The Guns and Ammo Thread

Point taken.

So right now, I'm in the middle of refinishing the stock on a brand new rifle I just bought.

Why you might ask?

Well, it's a Ruger 10/22 and it's got a full mannlicher forend stock on it - as in the stock goes all the way to the end of the barrel.

It's called a Ruger 10/22 RBI and Ruger stopped making them in1996, so they are hard to find. I wanted one with a walnut stock, but it's like trying to find a needle in th proverbial haystack.

So I settled for a laminated stock version that I found on GunBroker.com (great auction site btw) - the only problem being that the laminated stock version is a hideous green, gray, and black color.

Now I'm just about done refinishing the stock with a very good looking red oak stain after days of sanding between coats of stain.

Next will be hours of sanding between poly-clear coats.

It's all good though, I was worried what the stock would look like, being laminated, with the new stain on it - but it's really turning out much better than I'd hoped.
 
pics are a definite requirement when you're done with the refurb job DammitBoy.

also reminds me the story of a friend of mine who bought a stainless Ruger 10/22. the stainless parts turned purple-ish in daylight, but looked normal inside.
i cant remember the reasons anymore, but it had something to do with the metals used and the treatment of the barrel or something. but still: lawl pink 10/22!
 
DoughboyJones said:
i wanna get one of these, then i'll be cool, just like Steve McQueen...

http://www.wildwestmerchandise.com/new-mares.htm
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Love the Mare's Leg - this guy makes them out of unassembled lever actions because it's against the law to modify a rifle into a pistol.

Stupid law.

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SuAside: I have no idea how to upload pics to here from my computer. Here's a pic of the 10/22 I bought from the website though;

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You can see how green it is in this pic of the stock - yuck!

It was N.I.B. and it's stainless, but I haven't seen any of the color issues your friend had with his gun.
 
Ok, back on topic.

I never seen this come up in these discussions, so I wanted to propose a general question.

How much do you spend on your owning, operating, maintaining, collecting hobby for firearms per year?

We don't have so many gun owners over here, but the ones that are considered collectors are wealthy indeed. So, I was wondering, how expesive/inexpensive is a gun hobby in the USA ?
 
Yeah! Back to topic.

I'm planning on buying this rifle for the upcoming summer:

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The ammunition is really cheap and it weighs practically nothing.

Oooohh, I almost forgot. It's also undetectable through a metal detector. How cool is that?
 
Smoke_Jaguar said:
Ok, back on topic.

I never seen this come up in these discussions, so I wanted to propose a general question.

How much do you spend on your owning, operating, maintaining, collecting hobby for firearms per year?

We don't have so many gun owners over here, but the ones that are considered collectors are wealthy indeed. So, I was wondering, how expesive/inexpensive is a gun hobby in the USA ?
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I've got about 10 grand invested in actual guns - but that's not counting the safe, ammo, range fees, hunting licenses, traveling to gun shows, cleaning supplies, magazines, books, etc.

The average gun - rifle, or pistol ranges so much in price, and you have to figure whether you're buying retail, or going to gunshows and pawnshop where you can find deals.

I have several guns that cost around 1400.00 us but most average about 600.00 to 700.00 a piece. Although I've got several for under 300.00 - it just depends what you are interested in buying and collecting.

Go to gunbroker.com and you can see current prices for just about anything in their search engine - it's an online auction site for guns. (god bless america)

Part of what I do is buy things speculating on their value going up. Like, right before the infamous assault ban - I bought 3 Tek-9's for about 250.00 each. Two years later, I sold all three for 400.00 each. Now, since the ban is lifted, they are selling for about 300.00 each again.

Of course, if a person is into rather rare weapons or full auto's you can spend a small fortune.

Right now I have 28 guns, but my collection always fluctuates up/down as I buy/sell/trade what I have for what I want.
 
Cool video, but say.

What "armored enemies" are you likely to encounter? Policemen? Football players? Robocop?
 
Powered armoured Russians!

Jokes aside, it was invented for counter-terrorism activity IIRC meaning it's for military/counter-terrorism groups only.
 
Smoke_Jaguar said:
Ok, back on topic.

I never seen this come up in these discussions, so I wanted to propose a general question.

How much do you spend on your owning, operating, maintaining, collecting hobby for firearms per year?

We don't have so many gun owners over here, but the ones that are considered collectors are wealthy indeed. So, I was wondering, how expesive/inexpensive is a gun hobby in the USA ?
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I bought a nice little 20 gauge single shot at a garage sale last year for $35. All in all, my annual firearms budget is pretty low. I'm almost exclusive to really good deals (see above) and usually get good ones by buying from people I know.
 
SuAside said:
well Muff, not everything is always due to poor weapon design.

for instance there are people in Iraq reporting that the Minimi aka M249 SAW sucks. however, when doing some digging, you'll find out that the weapons in question are over ten year old and that the US Army never bought the required long time maintenance replacement parts from FN-H or FN-USA. is it any wonder that these weapons fail in rugged environments? hardly... is it the fault of the weapondesign and materials used? hardly...
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I also hear comments from lots of people about the FN FAL (amongst which my father, who used it in his Belgian army service):
- Too heavy/cumbersome
- Jams often
- Prone to failures
- Too much kickback
- ...

