Update 1.3 Lies

TorontRayne said:
Martin, we have debated Fallout 4 and it's many flaws for weeks. At this point most people, even those not on NMA, agree that Fallout 4 is the worst entry in the SERIES, aside from maybe Tactics and the other one. Does it have redeeming qualities? Sure. It looks pretty, the gunplay is okay, and you can have fun with some mindless shit like building lifeless settlements, and crafting shitty equipment. If you want meaningful consequences, branching quest design, and a coherent story, look elsewhere.
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you dont remember f3 shitstorm right?
 
Hassknecht said:
You know, I also wanted to think that "it's a pretty good game", but honestly? It kinda isn't. It's entertaining for a short while, but even that entertainment is damped right from the start by all the flaws. And it gets only worse from there. It's a good timesink that gives you an illusion of fun gameplay. Exploration is what's most fun, but since most places are filled with enemies it gets old really quickly. It lacks pretty much everywhere.
What I'm trying to say is, yeah, I sunk about 50 hours or so into the game and I'd love to justify that by Fallout 4 being a good game and all, but if I'm being honest: It just isn't. It's too flawed in every possible way to be actually considered "good". It's not the worst, there's some enjoyment to be had, but it's mediocre at best. A few hours of enjoyable timewasting and unlimited hours of utterly pointless boredom.
One could argue that "well, it's a bit of fun, and isn't that what a game needs to do, really?". In a way that's correct, but Fallout 4 isn't Flappy Bird. It was not advertised and hyped as a simple time-waster, but as a role-playing-game. As the deepest story-telling-experience Bethesda ever offered. And all kinds of other superlatives. It just isn't good at what it tries to be.
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thats what i like. people not insulting me, and actually stating normal opinions. thats totally ok, and i am glad i see someone with your attitude.
 
DirtyOldShoe said:
You are correct, I did not read through your posts in full, I got bored. It felt like I was playing Fallout 4 so I just tuned out.
I do respect how you feel though and that you think people here are not reading what you have written and there may be some truth to it. Perhaps you could include less blanket statements or be less of a hypocrite by stating that people are bitching when you are doing the same thing. It's only okay to bitch about what Martin wants to, and it doesn't matter what your background is. Martin is all knowing and wise with his knowledge of all things Fallout and game development related. Sorry for bitching about Bethesda's Bullshit update lies, next time I post a thread I will consider your feelings and put a spoiler up of anything you might deem to be bitching. You clearly must have a career in game development to be so knowledgeable. Thank you for honoring me with your wisdom. I will now blindly accept random statements without reference or fact.
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you really didnt read what i wrote. get back and read it, i dont like repeating myself.
 
TorontRayne said:
I do.
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then you would remember that this forum was immideately flooded for like a several years, with complains, bitching, and legitimate criticism. for several years. and people too considered f3 total letdown, and worst thing to happen to the series ever.

today, we stand here again. same complains, bitching and legitimate criticism. old song in a new shirt.
is this what this community wants? ofc, criticism is good, i talk about senceless nitpicking.because lets be honest, we can nitpick things about everything.
 
Martin said:
you really didnt read what i wrote. get back and read it, i dont like repeating myself.
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As I said, I didn't read everything you wrote because I find your posts to be either redundant, hypocritical or both with no references or facts. I would ask what specifically about my OP seemed like 'flaming' or 'bitching' but I honestly don't think you have the ability to formulate an intelligible retort without adding "You didn't read bla bla bla I love Bethesda." or "pewpew is fun."
 
ah, a troll.
DirtyOldShoe said:
As I said, I didn't read everything you wrote because I find your posts to be either redundant, hypocritical or both with no references or facts. I would ask what specifically about my OP seemed like 'flaming' or 'bitching' but I honestly don't think you have the ability to formulate an intelligible retort without adding "You didn't read bla bla bla I love Bethesda." or "pewpew is fun."
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ok, i understand. now hush hush, go troll someone else.
 
