Fallout 2 mod Unofficial Fo2 patch thread - problems, reports, suggestions
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with other things as ammo/weapon balancing, diminishing patrols of fully or partly wiped cities & etc.Please, if anyone has the time and means, check out WTH is wrong with Sulik in the savegame I posted on the previous page. It might be a bug with the patch itself, for a problem like that could conceivably have gone unnoticed until the late stage of a game. Equally maybe something might have gone wonky in the middle of the game. Either way, it makes him next to impossible to keep alive against big baddies.
Getting around to all the bugs posted. I have some questions regarding these. I will post more questions when I encounter them.
The casino bouncer dialogue is not checking for karma but only what you have done in Reno (ie prizefighter, porn star, made man, etc) If you don't have any of these then you are regarded as a stupid tribal. Is this what happens for you?Kwiatmen666 said:
I am not sure what you are talking about here...Kwiatmen666 said:
Who? The boxers you fight or the ones standing around?Kwiatmen666 said:
Did you go and get him?Kwiatmen666 said:
Using a super tool kit on robots in the SAD also produces the "that does nothing" message.
The emitters can become inoperable, with neither the repair skill nor tools will do anything to it. This seems to be related to them turning on and off in or out of combat (e.g. disabling with a tool in combat, it turns back on after combat ends). Explosives still work, I think.
The emitters can become inoperable, with neither the repair skill nor tools will do anything to it. This seems to be related to them turning on and off in or out of combat (e.g. disabling with a tool in combat, it turns back on after combat ends). Explosives still work, I think.
Kwiatmen666
It Wandered In From the Wastes
Kanhef said:
Did you check it? I suspected so but didn't check it after all.
killap said:
Yeah I get it now. My bad
killap said:
It refers to the point in the latest 'corrections.txt' file of your patch:
Code:
*Camera now centers on the announcer when the match first begins (no longer is the opponent outside of view)I mean that it works only "when the match first begins". It doesn't work between rounds f.e.
killap said:
The ones fighting on the ring with the char. I mean - they have their names after all, right?
killap said:
I spoke to Johnny - yes. But after an assault, in the undergrounds of Ghost Farm there was only Veiger (no other people, no kids). When I came up to Modoc Balthas was saying they killed the kids too, including his son, but his wife still says only "Please, find Johnny"
Kwiatmen666
It Wandered In From the Wastes
Argonnot said:
I disagree with these arguments. But well, if there is no statement in her scripts blocked by mistakes of developers then I think there is little Killap could do about it. At least in the patch, 'cause in expansion there is more room for this kind of corrections I guess...
I haven't looked at the script so I don't know. I'll let you know what I find.Kwiatmen666 said:
firdaus_84
First time out of the vault
Thanks for the previous reply everyone.
I'm already overwrite the save game regarding the random encounter of robbers in a cave. If you play the rough combat setting, most of the creatures in a cave of random encounter having high critical damage. Deathclaw will be deadly but mutated scorpions, rats still useless.
Right now, I'm at the New Reno. There are several bugs I just noticed,
First, if you play the Salvatore mission, after you finish any of his mission, if you still not asking for permission from Mason to enter Salvatore's room, then if one of your team mate open the Salvatore door, the game will be crash.
Second, if you assassinated Mr Bishop by using the trap in his safe, the status in the pip boy to kill the Westin in NCR still available. I believed it should be line over if you successfully assassinated the head of family(Salvatore, Bishop, Big Jesus, Westin). Same thing happen if you disarmed, then put the trap back, and repair the safe. If it's work for you guys, try leave the map for a few days and check back your status, I just noticed this after finish assassinated salvador, Mr Bishop and Big Jesus. If you kill Mr Bishop by using weapons,the status in your pip boy will be line.(assumed it's already finish). I hope
this matter will not effect my gameplay since I hate to repeat all over again.
Third, I am really confuse with the combat setting "Use Stimpak when you hurt a bit". Sulik and Vic will used the Stimpak if they hurt a bit, but when they took heavy damage, they just run away and does not try to use stimpak anymore(i never set them to coward setting). This is different if you set any character to use "Any Chem any time". If they took heavy damage, they run far away, then use stimpak to recover, after a while, they might return back in combat.
