US presidential elections thread

Who do you want to be POTUS?

  • Donald Trump

    Votes: 6 18.8%
  • Ted Cruz

    Votes: 2 6.3%
  • John Kasich

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Hillary Clinton

    Votes: 1 3.1%
  • Bernie Sanders

    Votes: 23 71.9%

  • Total voters
    32
I honestly don't care about the U.S. election.

To me, Trump is some fuckwit who said some dumb shit for publicity.

Hillary Clinton is Julia Gillard.

Ted Cruz is some random dickhead.

John Kasich is some random dickhead.

Bernie Sanders is an old dickhead who is probably going to be president.
 
And I say again, it's not racist. Islam is a belief system. It's like saying you're racist because you don't like nazis.
And I say it again, any self respected Democracy, has religous freedom written in it's constitution, and that for a reason. We have been over this already a couple of times. You don't like it? Go and chose a nation that doesn't have it. Like Somalia. It also has almost no laws that you have to follow either. You're dream state isn't it? You can finally open a business and not bother with any government. At all.
To be more serious, National Socialism for starters, is a political ideology where as Islam is a religion. Do we really have to go over the difference here?
One of the big problem is, when you start to talk about Muslims you can not talk about the Muslim, like an entity, just as how you can not talk about the Christian. Even you have to agree that Catholicism is not exchangeable with Baptists or Jehovas Wittness. And what surprise, the Islamic world shows the same kind of diversity. Religion as a whole, is a dangerous system and not meant to govern or rule ANY state. Not in medieval times, and not today. It doesn't matter if we talk about Islam, Christianity or even Buddhism. All those know about relligious wars and fanatism, and all religiouns can be exploited. Homosexuals have it barelly better in Russia, Hungary or Poland and the situation for the situation for the Romani people in Hungary is pretty dire in particular. If we talk about fundamentalism as part of Islam, than we have to talk about it as a part of Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism and Hinduism as well. Fundamental beliefs are a part of EVERY religion.

Just ask your self this (which I doubt you will):
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http://aattp.org/here-are-8-christian-terrorist-organizations-that-equal-isis/

So this is it?

Nope. There are hundreds more. I mentioned a few of them in the article — the Covenant, the Sword, and the Arm of the Lord, the Oklahoma Constitution Militia, and the Provisional IRA are just a few who didn’t get entries but deserve noting anyway. By now it should be apparent to anyone watching that Christian Terrorism is a thing, it exists, and it’s just as bad and widespread as Islamic Terrorism. The only difference between Christian Terrorism and Islamic terrorism is that Christian Terrorism never makes the evening news.


Infact, Islamic terrorism, kills even MORE Muslims than it does Christians. And more Muslims are in war with each other, than with any European nation or the US. They again, kill each other, a lot more. Just as we did, 70 years ago. People forget way to easily that just 2 generations ago, you could find the US in war with Britain, Canada, or Germany with France, or the whole world against Germany in WW2 ...

And the midle east, has the exact same diversity. With the Osmanic Empire, Muslims fought constantly each other. Iran and Iraq in partiuclar have a very bloody history. 12 years of war, and the western nations supplied them with the necessary weapons even. And we have not even talked about all the conflicts between Jews and Christians or Jews and Muslims.

But you go, and concentrate on the evening news as your whole source.

Not nearly as much. It was almost exclusive to Europe (Italy and Spain, before the war started and puppet regimes started popping up)
Aaaaaaaaand parts of South-America, Africa and Asia. But you're right, only Europe. Central Europe of course.
But since we are talking about Dictatorships in general, it doesn't really matter what kills you, as even you agreed to that much. Choosing the lesser evil? Don't chose anything of it. A Dictatorship is a dictatorship. IF you think that Communism is not about an elite rulling over the masses, just like in Fascism, then you're dellusional.

If you can't dethrone the most powerful country in the world, how can global domination be in your plans?

