Tyranny Discussion Thread

eissa said:
yeah barik, God know how long he hasn't cleaned and....*you know*. Must have some mechanic to let some waste go. Now i should think twice wether to consider him to be in my party....
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LOL well that certainly would be a problem. It did mention the armor is made out of bent weapons and scraps of other armor, so maybe there's little parts of the suit that aren't completely covered he can use for.. business?

It seems so far that this is the lay-out of companions from what we know:

1. Verse. She's a Scarlet Fury of the Scarlet Chorus, one of their elite members.

2. Sirin. Archon of Song and also part of the Scarlet Chorus. She's their recruiter.

3. Barik. He's a high ranking Disfavored soldier.

4. Lantry. Not sure where he falls in regards to an army but he's loyal to Kyros.

5. Kills-in-Shadow. A beastwoman. Hates Kyros and especially hates Disfavored. Most likely would be used in a Rebellion or Independent run.

6. Eb. A student of the Archon of Tides. Hates Kyros and rebels against him. Most likely would be used in a Rebellion or possibly Independent run.

So therefore these are the allegiances tallied:

Scarlet Chorus: 2

Disfavored: 1

Rebellion/Independent: 2

Unknown: 1, because we don't know how loyal Lantry is to Kyros and he doesn't fall under either of the armies' allegiance.

So it looks like @eissa gets the least companions with just Barik, while @Dr Fallout and I might tie. (he's going Scarlet Chorus, I'm going Independent first time probably)
 
Ragemage said:
LOL well that certainly would be a problem. It did mention the armor is made out of bent weapons and scraps of other armor, so maybe there's little parts of the suit that aren't completely covered he can use for.. business?

It seems so far that this is the lay-out of companions from what we know:

1. Verse. She's a Scarlet Fury of the Scarlet Chorus, one of their elite members.

2. Sirin. Archon of Song and also part of the Scarlet Chorus. She's their recruiter.

3. Barik. He's a high ranking Disfavored soldier.

4. Lantry. Not sure where he falls in regards to an army but he's loyal to Kyros.

5. Kills-in-Shadow. A beastwoman. Hates Kyros and especially hates Disfavored. Most likely would be used in a Rebellion or Independent run.

6. Eb. A student of the Archon of Tides. Hates Kyros and rebels against him. Most likely would be used in a Rebellion or possibly Independent run.

So therefore these are the allegiances tallied:

Scarlet Chorus: 2

Disfavored: 1

Rebellion/Independent: 2

Unknown: 1, because we don't know how loyal Lantry is to Kyros and he doesn't fall under either of the armies' allegiance.

So it looks like @eissa gets the least companions with just Barik, while @Dr Fallout and I might tie. (he's going Scarlet Chorus, I'm going Independent first time probably)
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Dunno, the last sentence of those article seem to suggest sirin is not pretty willing in scarlett chorus itself. so maybe she pretty much neutral (and Dr Fallout seem not fond of her anyway ;) )
 
See how good the Scarlet Chorus is? We accept women as important leaders!

BUT DAMN IT, THEY'RE NOT NERAT SO THEY'RE NOT GOOD ENOUGH.
 
So if we were going to see another of Kyros's armies, what would you like to see? What sort of Archon would you want leading them?

From a traditional Good/Evil DnD scale, we have Chaotic Evil with the Scarlet Chorus and we have Lawful Evil with the Disfavored, yet we don't have a candidate for Neutral Evil. It makes me wonder if there'll even be another one. I really hope they don't leave us hanging with only 2 types of big evil factions to join!
 
Ragemage said:
From a traditional Good/Evil DnD scale, we have Chaotic Evil with the Scarlet Chorus and we have Lawful Evil with the Disfavored, yet we don't have a candidate for Neutral Evil. It makes me wonder if there'll even be another one. I really hope they don't leave us hanging with only 2 types of big evil factions to join!
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Well there are the other Archons to consider (Bleden Mark seems more Neutral since he is in charge of being an executioner) plus I'm thinking that it would be possible for the player to fill in that slot of Neutral Evil (perhaps even becoming an Archon?) by using both the Disfavored and the Scarlet Chorus to their advantage.

(Side note: why am I not seeing much love for Archon Tunon here? He is, after all, the Eldest of the Archons and all the Archons, even the Voices of Nerat @Dr Fallout , fear him)

EDIT: https://www.igdb.com/games/tyranny/countdown (For those of you who need to know when Tyranny precisely comes out)
 
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Tyranny, the new RPG from Fallout: New Vegas and Pillars of Eternity developer Obsidian Entertainment, puts players in a world like PoE’s, but where evil has triumphed. Through your journey, you’ll encounter and be able to ally with various factions, one of which has been more fully detailed today.

