean, I have even taken a Vegan shooting.
Foul Ole Ron
First time out of the vault
Muff said:
and the noise man, THE NOISE!
at the range one day, guy shooting his 300 Wini. mag, half the guys reached for their earmuffs when he yelled "300 FIRING"
but as soon as anyone yells "303 FIRING" everyone grabs their earmuffs.
me...
Dude I don't mean to sound hard but I don't use ear protection much when I shoot my .303 I only bring it out when I am doing a bit of historical re-enactment or period rifle demonstrations, besides tommy's use it for over 80 years and didn't use ear protection.
i'm fairly sure a .300 WinMag has a louder crack than a .303. (although that does depend on the muzzle break too)
but Muff, you REALLY should always use earprotection (except for .22 and .17, i guess). even if it doesnt bother you... it can still damage your hearing.
as for 'but soldiers used it without'... well duh. soldiers also went to war without powerarmor, but they'd have been better off with, don't you think?
a soldier needs to hear and hence cant wear earMuffs.
but Muff, you REALLY should always use earprotection (except for .22 and .17, i guess). even if it doesnt bother you... it can still damage your hearing.
as for 'but soldiers used it without'... well duh. soldiers also went to war without powerarmor, but they'd have been better off with, don't you think?
a soldier needs to hear and hence cant wear earMuffs.
I am a bit of a purist, that is why I don't use ear protection when shooting in the styles I have said, any other time I do use ear protection, Besides it removes some of the historical accuracy when school's do WW1 and WW2 living history classes.
Nice Muff pun by the way.
Nice Muff pun by the way.
Only a complete and total moron doesn't use ear protection.
Ear muffs are best when at the range, but if you're doing historical events, you can use little flesh colored ear plugs that will protect your hearing.
I find it difficult to believe that any formal range you shoot at doesn't require hearing protection in a mandatory fashion.
I've never been to a range that didn't require hearing protection.
Have fun being deaf you ignorant cocktards...
Ear muffs are best when at the range, but if you're doing historical events, you can use little flesh colored ear plugs that will protect your hearing.
I find it difficult to believe that any formal range you shoot at doesn't require hearing protection in a mandatory fashion.
I've never been to a range that didn't require hearing protection.
Have fun being deaf you ignorant cocktards...
Harahvaiti
It Wandered In From the Wastes
i have a HS-2000 aka HS-XtremeDuty... its a great pistol...
and a m72 b1...
and a m72 b1...
Sytxferryman
Still Mildly Glowing
nospaces said:im just a wee bit deaf in my left ear from loud music, so i dont see any reason why hearing protection isnt a good idea
Ditto that.
IMO... I find that these ear budz work best for me, while they don't completely block the noise they do allow for decent communication at the range... if go with others.
I personally prefer automatics for every day use... (if you have a everyday use for it that is) but for home protection I prefer a good revolver, for example a Taurus 650 mag works well as a fumble proof weapon (fumble as in those Glock owners out there that at 3am when hearing some glass breaking hit the clip release instead of the safety on their gun... Glocks are wonderful, but not when you are half awake, myself being guilty as charged for dropping a clip when hearing glass breaking a long long time ago). Also these are cheap, going from $300-500 from gun shows to corner stores.
Ammo - for self defense I use the FMJ or ball ammo for two reasons... first is its usually the same type of ammo the police use so they can't easily portray you as a gun nut b/c you blasted the guy with black widow rounds. If I was to use a automatic for self defense purposes... the 1911's .22 slide mod would work good for this. Also don't use cheap ammo, or ammo not made in the US.... You want the bullet to go into the guy entering your house, not thru him then thru your gf on the sofa then ricochet and go into your wife in the bed upstairs out thru the roof and down into the back of the head of your secretary at work you are banging... well you get the idea.
Also remember kiddies... wait till the guy is INSIDE the house to shoot him, and don't let him leave as if he gets outside it is no longer self defense in most area's and/or much more difficult to prove. (Stupid law, but true!) Again... just double tap.
the vast majority of Glocks don't have a safety except for their notorious triggersafety. how the hell do you fumble that & drop the magazine.Sytxferryman said:
does not compute.Sytxferryman said:
FMJ is more likely to penetrate stuff than a hollowpoint.
besides, you americans should learn to build houses. with all that woodstuff, ofc you have overpenetration issues. fuck, in my house i could toss around 12 gauge slugs without worrying about people in the next room.
you are going to use .22 for home defense? a round with no stoppingpower & that is only effective when hitting critical areas? wow...Sytxferryman said:
most people on this board are foreigners... so yeah, we DONT use american ammo...Sytxferryman said:
once again: most people on this board aren't americans. the laws are different, so if you're going to give asshat legal advice about shooting people, please add that it's only valid for muricans, ok?Sytxferryman said:
I own a pair of electronic Peltor brand ear defender's for game shooting,.
As SuAside said a .22 is not a good idea for a home defence weapon, if I was forced to use a firearm for home defence a .22 would be my last choice.
@ Sytxferryman good ammo can come from any ware so can bad ammo.
And what SuAside wrote about gun law advice.
As SuAside said a .22 is not a good idea for a home defence weapon, if I was forced to use a firearm for home defence a .22 would be my last choice.
@ Sytxferryman good ammo can come from any ware so can bad ammo.
And what SuAside wrote about gun law advice.
Smoke_Jaguar
Look, Ma! Two Heads!
Sytxferryman said:
SuA said:
There's no need to tag different laws here SuA, you're right nonetheless.
Anyway, shooting someone that broke into your house, saw you with a gun, running like shit for the door, and getting shot in the back at the elevator is highly unconstitutional any place you look.
It's murder, not fucking self defense. The universal legal advice on self defence is that the "braking and entering" part ends when the "perpetrator" stops or interrupts the "braking in" and "runs away". The whole reason we have self defence is to reject the "braking and entering" part, or the immediate danger of the "perpetrator" presents to us, regarding the home violation issue you guys were discussing.
And make sure he is facing you when you slot the cunt. if he is ruining away. Centre mass shots are the best type of shots you can take if you cant get a head shot. although in a FISH situation if you can't hit a 1ft target at under 10ft I would say go to the range and practice alot.
[PCE]el_Prez
Vault Fossil
Smoke_Jaguar said:
Self Defense (in the good ol US) is anything where you believe you or someone else is in physical danger. Doesn't matter if your wrong or not. If someone broke into my house and I confronted them w/ my gun and they booked out - I'd let the poor schmuck go. But you could make the argument that you thought you or your family was in danger and you could legally ventilate the prick. There's always the argument "It was dark and I thought he had a gun" which covers you on your neglegant manslaughter charge whether he did or didnt.