Edit : I just replay the event with Mr Bishop, there is no way to remove the status in your pip boy about killing westin in NCR after you assasinated Mr Bishop by changing his safe combinate(same with disarmed, trap again with either plastic explosive or dynamite, repair). If you kill Mr Bishop by other ways, the status will be line up. I just hope when I arrive at NCR later, Westin will not react differently to me. Of course, you need to sleep with his wife and ask if she want you to kill Mr Bishop accidently.
I'm already overwrite the save game regarding the random encounter of robbers in a cave. If you play the rough combat setting, most of the creatures in a cave of random encounter having high critical damage. Deathclaw will be deadly but mutated scorpions, rats still useless.
Right now, I'm at the New Reno. There are several bugs I just noticed,
First, if you play the Salvatore mission, after you finish any of his mission, if you still not asking for permission from Mason to enter Salvatore's room, then if one of your team mate open the Salvatore door, the game will be crash.
Second, if you assassinated Mr Bishop by using the trap in his safe, the status in the pip boy to kill the Westin in NCR still available. I believed it should be line over if you successfully assassinated the head of family(Salvatore, Bishop, Big Jesus, Westin). Same thing happen if you disarmed, then put the trap back, and repair the safe. If it's work for you guys, try leave the map for a few days and check back your status, I just noticed this after finish assassinated salvador, Mr Bishop and Big Jesus. If you kill Mr Bishop by using weapons,the status in your pip boy will be line.(assumed it's already finish). I hope
this matter will not effect my gameplay since I hate to repeat all over again.Third, I am really confuse with the combat setting "Use Stimpak when you hurt a bit". Sulik and Vic will used the Stimpak if they hurt a bit, but when they took heavy damage, they just run away and does not try to use stimpak anymore(i never set them to coward setting). This is different if you set any character to use "Any Chem any time". If they took heavy damage, they run far away, then use stimpak to recover, after a while, they might return back in combat.
Edit : I just replay the event with Mr Bishop, there is no way to remove the status in your pip boy about killing westin in NCR after you assasinated Mr Bishop by changing his safe combinate(same with disarmed, trap again with either plastic explosive or dynamite, repair). If you kill Mr Bishop by other ways, the status will be line up. I just hope when I arrive at NCR later, Westin will not react differently to me. Of course, you need to sleep with his wife and ask if she want you to kill Mr Bishop accidently.
Hm. Some quests are considered completed if you just do what you were asked to do, and some only count as completed if you report back to the one who gave you the quest.
If killing Bishop with your gun crosses out the quest, then killing him by "proper" assassination should do the same, unless (and I have NO idea if this is the case) there's somebody else lurking around to give you the reward instead (since they don't know you're the one who offed their boss). Sort of like Sheriff Greene and Deputy Kenny in F1.
If killing Bishop with your gun crosses out the quest, then killing him by "proper" assassination should do the same, unless (and I have NO idea if this is the case) there's somebody else lurking around to give you the reward instead (since they don't know you're the one who offed their boss). Sort of like Sheriff Greene and Deputy Kenny in F1.
firdaus_84
First time out of the vault
It is normal or not when you encounter "random encounter - remnant of master armies" that most of the mutants spawn out of the map? This is so difficult to me since some of them shoot my team with rocket at early combat and at rough setting, they having higher chances to score critical hit. It's happen most of the time, almost every encounter, some of mutants or centaur will be spawn out of the map. Just want to know...
Many of the random encounters seem to have spawn points in bad places - would be quite painful to go through and correct.firdaus_84 said:
As for the master army encounter, I personally don't remember ever having them spawn outside the map but I suppose it could happen.
I've installed fallout 2 (US) + latest killap's patch (no other patches or mods) and I got some glitches -
1) dogs in game stop moving/attacking and it's impossible to kill them (only way is to blow them using dynamite or plastic) and I cannot even target them, after executing aimed attack it shows that there is no body parts to attack. If I blow them up there is no death animation . Due this glitch it's impossible to complete Modoc's "Guard Grisham's brahmin" quest as dogs simply don't run into the area.
2) Avenger minigun refuses to shoot - I can target with it, reload it, but after I press attack, no reaction.