As for Germany having plans to take the US - source?
The leadership was definetly aware about the issues you just named. What ever if you want to read conquering and domination in to that or not, is up to you. But there can be no doubt, that they saw their expansionism getting them at one point or another in conflict with the US and ultimately confronted with the problem, how to hit them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amerika_Bomber
The Amerika-Bomber project was an initiative of the German Reichsluftfahrtministerium to obtain a long-range strategic bomber for the Luftwaffe that would be capable of striking the contiguous United States from Germany, a distance of about 5,800 km (3,600 mi). The concept was raised as early as 1938, but advanced, cogent plans for such a long-range strategic bomber design did not begin to appear in Reichsmarschall Hermann Göring's offices until early 1942. Various proposals were put forward, including using it to deliver an atomic bomb (which Germany ultimately never developed), but they were all eventually abandoned as too expensive, and potentially consuming far too much of Germany's rapidly diminishing aviation production capacity after 1942.

And this, was by far not the only, just the more realistic, project they came up with before and during the war.

If you have actual fucking historians sharing your opinion, you shouldn't have trouble coming up with actual evidence and arguments to support your childish claims.

Even your own previous post cites actual historians whose opinions support my arguments.
Done.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_foreign_policy_debate
The argument most historians have over Nazi Germany's expansive goals seems to be over whether Nazi Germany wanted to rule Europe or, the world, either way it's close enough to global domination.
The guy is simply crazy, there is not much you can do about it. He has only a very rudementary understanding of history and how historical events unfold. For example, he even tried to somewhat justify the anti-semitsm of the 1920s and I am not even sure if he sees a conection between it and the Hollocaust of WW2. Just remember, no matter what we say, we probably can't reach him.

Anyway. Obviously, when we are talking about German fascism, National Socialism and the expansionism, we step in a very complex and very large field. It is a part of history with it's own research for a reason. In General, the German Reich and the period is seperated in different chapters, like before 1933, between 1933-36, the years before the war and the war itself, which is also divided in to sperate chaters, like early, mid and late war. One thing, that becomes very clear though, the more ground Germany lost politically and in teritory (particularly later in the war), it became more and more radical, with the ideology and the opression. The last victims, of the Nazi-Party, was in that sense, their own population. Just saying something like, the war is lost, could have got you killed in 1945, what ever if you have been a member of the Nazi-Party or not. And in the end, Hitler had no qualms to get even rid of his most loyal supporters, days before the end of the war.
There is no doubt however, that Hitler and his Party, explained their politics and ideology right from the begining, when they assumed power. But Hitler also understood very well, that he had to play different roles. It is in that sense als interesting to see how he acted and spoke different, depending on the crowd he had in front of him. Since Hitler was a man of average intelligence and without any special technical skills, this, was probably his one and only exceptional trait as person, understanding how to adress a certain group. He would have made a decent actor I guess. This tactic however, didn't work always though.
So while world domination was inded, not a goal implied directly by their manifests, there was no doubt, that if they followed all of their goals, it would have lead to a world war, either with Britain, France or even the US. Or at least a war in Europe. Hence why so few people actually beliefed Hitlers more radical concepts, as they indedd thought, that only a lunatic would follow those. And it was not rare in the 1920s and 30s that many political groups shouted a lot of crazy ideas. What ever if Hitler and his closest companions actually REALLY followed every ideal, is a very controversially debated point in history. There are several quotes by Hitler and Goebels for example, which explain in their words, how stupid the population is as a whole and how easy they can be manipulated.
 
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As vile, repugnant, reprehensible and despicable as the Westboro Baptist Church are they don't assassinate cartoonists or blow up civilians on public transport. The only violence they do is to the boundaries of the 1st Amendment and good taste.


I swear, watching you guys discuss politics is like watching paraplegics do the tango. It's always ends up the same too. We could start a thread about pastries and by page 3 it's the same old tired shit. Can't we just have one big "Sins of The West/US/whitey" thread and contain it at that? Mods can you get on that?

Strokers.

We just can't have nice things anymore.
 
