DammitBoy said:Pics of cats in a gun thread?
Cats and guns go together or is more than your arms backwards.
I just didn't edit them out of the images when I uploaded them and posted them.
The Guns and Ammo Thread
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Cats and guns go together or is more than your arms backwards.
I just didn't edit them out of the images when I uploaded them and posted them.
SkynetV4
Mildly Dipped
SuAside said:
Is this the gun SuAside?
http://pics.livejournal.com/larvatus/pic/000t4p9p/s640x480
Sweet revolver! .357 FTW!
lol, i didn't know they made MR-73's in Joker-sized as well... (i'm interested in the 4" and 5.25")
but yeah, that's it. pictures don't come close to showing how awesome it is though.
but yeah, that's it. pictures don't come close to showing how awesome it is though.
Werwolf
First time out of the vault
I have only this:
I have only chance to score critical in eyes and then RUN!
I have only chance to score critical in eyes and then RUN!
Well, I'm going to be getting a pretty hefty tax return (I knew those bastards were withholding way too much from my paychecks...), so I'm going to be looking at investing in my first firearm. The handgun I really want, the Five-Seven, is a little pricey and probably not the best beginner gun. Therefore, I'm looking at getting something a bit cheaper and better suited for a novice. However, I'm not too sure about what to get. Of course a number of the more popularized brands (Glock, Beretta, Walther, and the like) jump to mind, but I don't really know which brand/model would really be suited for me. I know it's oftentimes suggested to start with a plinker (I think that's the right term), but I'm just the sort of person who'd prefer to jump right in with a "real" handgun.
So, anyone have any advice for a newbie looking to get his first handgun? Thanks in advance!
So, anyone have any advice for a newbie looking to get his first handgun? Thanks in advance!
Bal-Sagoth
Water Chip? Been There, Done That
I was going to post a similar question, any advice people have would be greatly appreciated.
Sold my Remington 870 a few days ago and I think I am going to put the money towards a handgun. I have been looking at Glocks and the Glock 17 in particular. Anyone have positive or negative things to say about that particular firearm?
I have no particular use for said handgun, just something that is a jack of all trades. Be it shooting cans or burglar.
Sold my Remington 870 a few days ago and I think I am going to put the money towards a handgun. I have been looking at Glocks and the Glock 17 in particular. Anyone have positive or negative things to say about that particular firearm?
I have no particular use for said handgun, just something that is a jack of all trades. Be it shooting cans or burglar.
indeed. the fact that you realise this means you're on the right track.Kyuu said:
the reasons are multiple, but the ones that jump into my mind are:
- price of the ammo (which translates in less practise)
- somewhat special design (means that not everything you learn with this gun can be transposed onto other firearms)
- a reputation for being somewhat difficult to master (DO NOT ADJUST THE SIGHTS before you fired 300 rounds through the gun, the sights are fine, the trouble is you
)well, as you likely know, people usually advize your first handgun to be a .22LR for training purposes. it's reasonable accurate, it's cheap, it's plentyful and the recoil is light.Kyuu said:
so unless you're buying this pistol or revolver with home defense in mind, you're likely best to start off with a .22LR. (though that doesn't mean you can't buy a 9x19mm / .40S&W / .45ACP as well!)
now, there are many .22LR pistols and revolvers...
my personal favorites (though the first few are quite expensive):
- S&W 617 (revolver: 10 shot, 6 inch barrel) (a Mod 17 is also an option and should be dirt cheap second hand)
- Beretta 87 Target (pistol: 10 shot, 5.9 inch barrel)
- FN Medalist / International (getting rare, but thought i'd mention it)
- Browning Buckmark (many different types)
- Ruger Mark II and Mark III (22/45 with bull barrel is most interesting in my book)
but there are also cheap alternatives good enough to learn with, but somewhat questionable on the long run:
- Sig Sauer Mosquitto
- Beretta U22 Neos
- Walther P22 (very prolific, but i utterly loathe this gun)
a gun i haven't tried, but might be fun is the Taurus Tracker in .22LR.
you should try to stay away from ultra short barreled .22LRs, as this will not help your accuracy (though that's more due to the sight radius than due to the barrel itself). you likely should not go below 5 inch.
to make any kind of decision, you must first try different types of pistol (or revolvers). do not be influenced by how they look or even feel when you hold them at the store. if you can, you should try them out as much as possible before settling on something. a good example is the P22 (which isn't made by Walther btw, it's outsourced). in theory, it provides pretty good ergonomics, but in practise it does not fit my hand at all (your milage may vary) and constantly makes me shoot inconsistently due to these ergonomics.
(for advice on larger cal pistols, see below)
and just FYI:
"plinker" is usually used to denote one of two things:Kyuu said:
- a cheap gun that fires cheap ammo, that you can use for pure fun. this probably means the gun isn't very accurate, but just fun to shoot.
- any gun that you simply bought to plink with. the gun itself might as well be a 20000 USD machinegun.
so the first is somewhat derrogatory to the firearm, while the second says more about the act.
that said, most people buy a plinker of the first category as their first gun. in my eyes, that's a bit of a waste.
a Glock has a very specific trigger. you should try it before making any kind of judgement on it. personally, i'm also not terribly fond of the Glock ergonomics. it is a very good service gun however, you will never hear me deny that.Bal-Sagoth said:I was going to post a similar question, any advice people have would be greatly appreciated.
Sold my Remington 870 a few days ago and I think I am going to put the money towards a handgun. I have been looking at Glocks and the Glock 17 in particular. Anyone have positive or negative things to say about that particular firearm?