3) Chris, the Gas Station attendant at Navarro is invisible, it's impossible to kill him. After I wiped out Navarro base and Chris turned hostile it's impossible to go back the as game hangs there.
I just wonder does anybody has similiar problems. Otherwise, great patch.
Thank you.
1) dogs in game stop moving/attacking and it's impossible to kill them (only way is to blow them using dynamite or plastic) and I cannot even target them, after executing aimed attack it shows that there is no body parts to attack. If I blow them up there is no death animation . Due this glitch it's impossible to complete Modoc's "Guard Grisham's brahmin" quest as dogs simply don't run into the area.
2) Avenger minigun refuses to shoot - I can target with it, reload it, but after I press attack, no reaction.
3) Chris, the Gas Station attendant at Navarro is invisible, it's impossible to kill him. After I wiped out Navarro base and Chris turned hostile it's impossible to go back the as game hangs there.
I just wonder does anybody has similiar problems. Otherwise, great patch.
Thank you.
Wo, those are some strange issues.OneOfSand said:
Are using the installer or manual version of my patch? Is there a rock at the start of the game (the temple map) that tells you the patch version you are running?
I've recently started work on updating my guide, so I've been running into a bunch of bugs, new and old. Some of them have probably been mentioned here before, but I'm listing everything I couldn't find in the corrections file.
Arroyo
The trigger is talking to Hakunin, not completing the quest.
In most cases Cameron will attack the player by virtue of being on the Arroyo team. He's technically bugged but the description isn't entirely correct.
Klamath
This has nothing to do with "first time", it's just that the message for a critical failure is missing.
If you scare off Torr, then save and load, the Duntons become unresponsive. This is because the local variable "active" updates improperly (as if the quest was over and they shouldn't be at the pastures any more).
If you talk to the Duntons in town about work but turn them down, leave the map and return, Torr will be gone, because the Rustle_Refuse variable makes him think the quest has started and he should be at the pastures or something.
If you talk to one Dunton about work and turn him down, then talk to the other about work and choose the "Hey, wait - I really do want to help you guys out" line, there are two bugs. Firstly, if Torr is not on the downtown map for some reason, the script will try to display line 505 which doesn't exist. Secondly, the dialogue will proceed as if you're on the pastures map, and you can scare them into abandoning the quest giving you instant xp. Both would be fixed if node 948 pointed to, say, 010 instead of 027.
We talked about bartering for Slim's key recently. I saw some comments in the mapper script indicating they intended for the key to be barterable, so it seems the bug is just that it isn't worth anything.
These two look as if they refer to the same thing.
Does this refer to the nice things they say after you kill the rat king, and not just the stuff like "Damn tribals" they say when you first arrive? Because that should be red perhaps.
Den
Rebecca is supposed to attack you if you're a Childkiller, but she doesn't. It seems the reason is the same float bug that freezes Randal and Salvatore.
A stupid character says "This house is clear" after banishing Anna. Should probably be "Oog, pretti bones" or maybe nothing at all.
I have looked at it again as well as played it out in 1.02. I took the Fred quest, talked to him, killed him, returned to Rebecca and got the second quest. Then went and killed Derek, grabbed the book, returned and finished that too. The only bug that I can see with 986 and 987 is that 010 lets you go there even if you've already been there, so that becky_friends_dead can increase without limit - well, that and some string bug I already reported. But it has no impact on the quests that I can see.
Also you only get the modifier if you hit the barter button instead of going on to node 996, which seemingly nullifies the penalty.
Karl is supposed to turn hostile if you attack Mom. But you can still talk to him normally after you let him flee and end combat, as long as you don't get too close.
Modoc
If you do the mean thing with Jo's finger, it says he pulls out a shotgun but then he starts punching you.
Falling down in the Ghost Caves and being expelled from the Modoc toilet was supposed to be able to result in crippled limbs, but this doesn't happen because stat checks don't result in criticals. Not sure if there's a good substitute here.
The Midoor script makes sure that Davin's and Miria's doors cannot be locked, so that's not an issue and it beats me how it could have been reported as one.
Laddie lacks party_member_map_enter or match_dude_elevation and can therefore be lost in Modoc or Vault 15.