Have you read Mein Kampf? It's pretty clear when it comes race war. "Rassenkampf statt Klassenkampf" (race war instead of class war) is one of the fundamental ideas that Hitler used to unite Germany.
It's also pretty clear on expansion to the east, not just those places with german minorities, but all of Russia. And not because of communism, but explicitly for expanding Germany, "Lebensraum". That has always been a goal. Not much open in the beginning, but in the Liebmann records of 1933 he again mentions "Lebensraum im Osten" as one possible thing to do with the gained political power.
Africa and Asia were not explicitly mentioned early on, as the main goal was (Eastern) Europe. But there were plans for regaining the lost colonies, and given the general Blut & Boden ideology in the end it would have made sense for them to finally eradicate the indigenuous population.
It is disputed if Hitler planned for global domination from the beginning, but this ideology certainly makes it easy to justify further expansion as soon as one expansion is complete.

The race war of Aryans against Jews, not conquest of Africa and Asia. Even the eastern question never left planning stage, with many different plans suggested for the method and magnitude of German colonization. Either way, the idea that the war was about Hitler trying to conquer the entire world is just unsubstantiated.

And I say it again, any self respected Democracy, has religous freedom written in it's constitution, and that for a reason. We have been over this already a couple of times. You don't like it? Go and chose a nation that doesn't have it. Like Somalia. It also has almost no laws that you have to follow either. You're dream state isn't it? You can finally open a business and not bother with any government. At all.
Hey, you're the one who likes Islam so much and believes race in no way affects intelligence, Somalia seems like it would suit you way more than me.
To be more serious, National Socialism for starters, is a political ideology where as Islam is a religion. Do we really have to go over the difference here?
Islam isn't just a religion, it's also a system of governance.
One of the big problem is, when you start to talk about Muslims you can not talk about the Muslim, like an entity, just as how you can not talk about the Christian. Even you have to agree that Catholicism is not exchangeable with Baptists or Jehovas Wittness. And what surprise, the Islamic world shows the same kind of diversity. Religion as a whole, is a dangerous system and not meant to govern or rule ANY state. Not in medieval times, and not today. It doesn't matter if we talk about Islam, Christianity or even Buddhism. All those know about relligious wars and fanatism, and all religiouns can be exploited. Homosexuals have it barelly better in Russia, Hungary or Poland and the situation for the situation for the Romani people in Hungary is pretty dire in particular. If we talk about fundamentalism as part of Islam, than we have to talk about it as a part of Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism and Hinduism as well. Fundamental beliefs are a part of EVERY religion.
If you are comparing the situation of Russian, Polish or Hungarian homosexuals to that of those found in Muslim countries, you are beyond delusional.
http://aattp.org/here-are-8-christian-terrorist-organizations-that-equal-isis/

So this is it?

Nope. There are hundreds more. I mentioned a few of them in the article — the Covenant, the Sword, and the Arm of the Lord, the Oklahoma Constitution Militia, and the Provisional IRA are just a few who didn’t get entries but deserve noting anyway. By now it should be apparent to anyone watching that Christian Terrorism is a thing, it exists, and it’s just as bad and widespread as Islamic Terrorism. The only difference between Christian Terrorism and Islamic terrorism is that Christian Terrorism never makes the evening news.

So you really are delusional. Show me the numbers. All these organizations combined probably killed less people throughout their existance than Islamic terrorism does in a year. The reason Christian terrorism (or any other kind of terrorism) don't make it to the news as much as Islamic terrorism is because it kills a lot less people. And none of the more dangerous Christian terrorist groups are part of our civilization anyway, you'll find that people like me would be just as averse to importing masses of Congolese Christians as we are now to armies of Muslims.