Like the other factions in the game, the Scarlet Chorus serves Kyros, who rules the land. But unlike the others, this one relies on its sheer numbers as its strength, as opposed to having the best-trained or best-equipped soldiers. It recruits from those it defeats, offering to turn former enemies into conscripts (or slowly killing anyone who declines). Those who join shed their former names and adopt new, rather uncreative ones like Three-Fingers or Gaptooth.

HAH A bunch of Old ragtag and misfits!
A handful of groups comprise the Scarlet Chorus, each with its own leader who can be challenged for their position by anyone at any time. (The entirety of the Scarlet Chorus is led by the Voices of Nerat, who, despite the name, is a single individual.) Obsidian shared further descriptions of each of the five gangs with GameSpot, which you can see below. You can also check out images of each of these and the Voices of Nerat himself in the gallery above.

  • The Horde: The Horde comprises the majority of the Scarlet Chorus. The unwashed, untrained masses fighting to earn their names. When a new conscript joins the Chorus, they must fight for everything. Food, water, shelter, even a weapon to attack the enemy with. All must be earned. The weak die quickly, and the strong rise to become gang bosses.
  • Blood Hounds: Blood Hounds are apprentice mages too weak or undisciplined to channel arcane energy via the sigils of mastery. Instead, they channel their energy directly, leaking a powerful–yet deadly–aura of energy called ‘the Bleed.’ This energy is corrosive to life, even the Blood Hounds themselves. The strongest of Blood Hounds can channel this energy to powerful ranged attacks.
  • Scarlet Furies: Scarlet Furies are the elite fighters of the Scarlet Chorus, trained to ignore pain and wounds to kill their targets. Fast and lethal, Furies dual wield weapons in a spinning, acrobatic attack style to confuse and disorient their foes.
  • Blood Chanters: Blood Chanters are the magical arm of the Scarlet Chorus. Using fire magic stolen from conquered mages, and spells of fear and frenzy gained from studying the captive Archon of Song, these lethal mages can both demoralize and devastate their opponents. They are feared as much by their fellow Choirmen as they are by their enemies.
  • The Crimson Spears: The Crimson Spears are the personal gang of the Voices of Nerat. They answer only to the Archon, and can command the obedience–if not the loyalty–of any other gang within the Scarlet Chorus. No one knows what draws the eye of the Voices, what makes him choose a gang member to become a Crimson Spear. Whatever his reasons, he grants his Spears special training in weapons and magic. They are easily the most lethal fighters within the Chorus.
 
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So from what I can gather, the Scarlet Chorus is big in numbers, but each individual is fairly weak. They sound kinda like what would happen if you had a hundred horses the size of ducks.

And the Disfavored are fewer in number, but each one is big and powerful. They sound kinda like what would happen if you had a duck the size of a horse.

So I guess that Tyranny is finally going to answer that age old question.
 
JO'Geran said:
And the Disfavored are fewer in number, but each one is big and powerful. They sound kinda like what would happen if you had a duck the size of a horse.
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And also each one were physic linked, if one dies the other absorb his power. So its rather subversion of powerhouse faction calculus trope
 
JO'Geran said:
So from what I can gather, the Scarlet Chorus is big in numbers, but each individual is fairly weak. They sound kinda like what would happen if you had a hundred horses the size of ducks.

And the Disfavored are fewer in number, but each one is big and powerful. They sound kinda like what would happen if you had a duck the size of a horse.
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I think of it like World War I's militaries in a sense.

Germany's army for example was actually quite small compared to the massive amount of Allies they were fighting, and yet Germany kicked a lot of ass because they had superior tactics and each soldier was highly trained for combat. They would be the Disfavored in a way.

Russia meanwhile had an absolutely MASSIVE army but the problem is practically half of it was barely trained greenies who hadn't even seen combat before. Literally Russia's troops were so undertrained and underequipped that half the time the commanders, in a last desperate attempt to hold off German forces, would just send troops running into German fire with only one gun and when the one with the gun dropped, another soldier would pick it up and keep going. (this last bit is probably just propaganda, but it says a lot about how underpowered the Russians were in comparison to the Germans) In a sense, with Russia, you wouldn't have small groups of high-tech well trained troops like the Germans, you would have what could be described as "howling hordes" charging at you from all directions but with barely any combat training or weapons themselves. Sounds a LOT like the Scarlet Chorus to me, huge in numbers but most of their low troops are literally just farmers and villagers that got tossed into the ranks and thrown some armor.
 
