Trump is winning

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Dr Fallout said:
Hahaha, yeah a bunch of piss poor can obviously find good jobs and start businesses. Does black market count?
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Many Gypsies do own businesses. And any government keen on abolishing welfare would probably make businesses even easier to start and tax them less. And since when is not being poor a prerequisite for getting a job?

Crni Vuk said:
The Nazi is strong in this one.
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So... the Nazis didn't want to consign Gypsies to forced labor?
 
Illuminati Confirmed! said:
So each time you go and look for a job, the first question that pops up is are you poor?

Or is there a sign saying no poorfags allowed?
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Stop being thick, if your poor, sometimes it can be very hard to get out of that situation. Many poor people find it hard to get jobs. Many people who are poor get awful jobs that pay tiny amounts, and end up being homeless.
Then again you wouldn't understand since you've got your head shoved so far up your arse.
 
Doomsdayprepper said:
Stop being thick, if your poor, sometimes it can be very hard to get out of that situation. Many poor people find it hard to get jobs. Many people who are poor get awful jobs that pay tiny amounts, and end up being homeless.
But you wouldn't understand since you've got your head shoved so far up your arse.
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Yeah, it's fucked to find a job when you're so busy being poor.
 
You're intellectually poor.

Anyway.

The problem is, that you're out of your element here. See, no one here ever argued that there aren't some really lazy bums out there and all that, but those are a minority. There have been serious studies about that subject and they come to the conclussion, that dismissing everyone as lazy and not trying hard enough, is simply put wrong. For example, there are logical errors like survivorship bias, or that statistics show that 63% of America's work-eligible poor are working, and 73 percent of public support recipients are members of working families.

But declaring everyone simply as lazy or that they 'deserve' what's coming at them and that we shouldn't give a fuck about good and affordable education, is a very easy cop out, as that way you don't have to adress any of the underlying issues. But in the end, this always also hurts the economy.

But maybe you will listen to some 'capistalist', for a change.

Henry Ford realised that he should pay his workers sufficiently large sums so that they could afford the products they were making. In this manner he could expand the market for his products.

>>January 1914 was a frigid month in Detroit — much like January 2014 has been, but nonetheless thousands lined up in the bitter cold outside to take Henry Ford up on an extraordinary offer: $5 a day, for eight hours of work in a bustling factory.


That was more than double the average factory wage at that time, and for U.S. workers it was one of the defining moments of the 20th century. Five dollars in 1914 translates to roughly $120 in today's money. While many economists say today's employers could take some pointers from Ford, they also say 2014 is a totally different world for U.S. businesses and workers.<<

If you want people to get out of poverty, in the long run, then they need actuall oportunities to get there. And today, this also means better education, as the number of jobs that require no education at all, are shrinking.
 
Crni Vuk said:
You're intellectually poor.
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By your standards for intellectualism, that's about as disturbing as being poor in STDs and amputated limbs.

Anyway.

The problem is, that you're out of your element here. See, no one here ever argued that there aren't some really lazy bums out there and all that, but those are a minority. There have been serious studies about that subject and they come to the conclussion, that dismissing everyone as lazy and not trying hard enough, is simply put wrong. For example, there are logical errors like survivorship bias, or that statistics show that 63% of America's work-eligible poor are working, and 73 percent of public support recipients are members of working families.
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I don't see how this makes the forced redistribution of wealth moral, or even efficient.

But declaring everyone simply as lazy or that they 'deserve' what's coming at them and that we shouldn't give a fuck about good and affordable education, is a very easy cop out, as that way you don't have to adress any of the underlying issues. But in the end, this always also hurts the economy.
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The underlying issue is that people are paying for products they don't want or need. You want an affordable school? Go to an affordable school, then. There'd be plenty of those if the state just got its paws out of education. And they'd be affordable without being financed through theft.

But maybe you will listen to some 'capistalist', for a change.

Henry Ford realised that he should pay his workers sufficiently large sums so that they could afford the products they were making. In this manner he could expand the market for his products.

>>January 1914 was a frigid month in Detroit — much like January 2014 has been, but nonetheless thousands lined up in the bitter cold outside to take Henry Ford up on an extraordinary offer: $5 a day, for eight hours of work in a bustling factory.


That was more than double the average factory wage at that time, and for U.S. workers it was one of the defining moments of the 20th century. Five dollars in 1914 translates to roughly $120 in today's money. While many economists say today's employers could take some pointers from Ford, they also say 2014 is a totally different world for U.S. businesses and workers.<<

If you want people to get out of poverty, in the long run, then they need actuall oportunities to get there. And today, this also means better education, as the number of jobs that require no education at all, are shrinking.
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How is a businessman choosing to pay his workers more by his own free will somehow in support of the idea that we need a welfare state? Businessmen today do the same thing, although mostly by decreasing the price of the product rather than increasing wages. Poor people in the west have access to a lot more than they need to survive.

Yes, we do need better education. But your idea of better education seems to be more education, and cheaper education. Which just doesn't work. Education isn't some kind of magic pill that makes you smarter, it's basically just showering someone with shitloads of relevant information. It works just fine so long as your students all have a large enough capacity to learn.

But then someone comes up with the idea that education should be for everybody! Make it free too! While you're at it, make sure that it's also nigh-impossible to to fire a teacher simply for being a bad teacher!

What you'll end up with is is an education system where the guy you wanted to prop up - the poor smart kid - gets fucked the most, because he is held back by all the retards who share his class because some politician needs their retarded parents' vote. The smart rich kid can just go to private school, so long as the government doesn't decide to screw that up too.
 
I don't see how this makes the forced redistribution of wealth moral, or even efficient.
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Speaking as a rich person, wealth is made because of the American system allowing it to be made and helping generate capital. That's why taxes exist. Making sure more people have opportunities for wealth and get their fair share of it isn't some weird, "But that's MYYYYYY money" situation.

I remember college when I had a good friend who, I swear, literally could not comprehend the idea of taxes as anything but theft because his worldview was that anything he received in a paycheck was his despite living in a society built up around social services and a system which depended on them.
 
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