Infact, Islamic terrorism, kills even MORE Muslims than it does Christians. And more Muslims are in war with each other, than with any European nation or the US. They again, kill each other, a lot more. Just as we did, 70 years ago. People forget way to easily that just 2 generations ago, you could find the US in war with Britain, Canada, or Germany with France, or the whole world against Germany in WW2 ...
How is the fact that it kills more Muslims than Christians relevant? It kills more of them because they are easier to kill. Western civilization hasn't had religious warfare since 1648.
But you go, and concentrate on the evening news as your whole source.
It's so cute to see leftists believing that the media is actually against them and that they are still the rebels.
Aaaaaaaaand parts of South-America, Africa and Asia. But you're right, only Europe. Central Europe of course. But since we are talking about Dictatorships in general, it doesn't really matter what kills you, as even you agreed to that much. Choosing the lesser evil? Don't chose anything of it. A Dictatorship is a dictatorship. IF you think that Communism is not about an elite rulling over the masses, just like in Fascism, then you're dellusional.
Again, less detrimental to the economy. Better a rich than a poor slave. Sometimes there are no good choices.

The leadership was definetly aware about the issues you just named. What ever if you want to read conquering and domination in to that or not, is up to you. But there can be no doubt, that they saw their expansionism getting them at one point or another in conflict with the US and ultimately confronted with the problem, how to hit them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amerika_Bomber
The Amerika-Bomber project was an initiative of the German Reichsluftfahrtministerium to obtain a long-range strategic bomber for the Luftwaffe that would be capable of striking the contiguous United States from Germany, a distance of about 5,800 km (3,600 mi). The concept was raised as early as 1938, but advanced, cogent plans for such a long-range strategic bomber design did not begin to appear in Reichsmarschall Hermann Göring's offices until early 1942. Various proposals were put forward, including using it to deliver an atomic bomb (which Germany ultimately never developed), but they were all eventually abandoned as too expensive, and potentially consuming far too much of Germany's rapidly diminishing aviation production capacity after 1942.

And this, was by far not the only, just the more realistic, project they came up with before and during the war.

They were at war, of course someone made some kind of plan how to attack America, but presenting that as proof of their intention to conquer the world is like presenting Napoleon's idea to attack British India with a Russian cossack army as positive proof that he wanted to conquer Asia. Or the world.
 
Religion as a whole, is a dangerous system and not meant to govern or rule ANY state. Not in medieval times, and not today.

Sorry to butt in here, but by the way you're wording that, you're acting like a completely secular nation is any better. Are we forgetting Hitler, Stalin, Mao Zedong, Kim Il Sung, and Pol Pot all hated religion, were militant Athestis, and ended up killing MILLIONS of their OWN people? (yes that does include Hitler given the mass slaughter of Jews, paraplegics, homosexuals, and the mentally handicapped in his own ruling country of Germany)

A fully Atheistic government is just as bad as a fully religious one. History has proven that. Not old history either, but very recent history. A fully religious government or fully secular government is never a good thing. You can't pretend one side is better than the other in this case. The best of both worlds, if done in a way where our government is actually efficient, would be something like the US Congress. All races, all religions, all ideologies, all under a single roof debating and making laws. Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hinduists, Buddhists, Atheists, Agnostics, blacks, whites, Indians, etc etc are all under one roof when it comes to our politics. It's not that great of a system since nothing ever gets done thanks to Democrats and Republicans constantly butting heads like infantile children, but still, if it weren't for the 2 party system I feel like our government would be the best way to show that a whole melting pot of people can get along in a single government entity.
 
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Where did I said I wanted to live in a dictatorship? The question was what ever if Islam is inherently worse compared to a Christian theocracy. Not if it makes the worse dictatorship. What are you guys, obtuse?

As vile, repugnant, reprehensible and despicable as the Westboro Baptist Church are they don't assassinate cartoonists or blow up civilians on public transport. The only violence they do is to the boundaries of the 1st Amendment and good taste.
It just served as example, to show that a religion as whole is pretty fucking diverse. You would not want them to rule a nation either. Definetly not as Homosexual.