Martin said:
then you would remember that this forum was immideately flooded for like a several years, with complains, bitching, and legitimate criticism. for several years. and people too considered f3 total letdown, and worst thing to happen to the series ever.

today, we stand here again. same complains, bitching and legitimate criticism. old song in a new shirt.
is this what this community wants? ofc, criticism is good, i talk about senceless nitpicking.because lets be honest, we can nitpick things about everything.
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Isn't this what a forum is for? The game and its developers deserve every criticism it gets, because we have seen enough to notice a pattern here, and that is Bethesda never learns from its past mistakes, and they can't write a proper story/dialogue to save their life. And that is not nitpicking. Most of us can write a whole book on the flaws of FO4 without going into the nitty gritty stuff, like how Nick Valentine can go swimming with you.

Now that I've finished the game, it is more broken than ever. I destroyed the BoS, and Danse is bugged so he can't be interacted with. I blow up the Institute, but X6-88 still admires me. There's no excuse for such fuckery. Having a small team is something most Beth fanboys would bring up, but would you wait 2 hours for your food just because a restaurant didn't have enough chefs? The moral of the story is: That is not my fucking problem.

Trust me, Fallout 5 will have Dogmeat exiting the vault together with you, the vault dweller in full Power Armour + minigun, and your first quest is to find your mom, who turns out to have been gender changed into a man called 'Daddy'. There will be only 2 dialogue options, one is to say yes in a nice way, and the 2nd is to say yes in a nasty way.
 
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Martin said:
then you would remember that this forum was immideately flooded for like a several years, with complains, bitching, and legitimate criticism. for several years. and people too considered f3 total letdown, and worst thing to happen to the series ever.

today, we stand here again. same complains, bitching and legitimate criticism. old song in a new shirt.
is this what this community wants? ofc, criticism is good, i talk about senceless nitpicking.because lets be honest, we can nitpick things about everything.
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I'm not totally sure what your point is or what you think I am saying. The community is fine the way it is. People keep coming in here and saying "Is this what the community wants/is like..." without knowing much about it. By all means continue to like mediocre "RPG's" and we will continue to tell you, and anyone else, they are shit. If any of you liked the real Fallout games you would be playing Underrail and not talking about this horseshit.
 
Immortalkickass said:
Isn't this what a forum is for? The game and its developers deserve every criticism it gets, because we have seen enough to notice a pattern here, and that is Bethesda never learns from its past mistakes, and they can't write a proper story/dialogue to save their life. And that is not nitpicking. Most of us can write a whole book on the flaws of FO4 without going into the nitty gritty stuff, like how Nick Valentine can go swimming with you.

Now that I've finished the game, it is more broken than ever. I destroyed the BoS, and Danse is bugged so he can't be interacted with. I blow up the Institute, but X6-88 still admires me. There's no excuse for such fuckery. Having a small team is something most Beth fanboys would bring up, but would you wait 2 hours for your food just because a restaurant didn't have enough chefs? The moral of the story is: That is not my fucking problem.

Trust me, Fallout 5 will have Dogmeat exiting the vault together with you, the vault dweller in full Power Armour + minigun, and your first quest is to find your mom, who turns out to have been gender changed into a man called 'Daddy'. There will be only 2 dialogue options, one is to say yes in a nice way, and the 2nd is to say yes in a nasty way.
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never said much of the criticism is not ok. read my other posts.
 
TorontRayne said:
I'm not totally sure what your point is or what you think I am saying. The community is fine the way it is. People keep coming in here and saying "Is this what the community wants/is like..." without knowing much about it. By all means continue to like mediocre "RPG's" and we will continue to tell you, and anyone else, they are shit. If any of you liked the real Fallout games you would be playing Underrail and not talking about this horseshit.
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so because i enjoy f4, i cant enjoy other games? oh. ok. never new that. gonna throw f1 f2 out of the window now. and wasteland too. and underrail too for that matter. because i aparently cant like both. good to know.
 
Martin said:
so because i enjoy f4, i cant enjoy other games? oh. ok. never new that. gonna throw f1 f2 out of the window now. and wasteland too. and underrail too for that matter. because i aparently cant like both. good to know.
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I doubt you play Underrail.
 