If you loot the lost and found box from the hex to the right of it, Rose cannot see you.
I think you were supposed to be able to urge Jo to attack the Slags after finding Jonny, but you can't.
The problem for the player isn't so much not being able to tell Balthas as not being able to tell Vegeir, if they didn't get Jonny to trust them.
There's a bug (or at least a "bug") when you talk to Jo about Karl and bodies which may stop you from being able to tell Karl to go home.
This is because the butcher on Main Street uses the same bit that is used to keep track of killing all the rats. So you can actually finish the quest just by going to Main Street, wait until evening when the butcher says his float, then go to Farrel. Not much use as a cheat though, since the xp reward is given out when you actually kill the rats.
Jo's shop keeps restocking after he dies.
Redding
When you talk to Josh in Redding about valuables, strings 165 and 166 should be switched around in node 016.
SAD
I still don't know what this refers to. I think last time you theorized that it might have been something Seraph did, but if so this internal fix shouldn't be in the corrections file.
You get xp on lvl 1 by pressing help and then NOT running the diagnostic test. This doesn't completely make sense, so maybe node 012 should point to 001 instead of 014. The terminal on level 2 doesn't give xp for using the help function to turn off the alarm, and this one doesn't either if you do it properly, so I'm pretty sure it's a mistake.
Someone reported to me that robots stepping on the electric floor in combat would crash his game. I couldn't replicate this, can anyone else? There is definitely a bug with the resulting message though, it just says " was shocked..." and doesn't attach the object name.
And still the scripter obviously set them up to be two different things - one high IN, the other higher Science - though exactly why this is so isn't entirely clear. Maybe one represents raw hacking skillz0rz and the other is a working with the system type of thing.
If you release the bots on level 1 and then turn off the alarm, they'll turn selectively invisible. If you turn off the alarm using the terminal and not by talking to Skynet, they'll also keep making floats (even if invisible) and mill about non-aggressively.
If you enter combat and run away a bit when exiting the depot with evil Skynet, it won't turn hostile (though it may still kill party members that come near). If you leave the map it will never turn hostile and will keep offering "Proceed to surface" dialogue.
Vault City
If you use Dynamite on the stuck vault door, you will say "That didn't even scratch it", but nothing actually happened. Maybe remove the item from your inventory and play the appropriate sound effect?
In the Vault City council area bar people will stand around from 6 PM to 2 AM, but if you talk to them after 7 PM they'll make floats as if they're trying to get some sleep.
Harry's shelf will keep restocking after he dies.
If you stand behind Wallace's locker and take the Day Pass from there, he can't see you doing it.
Gecko
What does this refer to? I couldn't see anything.
What would cause this? I think I asked this before but I can't remember anything conclusive.
If you haven't disabled barter for Festus already, you can use the barter trick to keep the Hy-Mag when you give it to him, and then install it manually later, allowing you to do the optimization quest all over again.
Broken Hills
Liz's manhole script has an LVAR_Gave_Exp variable and there's an EXP_FOUND_LIZ_WEAPONS entry in Exppoint.h, but it's never awarded.
Tipping Phil doesn't deduct the tip from your money.
Zaius has a Barter_Count variable which is reset every time you talk to him, so you can try any number of times to increase your reward. But if you don't reset it, then with the current limit you cannot get to the maximum reward, so I don't know exactly what the fix should be, if any. Maybe the counter should not reset, but allow one or a few more attempts in total. (As an aside, you need Barter 130% or so to have the slightest chance to get the last $100. Way to balance the usefulness of skills...)
You can get any number of Explosive Switches from Jacob by looping around in dialogue.
If you destroy the cell door with explosives, nothing happens. (You can then enter the cell and unlock the other door from the inside to complete the jailbreak.)
If you kill Liz, her inventory is transferred to her corpse from her table, which is both unnecessary and weird. Also, the table will keep restocking.
The quarrelling couple keep quarrelling during combat.
Elmo lacks code to turn him invisible if all the mutants die.
NCR
When you fight Lenny, Merk is just an "Average Merchant" and his guards are "Weak Gun Guard". Perhaps not worth fixing since you'd have to attach scripts to them.