I swear, watching you guys discuss politics is like watching paraplegics do the tango. It's always ends up the same too. We could start a thread about pastries and by page 3 it's the same old tired shit. Can't we just have one big "Sins of The West/US/whitey" thread and contain it at that? Mods can you get on that?
The point isn't to blame everything on "The West" or "Whitey" as you say. But is it so wrong to say, that HUMANS(!) do bad things? And not, WHITEY or MUSLIMS or what ever. With examples, like christian terrorism, it serves the purpose to show, that yea, fucked up people exist everywhere, at all times, in all cultures.
For fucks sake, most of the time you can not even agree on that, it's always Christians > Muslims or West > Midle-East. Took a Hollocaust that some right-wing populists in Germany today talk about the German Jewish-Christian Culture vs. Islam ... I am curious what it will take so that those right wing nutjobs in 70 years talk about German Jewish-Muslim-Christian Culture against Hinduist Immigrants storming Europe.

The race war of Aryans against Jews, not conquest of Africa and Asia. Even the eastern question never left planning stage, with many different plans suggested for the method and magnitude of German colonization. Either way, the idea that the war was about Hitler trying to conquer the entire world is just unsubstantiated.
Go and read Mein Kampf, as Hass said. You could at least educate your self about the subject first. And you accuse him of lacking reading comprehension.
But go on, disagree with most historians and the scientitific consensus here. And Humor us with your evidence, as Hass perfectly well explained, if you look at the ideology and planing of the Nazi party and the Third Reich it doesn't take much immiganiation to guess where it was eventually heading to, Kampf der Kulturen or Race/Culture-War. There are enough documents, anecdotes and direct quotes by Hitler, Himmler, the Party, it's leaders, their manifests and of course their actions before and during the War which paint a very clear immage. What ever if their targets have been realistic or not, is a whole different question. Seriously, it does take a very special mind to believe that the motifs and ideals of the Nazi party and their leaders havn't been motivated by a very racist ideology and idea that a certain race is supposed to rule and dominate the other ones.

Hey, you're the one who likes Islam so much and believes race in no way affects intelligence, Somalia seems like it would suit you way more than me.
I don't like the Islam, but as democrat I sure will defend the right of Muslims to follow their religion and I don't judge people based solely on their confession.

Islam isn't just a religion, it's also a system of governance.
Just like Christianity, Buddhism, Judaism and Hinduism. I said several times, religion is a very bad system for governance. No matter what religion we are talking about. I don't want Shariah Law more than I want the 10 commandments or the Bible as government, as Homosexual you probably can guess why I am not fond of either religion.

If you are comparing the situation of Russian, Polish or Hungarian homosexuals to that of those found in Muslim countries, you are beyond delusional.
The trash mountain at your neighbours front yard, isn't removing the turd on your door-mat. Homosexuals are, prosecuted, condemned and killed in European nations. But yeah, you're right, I am sure it helps the opressed and discriminated Romani in Hungary tremendiously to know that some Muslim nations are much worse.


So you really are delusional. Show me the numbers. All these organizations combined probably killed less people throughout their existance than Islamic terrorism does in a year.
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You know why he's smiling, after you said that?
Because you just proved him right. Again.

I'll be long gone before some smart person even figures out what happend inside this oval office
(George W. Bush, Washington DC, 12 May, 2008)

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http://micdotcom.tumblr.com/post/122355402540/since-01-non-muslim-terrorists-have-killed

The global War on Terror and the NATO wars has killed 4 Million Muslims since 2001, probably even more.

How is the fact that it kills more Muslims than Christians relevant? It kills more of them because they are easier to kill. Western civilization hasn't had religious warfare since 1648.
Muslim =/= Terrorist. That's why it's relevant.

They were at war,
In 1938. And Hitler died at old age in Argentina. By the way, it was Germany which opened hostilities at the US, not the US at Germany. Remember? Decleration of war in 1942?
 
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Go and read Mein Kampf, as Hass said. You could at least educate your self about the subject first. And you accuse him of lacking reading comprehension.
But go on, disagree with most historians and the scientitific consensus here. And Humor us with your evidence, as Hass perfectly well explained, if you look at the ideology and planing of the Nazi party and the Third Reich it doesn't take much immiganiation to guess where it was eventually heading to, Kampf der Kulturen or Race/Culture-War. There are enough documents, anecdotes and direct quotes by Hitler, Himmler, the Party, it's leaders, their manifests and of course their actions before and during the War which paint a very clear immage. What ever if their targets have been realistic or not, is a whole different question. Seriously, it does take a very special mind to believe that the motifs and ideals of the Nazi party and their leaders havn't been motivated by a very racist ideology and idea that a certain race is supposed to rule and dominate the other ones.
The one who asserts the claim has to provide evidence, and when it comes to Hitler wanting to conquer the world, you don't have any. Innocent until proven guilty.