Martin said:
never said much of the criticism is not ok. read my other posts.
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I read them all but they were all either wrong or pointless.

You said we take things personally. Wrong.

You defended the bugs because you didn't come across one. Good for you, but it does not change the fact that the game is buggy as hell to MOST people. You were just lucky.
 
Martin said:
so because i enjoy f4, i cant enjoy other games? oh. ok. never new that. gonna throw f1 f2 out of the window now. and wasteland too. and underrail too for that matter. because i aparently cant like both. good to know.
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You can like whatever you want, if you like shitty pewpew games like Fallout 4 that's fine. You can also like good Games like Fallout NV 1 and 2. All that that means is that you have poor judgment sometimes, are easily amused by shooting things, don't have any ambitions for game developers and that there is a glimmer of hope that you might see that you have been supporting literal shit and talking out your ass about a garbage game. You have every right to disagree with my op, but accusing members of bitching, flaming and taking things personally comes off as fanboy-butthurt-baby. You post your options as if they are grounded but you use no logic to support them. Bethesda lies about everything. This thread is to archive more of those lies.
Take a look.
 
sigh. do i explain to you how things work again? bugs are individual for all systems. and for so complex game as is this, bug are inevitable. still its much much better than with f3 and slightly better than with fnv, bugwise.

and why is that i cant enjoy 2 different things?
 
DirtyOldShoe said:
You can like whatever you want, if you like shitty pewpew games like Fallout 4 that's fine. You can also like good Games like Fallout NV 1 and 2. All that that means is that you have poor judgment sometimes, are easily amused by shooting things, don't have any ambitions for game developers and that there is a glimmer of hope that you might see that you have been supporting literal shit and talking out your ass about a garbage game. You have every right to disagree with my op, but accusing members of bitching, flaming and taking things personally comes off as fanboy-butthurt-baby. You post your options as if they are grounded but you use no logic to support them. Bethesda lies about everything. This thread is to archive more of those lies.
Take a look.
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yea.. how dare i have different opinion. i see pattern here. do i insult you? do i make fun of you for not liking f4? or for playing older games, or isometric ones? do i insult any of you? no. never did. yet you insult me on regular basis. whats with you people? (reffering to people i talked with, and are insisting on insulting me)
 
Martin said:
sigh. do i explain to you how things work again? bugs are individual for all systems. and for so complex game as is this, bug are inevitable. still its much much better than with f3 and slightly better than with fnv, bugwise.

and why is that i cant enjoy 2 different things?
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You come here, telling us things we already know, thinking Fallout is the only game we play. Do you honestly think we are that stupid? We know how things work, thank you very much.

Beth have a reputation for producing janky games, do you think people just made them up? Every game has bugs, but Fallout 4 just seems to have more. Just because you can't see the bugs doesn't mean its not there. It could be right in your face, but you just didn't notice it.
 
Martin said:
bugs are individual for all systems. and for so complex game as is this, bug are inevitable.
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You sir are incorrect. Stop. You do not understand what bugs are or fixes. You do not have working knowledge of these things. Stop bitching about pointing out Bethesda's lies already. Aren't you supposed to be working on a mod? All bugs are different, some bugs are global and some are local and some are not even bugs. If you read my op you would know this, but alas, you did not and you write out of ignorance. Please learn how bugs work and what is classified as a bug before posting about bugs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_testinghttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_testing
 
Immortalkickass said:
You come here, telling us things we already know, thinking Fallout is the only game we play. Do you honestly think we are that stupid? We know how things work, thank you very much.

Beth have a reputation for producing janky games, do you think people just made them up? Every game has bugs, but Fallout 4 just seems to have more. Just because you can't see the bugs doesn't mean its not there. It could be right in your face, but you just didn't notice it.
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i noticed few bugs here and there. if you did read my posts, which you claimed you did, you would see that i wrote several bug reports to beth. and i agree. beth have reputation for buggy games. then again, their complexiticy leaves them vulneable to bugs. more than pretty much all other types of games. thats not apologising them. thats explaining why they are there, and will be there for long time, and that there will appear more.
 
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