The trigger is talking to the dog at all. Also note that if you turn him down and then go to node 006 again, it will cause you to leave dialogue.
NCR guard warning floats should perhaps be red.
This is still in the wrong place.
And this is still a duplicate.
And this is still not something you could do to my knowledge.
Misc
Cyberdog should have 117 HP on level 3 ("Stage 2").
Vic should have more HP on level 3 ("Stage 2"), like 90 or something.
Marcus, the Brain Bot and I think Myron all lose armour at some point while levelling up, but only K-9 is listed as being fixed in this regard. As for Myron's armour I think it might be a bug in itself (he gains DR 5 at some level if I recall correctly).
Arroyo
The trigger is talking to Hakunin, not completing the quest.
In most cases Cameron will attack the player by virtue of being on the Arroyo team. He's technically bugged but the description isn't entirely correct.
Klamath
This has nothing to do with "first time", it's just that the message for a critical failure is missing.
If you scare off Torr, then save and load, the Duntons become unresponsive. This is because the local variable "active" updates improperly (as if the quest was over and they shouldn't be at the pastures any more).
If you talk to the Duntons in town about work but turn them down, leave the map and return, Torr will be gone, because the Rustle_Refuse variable makes him think the quest has started and he should be at the pastures or something.
If you talk to one Dunton about work and turn him down, then talk to the other about work and choose the "Hey, wait - I really do want to help you guys out" line, there are two bugs. Firstly, if Torr is not on the downtown map for some reason, the script will try to display line 505 which doesn't exist. Secondly, the dialogue will proceed as if you're on the pastures map, and you can scare them into abandoning the quest giving you instant xp. Both would be fixed if node 948 pointed to, say, 010 instead of 027.
We talked about bartering for Slim's key recently. I saw some comments in the mapper script indicating they intended for the key to be barterable, so it seems the bug is just that it isn't worth anything.
These two look as if they refer to the same thing.
Does this refer to the nice things they say after you kill the rat king, and not just the stuff like "Damn tribals" they say when you first arrive? Because that should be red perhaps.
Den
Rebecca is supposed to attack you if you're a Childkiller, but she doesn't. It seems the reason is the same float bug that freezes Randal and Salvatore.
A stupid character says "This house is clear" after banishing Anna. Should probably be "Oog, pretti bones" or maybe nothing at all.
I have looked at it again as well as played it out in 1.02. I took the Fred quest, talked to him, killed him, returned to Rebecca and got the second quest. Then went and killed Derek, grabbed the book, returned and finished that too. The only bug that I can see with 986 and 987 is that 010 lets you go there even if you've already been there, so that becky_friends_dead can increase without limit - well, that and some string bug I already reported. But it has no impact on the quests that I can see.
Also you only get the modifier if you hit the barter button instead of going on to node 996, which seemingly nullifies the penalty.
Karl is supposed to turn hostile if you attack Mom. But you can still talk to him normally after you let him flee and end combat, as long as you don't get too close.
Modoc
If you do the mean thing with Jo's finger, it says he pulls out a shotgun but then he starts punching you.
Falling down in the Ghost Caves and being expelled from the Modoc toilet was supposed to be able to result in crippled limbs, but this doesn't happen because stat checks don't result in criticals. Not sure if there's a good substitute here.
The Midoor script makes sure that Davin's and Miria's doors cannot be locked, so that's not an issue and it beats me how it could have been reported as one.
Laddie lacks party_member_map_enter or match_dude_elevation and can therefore be lost in Modoc or Vault 15.
If you loot the lost and found box from the hex to the right of it, Rose cannot see you.
I think you were supposed to be able to urge Jo to attack the Slags after finding Jonny, but you can't.
The problem for the player isn't so much not being able to tell Balthas as not being able to tell Vegeir, if they didn't get Jonny to trust them.
There's a bug (or at least a "bug") when you talk to Jo about Karl and bodies which may stop you from being able to tell Karl to go home.
This is because the butcher on Main Street uses the same bit that is used to keep track of killing all the rats. So you can actually finish the quest just by going to Main Street, wait until evening when the butcher says his float, then go to Farrel. Not much use as a cheat though, since the xp reward is given out when you actually kill the rats.