I don't like the Islam, but as democrat I sure will defend the right of Muslims to follow their religion and I don't judge people based solely on their confession.
And they don't like you either. And unlike your tolerant ways, their way of dealing with your kind is to throw you off rooftops. If you survive, I'm sure you will become reacquainted with your inner Kebab Remover.

Just like Christianity, Buddhism, Judaism and Hinduism. I said several times, religion is a very bad system for governance. No matter what religion we are talking about. I don't want Shariah Law more than I want the 10 commandments or the Bible as government, as Homosexual you probably can guess why I am not fond of either religion.
So that's why you support importing masses of people from cultures in which there is no such thing as separation of church and state.
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The trash mountain at your neighbours front yard, isn't removing the turd on your door-mat. Homosexuals are, prosecuted, condemned and killed in European nations. But yeah, you're right, I am sure it helps the opressed and discriminated Romani in Hungary tremendiously to know that some Muslim nations are much worse.

But if that mountain of trash is headed for you, tending to the turd isn't the most prudent choice of action.
And well, when you make conning and stealing a part of your culture and refuse to assimilate with any European nation for 1500 years, you're bound to end up discriminated. You shouldn't ignore how discriminating they are themselves.
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http://micdotcom.tumblr.com/post/122355402540/since-01-non-muslim-terrorists-have-killed

The global War on Terror and the NATO wars has killed 4 Million Muslims since 2001, probably even more.

Your picture is just plain wrong. Muslim terrorists have killed more than 48 people since 9/11, and I would like to see which "right-wing terrorists" they are referring to.
 
I have only one question to all you Muslim experts.

Did you ever, had to suffer from serious racism, hate and bigotry? Did you ever had to face a situation where you feared about your life without escape?

Because I did.
 
Sorry to butt in here, but by the way you're wording that, you're acting like a completely secular nation is any better. Are we forgetting Hitler, Stalin, Mao Zedong, Kim Il Sung, and Pol Pot

Don't think anyone of those did what they did because of atheism, though, but rather for their fiery political agendas (eg. communism and national socialism).


In any case, the whole 'Murican election stuff that's going on, from what I've seen of it on news, looks like a fucking joke. People competing with cock sizes and all, and barely any news coming from the other side. I've no idea who'd I vote if I had to right now.
 
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Don't think anyone of those did what they did because of atheism, though, but rather for their fiery political agendas (eg. communism and national socialism).

Not necessarily, but each one of them did kill thousands of religious people because their versions of Communism and National Socialism said religion could not co-exist with Marx's and Mussolini's ideologies of a perfect utopian world. Pol Pot as an example had all Buddhists in Cambodia not just killed, but tortured as well, and then proceeded to turn their temples into extermination camps where they were slaughtered in mass. You can read about that here: https://www.culturalsurvival.org/pu...rly/cambodia/buddhism-and-revolution-cambodia The rest of the people I listed aren't any better in that regard. Not all the atrocities they committed were due to Atheism, I'm not saying that, but I am saying they slaughtered tons and tons of religious people because of Atheism. It played a role in their mass murders. I'm not saying this means religious people are exempt from this either. A fully religious government can be just as bad, look at all the atrocities the Ottoman Empire committed, or the English under Henry the VIII. My point was that you can't just call a government headed only by religion "dangerous" when the opposite, a full-on Atheist government, is just as dangerous. I'm simply playing the "devil's advocate" in this situation and pointing out you can't just call one side of the same coin flawed when the other side is the same.
 
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My point was that you can't just call a government headed only by religion "dangerous" when the opposite, a full-on Atheist government, is just as dangerous.