I have no particular use for said handgun, just something that is a jack of all trades. Be it shooting cans or burglar.
in the same "safe action" class, you might want to take a look at the improved XD, the Springfield XDm 9mm.
as for 'starter' pistols in general, i usually tend to favor 9x19mm for beginners because it is reasonably cheap and gives adequate results. you should however note that the recoil is fairly light, but sharp, whereas a .45ACP is heavy but blunt. you'll have to try it and figure out what is best for you.
but right now, the best bang for buck in my opinion is the CZ 75 SP-01 Shadow. note that the "Shadow" part is important, as a CZ 75 SP-01 is a duty pistol, whereas the Shadow has imporved sights, a better trigger and so on. this pistol is not only suited for learning to shoot, it is also perfectly suited for active shooting disciplines such as IPSC later on. there is one major downside in my book, and that is the thin and sharp serrations on the slide.
and if you're simply looking for a basic self-defense weapon, i'd suggest an FNP-9. it's cheap, it's light and you get a free shooter's pack with it reimbursed by FN-H. be sure to pick up the correct version though, the DAO is absolutely horrible.
Bal-Sagoth said:I was going to post a similar question, any advice people have would be greatly appreciated.
Sold my Remington 870 a few days ago and I think I am going to put the money towards a handgun. I have been looking at Glocks and the Glock 17 in particular. Anyone have positive or negative things to say about that particular firearm?
I have no particular use for said handgun, just something that is a jack of all trades. Be it shooting cans or burglar.
Get an XDm. If you don't there is a very good chance you'll become a hunchback fag with pinkeye and halitosis.
Werwolf
First time out of the vault
crap!!! plastic details will be weared away quickly and gun will fire by itself or something
yes, and they're also grenades!Werwolf said:
get the fuck out of this thread, please...
I might mention that choosing your weapon between 9mm, .40s&w, and .45acp
9mm and .40s&w have snappy recoil. .45 has more of a slow pushing recoil.
While the .45 has more recoil, it's easier to control than .40. 9mm's recoil is snappy, just not as snappy as .40 and is easy to control. Just some food for thought.
DO YOUR HOMEWORK before you buy anything.
If you can, try it out at a range.
Suaside, any suggestions on upgrading the accuracy of my XD without hurting my reliability too much? I'm fixing it up as a duty pistol.
XD .40s&w tactical(5 inch)
So I go shooting last week and I get handed a CZ 75. I felt a little impotent with how accurate that gun is compared to my own.
9mm and .40s&w have snappy recoil. .45 has more of a slow pushing recoil.
While the .45 has more recoil, it's easier to control than .40. 9mm's recoil is snappy, just not as snappy as .40 and is easy to control. Just some food for thought.
DO YOUR HOMEWORK before you buy anything.
If you can, try it out at a range.
Suaside, any suggestions on upgrading the accuracy of my XD without hurting my reliability too much? I'm fixing it up as a duty pistol.
XD .40s&w tactical(5 inch)
So I go shooting last week and I get handed a CZ 75. I felt a little impotent with how accurate that gun is compared to my own.
Are Desert Eagles viable duty pistols?
Ah-Teen said:Suaside, any suggestions on upgrading the accuracy of my XD without hurting my reliability too much? I'm fixing it up as a duty pistol.
XD .40s&w tactical(5 inch)
So I go shooting last week and I get handed a CZ 75. I felt a little impotent with how accurate that gun is compared to my own.
Get yourself a trigger kit from either Springer Precision or Powder River. I'm told they both make a big difference, that they are affordable and they don't mess with reliability.
Mikael Grizzly said:
They are only viable for action moovies wid Ahrnolt Schwarzenegger, yaargh!
Ah-Teen, i guess your question has been answered by DDD (and he's better placed to answer that anyway).
as for the 9x19mm vs .40S&W vs .45ACP? it's a matter of personal taste.
i prefer 9x19mm for now. snappier, but easier to handle for me, cheaper and higher capacity. some will disagree of course, but that's fine.
i'd suggest getting a Jericho if you wank over Desert Eagles... (not that the Jericho has anything to do with the Desert Eagle though)
as for the 9x19mm vs .40S&W vs .45ACP? it's a matter of personal taste.
i prefer 9x19mm for now. snappier, but easier to handle for me, cheaper and higher capacity. some will disagree of course, but that's fine.
they are if you like carrying a fucking brick in your holster all day long...Mikael Grizzly said:
i'd suggest getting a Jericho if you wank over Desert Eagles... (not that the Jericho has anything to do with the Desert Eagle though)
xXAtomicKittenXx
First time out of the vault
yes in fact i do own a few arms. ^^ ok well i have a Desert Eagle, .22 (my daddy got if for me for my first birthday ^-^) um... AR (semi-automatic assault rifle) and a few handguns. lol. who says girls cant have their own assortment of firearms...? 
um... AR (semi-automatic assault rifle) and a few handguns. lol. who says girls cant have their own assortment of firearms...?
SuAside said:
SuAside and the penis enlargers
To give a logical answer to grizzly question. No and fuck no.
The desert eagle is bulky and heavy with a limited ammunition supply of 7+1 rounds. It's ammunition is expensive and the weapon itself has some extreme wear problems due to the heavy loads being put through it.
As a duty pistol it may last a month or two with the amount of training involved for dependable accurate combat shooting.
Having fired one, the thing is smooth as silk. But all in all for just about all purposes, its not all that useful. Great conversational piece though!