Ragemage said:
Germany's army for example was actually quite small compared to the massive amount of Allies they were fighting, and yet Germany kicked a lot of ass because they had superior tactics and each soldier was highly trained for combat. They would be the Disfavored in a way.
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Which is nonsense. It's a myth. German propaganda - for the most part, about both WW1 and WW2. I dunno why those kind of myths still are alive when historians of pretty much all nations debunked that part.

ALL nations, had advantages and disadvantages in certain areas. But if you look at the usual training routine of that time, compare the armies with milions of soldiers to each other, then you realize very quickly that there was almost no difference between the French, German and British soldiers when it comes to the overall quality of the average soldier. The largest part of the armies in WW1 and WW2 consisted of conscripts with relatively short training time. There is no way in hell that Germany was capable of training aprox 3-4 million of soldiers to the quality of 'elite' formations or regulars when the basic training in WW1 for example was somewhere between 4 and 6 weeks! Concentrating on special units and elite formations isn't the way to go, it's like looking at the Marines or regulars with years of service and conclude that it was the same for the US Army. What all nations had, have been specialiced divisions and units, with the Germans you had the Sturmpioniere and Assault Troops, particularly the Assault Troops have been an invention DURING WW1 due to the experiences of the trench warefare. The idea was to have units equipment mostly with automatic weapons and very light gear, intended to storming enemy trenches and positions. Some of those troops gained huge success in battle, like during Verdun where the Germans managed to capture some heavily defended positions - but failed to actually seize the whole area due to the high loses. The fact that Germans managed to push so far in to France, was because they moved trough Belgium which was neutral at that point. This move allowed the German military to avoid French defence positions with the intention to encircle the whole army at the border. However, the French counter attack at the Marne which was a victory for France, stoped that endeavour and both armies engaged in a 'race' to the sea pitting them in the trench warefare for 4 years. The attack on Belgium also caused Britain to join the war, so tactically and strategically the Germans made a lot of errors here. While the Schlieffenplan made eventually sense 1870 it was impossible to succesfully accompolish it in 1914.
 
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I know it's a hobby to shit all over Germany now and to the beginning of time these days and I'm sure that dude on youtube is like a master tactician to rival Napoleon himself and everything but are you guys really about to turn a a thread about Tyranny into yet another pointless "what if?" argument about WWII?
 
Oh Ragemage, do not allow yourself to fall to petty propaganda. The Russian Army went through two stages during WW1.
1. Not really experienced under trained, however they had a large amount of gear (largest amount of artillery).
2. Experienced and made up of veterans, but with chronic lack of weapons and artillery where needed.
The Russian military in both stages suffered from terrible communication and poor leadership (sometimes, they had some smart commanders like Brusilov).
 
Vergil, not what-if-scenarios but actuall facts, history as a science, you know? There is no doubt that Germany, particularly during WW2 has seen an extensive use of propaganda. Is it so unthinkable that some of it is still effective even after such a long time?
You can take a look at the German Panther tank for example. A lot of hobby-ww2 enthusiasts consider it a decent if not even the best tank of WW2. But when you look in to the details of the tank, the mechanical components, battle reports, experience from tankers and post-ww2 experiences with the vehicle - the french used a small number of Panthers in their army, it paints a different picture. One that is not in the favour of the tank. It's biggest weakness, was the final drive, they used straight cut spur gears made from low-quality steel designed for a 35 ton tank with a durability of just 140km, in what ended up being a 45 ton tank, where a sturdier type of helical cut gear from high quality steel, like the Tiger, would've been far more preferable, and almost no feature from the Panther was carried over to post war tank designs. It was a logicistcal nightmare, unreliable, weak and easy target from the large sides/rear - a survey after ww2 revealed that 70% of the tanks that got penetrated in WW2 by other tanks and/or anti tank guns had hits to the side or rear.
Historians of all branches have spend a lot of work on both WW1 and WW2. And you have exclent historians like Zaloga debunking myth after myth about the 'incredible' German Warmachine. They give respect where it applies, for example to tacticians like Guderian, who was the man behind the German tank doctrine. Or their push trough France, which is nothing short but amazing. However, what really set the Germans appart during that time, was their organisation and the fact that every armored unit had a radio! This single fact, changed the whole game on the battlefield!

But the simple truth is, on the battlefield what really matters is what works, not what some engineers or dreamers envision in their imagination. Of the many prototoypes the Germans had and used, only a handfull was really usefull, and even less made it into serial production. People see the Tiger and the myths around it, they look at the V1 and V2, but they fail to see all the errors, mistakes and failed prototoypes next to it, that do not really show this ingenuity the Germans have been so known for. Like I said, at the end of the day, the knowledge and engineering between the nations was not THAT different. Each nation, had advantages and disadvantages. It's really that simple.
 
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