I got that, I guess my point was that atheism by itself doesn't make anyone dangerous the same way religion can (with those "higher power" doctrines and commandings that just must be obeyed), there's no logical pathway to that (as far as I can see), it needs an outside element like communism or any other political "ism" - or just simply some form of insanity - that is in some way prone for causing such acts; and even then those political ism's (and mental disorders) are capable of causing the atrocities by themselves regardless of secularity or religion.

This is a bit of a sidetrack from the topic, but it's just something that came to mind while reading this page.
 
A neutral government is the only sane option in that regard. Theocracy's suck, nothing comes out of those except bigotry and, inquisitions; nations that are hardline atheists commonly attempt to replace faith with the state and, always manage to fuck it up entirely.
An agnostic state won't fuck with anyone
 
He's an admitted homosexual who used to live in Serbia/still does but went to Germany for a while. I think you can figure out the rest given the state Serbia's been in ever since World War 1. It's most likely a very sensitive story anyway based off how he worded it. It would be a lot better to ask him in a private conversation via inbox rather than asking on a public forum thread.
 
Well yeah, I'm sure we all have a rough idea of whatever happened to him, that doesn't stop the subject from being interesting. Of course I and (hopefully) Illuminati will cease asking him for details if he says he doesn't want to talk about it.
 
I dunno, for whatever reason, I'm not inside Crni's head. Besides he didn't go into detail in the first place, perhaps he considers it private.
 
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Why would he bring it up if he doesn't want to talk about it?
No, I won't talk about it in detail.
The reason why I bring this is up is because I assume that many who see Islam as the absolute evil here actually never had any contacts with Muslims in the first place, anda chance to engage in deep discussions with them, getting to really know the people behind the religion, and probably don't know what it is like when you're part of a minority. How people react, despite the fact that you know the language fluently and the culture and that you have been born in the same nation. Suddenly all of that is forgotten and you see how they start to judge you, when they hear your name, which obviously isn't something they heard before, even though they only thing they know comes from the media. You don't know how sick and tired you can be from the same questions by the same dumb people. All. The. Fucking. Time.
Oh? Where is your name from, it sound so fancy? Ah, your parents are from Serbia? I see. All those wars and crimes, so horrorible though, those poor Albanians! Why are the Serbians so evil? No clue, you tell me, German, why have there been so many Nazis in WW2? All those concentration camps and killing. Why was the German people so evil? Every German was a Nazi? Right? Do you feel sorry for your grandfather? And that's the point where some get angry.
But! Not every German was a Nazi! You can't compare it like that, it was such a loooong time ago! What has this to do with me!

Well screw you then. Why do I have to feel guility or know every answer, why some crazy idiots that I don't know kill others? Why make ME, who has grown up in Germany, going trough the German school, who was even born here, feel like I had to appologize OR get in a political discussion at every corner, just because the mongrel infront of me saw BBC last night where they have shown for the thousand and one time how a Serbian militia shoots someone.

Some of you guys think that you're well informed I suppose, that you know everything about Islam and Muslims and how dangerous they are. Well.
Next to a lot of Germans, some Muslims have been my best friends in my youth, people from Turkey, Morocco, Tunisia and I worked with countless of other people from central Africa, Afghanistan, Albania, Iran and Iraq. Some fleed wars, some wanted to improve their life, some have been students, and some immigrants. Some took their religioun serious, others didn't care. I have meet Germans with Russian herritage and lots of east Europeans, of which most have been from Poland, and my current work mates are a German who was born in South Africa and a female co-worker from the Czech Republic. With some people, I engaged in philosphical, political and religous debates, or sometimes we celebrated and drunk together, or we just joked and had fun. And everyone has their own ideas and experience.
But you know what I don't do? I never judge people what ever if they eat or don't eat pork. And I learned a long time ago, not to believe every shit people say about a religion or certain group and to get in some kind of unreasonable anxiety.
Because 15 years ago, I was the evil guy for everyone, for the simple reason because Serbia had to be full of war criminals invading the Kosovo. How else could you convince people that bombing the shit out of Serbia, was justified?
 
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