This, however, only from Belgians. Other nations seem to like it.

Smells like a cheapo army-FN deal... Or re-using of old, unrevised weaponry?
 
Even the AK has a 5.56 Nato chambered verson, and if they would make a 7.62 Nato 20 round version, then all these fancy european rifles will have extremly serious competition, if they don't have already.

The FN-FAL got a lot of good press, even portrayed in games like JA2 as one of the best assault rifles in the game (dam 35 IIRC).

boer_kameel said:
I also hear comments from lots of people about the FN FAL (amongst which my father, who used it in his Belgian army service):
- Too heavy/cumbersome
- Jams often
- Prone to failures
- Too much kickback
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The FN-FAL carbine has reduced the drawbacks you mention boer kameel. All special forces and paras in Belgium are issued the carbine, so it's all good.

Plus, you get an ample discussion about the socom comissioned SCAR a few pages back by SuA.
 
boer_kameel said:
I also hear comments from lots of people about the FN FAL (amongst which my father, who used it in his Belgian army service):
- Too heavy/cumbersome
- Jams often
- Prone to failures
- Too much kickback
- ...

This, however, only from Belgians. Other nations seem to like it.

Smells like a cheapo army-FN deal... Or re-using of old, unrevised weaponry?
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Belgian made FN Herstal FAL's are amongst the most searched after and most reputed FAL's around kameel.

the problem is imo conscript abuse.

treat the rifle well, and it'll treat you well.

however, conscripts suck & don't give a rats ass. (and end up fucking up the rifles)

Smoke_Jaguar said:
Even the AK has a 5.56 Nato chambered verson, and if they would make a 7.62 Nato 20 round version, then all these fancy european rifles will have extremly serious competition, if they don't have already.
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euhm, do your homework? there are semi-auto .308 AK-versions? (no one seriously uses the FA on a .308 AR anyway)

and western nations value accuracy too much. AK design has very loose tollerance. this degrades accuracy, but makes it very reliable.

yet, you can lower the tolerance, but by doing that, you fuck over the whole design & with it the entire interest of such a gun...

there are far superior .308 calibre guns than an AK-derivative...
Smoke_Jaguar said:
The FN-FAL carbine has reduced the drawbacks you mention boer kameel. All special forces and paras in Belgium are issued the carbine, so it's all good.
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euhm, what? you're behind only a few decades there.

belgian paracommandos use the F2000, the FNC (for those who havent been issued the F2000 yet), the AI AE, the P90, the Minimi & the Mag.
 
SuA said:
euhm, do your homework? there are semi-auto .308 AK-versions? (no one seriously uses the FA on a .308 AR anyway)

and western nations value accuracy too much. AK design has very loose tollerance. this degrades accuracy, but makes it very reliable.

yet, you can lower the tolerance, but by doing that, you fuck over the whole design & with it the entire interest of such a gun...

there are far superior .308 calibre guns than an AK-derivative...
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This is only your opinion. Nobody else is using these posh weapons, and they are very new, only time will tell if they should ever replace the classics.

Accuracy is a cencern with the AK, true, but that has never stopped it from attaining it's status as the universal assault rifle of the world, from both sides of the law.

SuA said:
belgian paracommandos use the F2000, the FNC (for those who havent been issued the F2000 yet), the AI AE, the P90, the Minimi & the Mag.
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The only reason we're talking belgians here, is because of FN and their awsome arsenal. And, as I dislike the ugly and tiresome designs of HK...

I've only seen pics with the FNC on the paras, but I guess I am behind with my belgians. :roll:
 
Smoke_Jaguar said:
Accuracy is a concern with the AK, true, but that has never stopped it from attaining it's status as the universal assault rifle of the world, from both sides of the law.

And, as I dislike the ugly and tiresome designs of HK...
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AK's are considered the universal assault rifle for two reasons - the massive quantities produced and the fact that they are very reliable sturdy shooters.

Accuracy isn't the AK's strongpoint, nor is it the main purpose of an assault rifle.

Accuracy is however the mainstay of anything HK - you may not like their looks, but HK makes the highest quality weapon in the world. Plus they are incredibly accurate.

These are two completely different animals made for two completely different functions - it's apples and oranges...
 
Smoke_Jaguar said:
And, as I dislike the ugly and tiresome designs of HK...
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Weapons of war are not meant to be a fashion statement, anyone who judges a service weapon soley by looks is an idiot.
 
DammitBoy said:
Accuracy is however the mainstay of anything HK - you may not like their looks, but HK makes the highest quality weapon in the world. Plus they are incredibly accurate.
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highest quality? for me quality also means customer care after the gun fails. and HK totally and utterly fails at customer care.
 
SuAside said:
DammitBoy said:
Accuracy is however the mainstay of anything HK - you may not like their looks, but HK makes the highest quality weapon in the world. Plus they are incredibly accurate.
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highest quality? for me quality also means customer care after the gun fails. and HK totally and utterly fails at customer care.
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Please elaborate.

I've never even had a misfeed on my two HK's...
 
it means that if your HK guns do break (even within the warranty period), you're pretty much screwed.

you cant have a local gunsmith work on it without loosing the garantee and you have to send it off to HK for fixing. this will take anything from 6 months to a few years.

HK customer support only works well for army & police. the private owners are fucked up the ass.
 
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