Jo's shop keeps restocking after he dies.
Redding
When you talk to Josh in Redding about valuables, strings 165 and 166 should be switched around in node 016.
SAD
I still don't know what this refers to. I think last time you theorized that it might have been something Seraph did, but if so this internal fix shouldn't be in the corrections file.
You get xp on lvl 1 by pressing help and then NOT running the diagnostic test. This doesn't completely make sense, so maybe node 012 should point to 001 instead of 014. The terminal on level 2 doesn't give xp for using the help function to turn off the alarm, and this one doesn't either if you do it properly, so I'm pretty sure it's a mistake.
Someone reported to me that robots stepping on the electric floor in combat would crash his game. I couldn't replicate this, can anyone else? There is definitely a bug with the resulting message though, it just says " was shocked..." and doesn't attach the object name.
And still the scripter obviously set them up to be two different things - one high IN, the other higher Science - though exactly why this is so isn't entirely clear. Maybe one represents raw hacking skillz0rz and the other is a working with the system type of thing.
If you release the bots on level 1 and then turn off the alarm, they'll turn selectively invisible. If you turn off the alarm using the terminal and not by talking to Skynet, they'll also keep making floats (even if invisible) and mill about non-aggressively.
If you enter combat and run away a bit when exiting the depot with evil Skynet, it won't turn hostile (though it may still kill party members that come near). If you leave the map it will never turn hostile and will keep offering "Proceed to surface" dialogue.
Vault City
If you use Dynamite on the stuck vault door, you will say "That didn't even scratch it", but nothing actually happened. Maybe remove the item from your inventory and play the appropriate sound effect?
In the Vault City council area bar people will stand around from 6 PM to 2 AM, but if you talk to them after 7 PM they'll make floats as if they're trying to get some sleep.
Harry's shelf will keep restocking after he dies.
If you stand behind Wallace's locker and take the Day Pass from there, he can't see you doing it.
Gecko
What does this refer to? I couldn't see anything.
What would cause this? I think I asked this before but I can't remember anything conclusive.
If you haven't disabled barter for Festus already, you can use the barter trick to keep the Hy-Mag when you give it to him, and then install it manually later, allowing you to do the optimization quest all over again.
Broken Hills
Liz's manhole script has an LVAR_Gave_Exp variable and there's an EXP_FOUND_LIZ_WEAPONS entry in Exppoint.h, but it's never awarded.
Tipping Phil doesn't deduct the tip from your money.
Zaius has a Barter_Count variable which is reset every time you talk to him, so you can try any number of times to increase your reward. But if you don't reset it, then with the current limit you cannot get to the maximum reward, so I don't know exactly what the fix should be, if any. Maybe the counter should not reset, but allow one or a few more attempts in total. (As an aside, you need Barter 130% or so to have the slightest chance to get the last $100. Way to balance the usefulness of skills...)
You can get any number of Explosive Switches from Jacob by looping around in dialogue.
If you destroy the cell door with explosives, nothing happens. (You can then enter the cell and unlock the other door from the inside to complete the jailbreak.)
If you kill Liz, her inventory is transferred to her corpse from her table, which is both unnecessary and weird. Also, the table will keep restocking.
The quarrelling couple keep quarrelling during combat.
Elmo lacks code to turn him invisible if all the mutants die.
NCR
When you fight Lenny, Merk is just an "Average Merchant" and his guards are "Weak Gun Guard". Perhaps not worth fixing since you'd have to attach scripts to them.
The trigger is talking to the dog at all. Also note that if you turn him down and then go to node 006 again, it will cause you to leave dialogue.
NCR guard warning floats should perhaps be red.
This is still in the wrong place.
And this is still a duplicate.
And this is still not something you could do to my knowledge.
Misc
Cyberdog should have 117 HP on level 3 ("Stage 2").
Vic should have more HP on level 3 ("Stage 2"), like 90 or something.
Marcus, the Brain Bot and I think Myron all lose armour at some point while levelling up, but only K-9 is listed as being fixed in this regard. As for Myron's armour I think it might be a bug in itself (he gains DR 5 at some level if I recall correctly).