War imminent with Russia

Dr Fallout said:
My point is that Putin isn't the worst option, and he did improve some things.
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Okay, that's one thing we both agree on actually - the oppression under Yeltsin was much worse than under Putin. My point still stands though, even under Putin - the wizard apprentice of his great master Yeltsin - people are not free to talk their opinions openly. Especially if they disagree with the official Putin's policy. That's why I don't care how "happy" the polls subscribers on Crimea are, because I'm highly positive their "happiness" is more politically correct than genuine. (Sure, there's a lot of happy Russians on Crimea right now. Who would not be happy when these pesky Tatars have left the administrative posts, willingly or not, leaving well paid and lucrative jobs for their Russian successors send from Moscow?)
 
Putin is cool with the UK anyway, he reckons we have balls for leaving the EU.
 
In a case of Western/Russian war, the eastern Europe as a buffer zone would be 100% Fallout - nothing but wasteland grounded by the heaviest battles. Central Europe and western countries wouldn't be left intact though, since there's the most advanced industry here. Plus NATO bases everywhere, including these in Germany with nuclear arsenal, hot target for some heavy strike.
 
I think if the US and Russia teamed up they could essentially overwhelm the rest of the world. I think we should do that. Simply because both countries have a reasonable amount of room to relocate citizens as well the ability to mobilize industry.

The reason I say that is because the other nations with nukes would be aiming at population centers, where they believe would have the most impact. However the problem with that is room. Citizens can easily relocate or survive and relocate. (Granted surviving a nuclear blast and fallout is rather rare.)

The trick to a nuclear war is mobility, not about strong points. Everyone (for some reason unknown to me) believes that fortification like we experienced in WWII is still the way to go. But in reality its about concealment and mobility. Sure build a couple of bunkers and make them targets, someone is dumb enough to try nuking it. But what you need is what seems to be disorganized group that can become cohesive at any time.

The farther you can spread out your population the greater chance you have at surviving the initial waves of destruction. Or even better hide your forces in another country that is outside of the cross hairs.

Don't fear the reaper, we all die someday.
 
If US and Russia wanted to fight each other, which they so obviously don't, they could do it so it would involve very little of the rest of the world. They could fight in the far east, in Alaska, Kamtshatka, norther Pacific, etc. Not a lot of folks there. They could fight in age old Battle of Waterloo - type squares with dudes equipped with swords and pikes and shields. etc. Schiltron formation for the win.

However, they won't do that. Why? Because both of those countries would rather continue to be dicks to nations smaller then they themselves are. They have and always have had common interests. That's what the whole Cold War was about. And no, I don't think it has much to do with M.A.D. and nuke deterrent.
 
We need me, because I'm crazy enough to take down the Government... any Government for that matter.

I've played Fallout 2, I know how it goes...
 
Human extinction by 2100 is supposedly 20%
The all-encompassing "singularity" approaches with an exponential rate of likelyhood

Why bother with wars, y'all? We're doomed to go extinct a few days after tomorrow =(

(Personally I suspect humanity won't singularity shit, and instead persist in this dull-ass predictable state for several million years. Yes, millions, several millions, tens of millions. 50 million years from now: TV and stupid shampoo ads + 3069th war with Russia being imminent, 355th nuclear war at that. We have only begun our boring journey into a neverending future)
 
Izak said:
They did hold a referendum over the issue back when they were annexed, likely a manipulated referendum but a referendum regardless.
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Don't you understand? Only the ones we manipulate hold any merrit. We could finally have world peace if the Russians understood this simple fact!

Doomsdayprepper said:
So do you think Europe would be a battleground? I think it would be in Eastern Europe where most of the fighting happens.
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That's what Hitler and Napoleon thought as well ...

I guess it DOES make sense, to go against Russia. There are some people out there that really yearn for WW3 after all. As crazy as that might seem. But who ever said, that all decisions have to be based on rationality. The last time Germans crossed the border to Ukraine, it didn't really end well. And I have no doubt, that if any west European troops would go against Russia, the result would be the same. World War. A war with Russia, will end up in the heart of Europe. There can be no doubt about it.

I mean we can say about Russia what ever we want. We can like or hate their leaders, their politics, and I will be one of the first to criticise Russia. But we can not say that they are overly agressive as far as the last world wars goes or the recent conflicts where people got killed in the 100 000 since 2001. It's not Russia with military bases all over the world, sending air craft carriers to all diferent corners, if someone is just sneezing in their general direction, not Russia has a defence budged 10 times the size of the US, and it sure wasn't Russias FSB who got caught spying on everyone and everything. And yet, when there is a relatively unimportant coup in Crimea ... the world is calling Putin Hitler. Eh? Bizarro world!
 
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Crni Vuk said:
The last time Germans crossed the border to Ukraine, it didn't really end well.
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That was Germans against the rest of the world though, with their forces splitted all across the globe. And look at the result - Stalingrad surviving by miracle with poor inhabitants eating each other, plus the last desperate reserves of red army being send to the frontline including women and children! This time it would be Russia against the rest of the world, mind you.
 
valcik said:
This time it would be Russia against the rest of the world, mind you.
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No it wouldn't because Russia isn't Nazi Germany. And no matter how often some (I am not talking about you here) try to paint this picture of Putin as the next Hitler, it still doesn't make it true. Like I said, look at it historically, and how often Russia was the AGRESSOR to the west. Like Germany, France, Britain. How many wars have they really started in the last 100 years? How much Colonialism and Imperialism was really coming from Russia? Mind you, I am not saying that Russia hasn't occupied large teritories or that it wasn't the source of some serious atrocities, but you can not really paint Russia as an agressor in our time and age. Most of the shit they did, happend during or after WW2 and you could argue that it was under Soviet rule. WW2 was at least not started by the Soviets. And certainly not by the Russian citizens.

If the west would decide to move against Russia with their military, pretty much anyone who might have a beef with the US and western Europe, wouldn't have a much of a problem to support Russia. Do we expect China and other to sit tight? Particularly when they feel like they could be the next target?

All I am saying is, Russia isn't a push over, and if you're aiming for a world war, then sure go and attack Russia. I mean it has been beaten and occupied so many times history right ...
 
Crni Vuk said:
No it wouldn't because Russia isn't Nazi Germany. And no matter how often some (I am not talking about you here) try to paint this picture of Putin as the next Hitler, it still doesn't make it true. Like I said, look at it historically, and how often Russia was the AGRESSOR to the west. Like Germany, France, Britain. How many wars have they really started in the last 100 years? How much Colonialism and Imperialism was really coming from Russia? Mind you, I am not saying that Russia hasn't occupied large teritories and the source of some really serious atrocious crimes, but you can not really paint Russia as an agressor in our time and age.

If the west would decide to move against Russia with their military, pretty much anyone who might have a beef with the US and western Europe, wouldn't have a much of a problem to support Russia. Do we expect China and other to sit tight? Particularly when they feel like they could be the next target?

All I am saying is, Russia isn't a push over, and if you're aiming for a world war, then sure go and attack Russia. I mean it has been beaten and occupied so many times history right ...
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Wat. You just quoted me on something I never posted.
 
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