What genre is Fallout 4?

Barking up the wrong tree doesn't necessarily mean there were hostilities, it just means they failed in the end result.

Ah well, Bethesda just didn't understand what a good RPG is.
 
If the game is any indication, these are NOT good writers or RPG developers. By all indications, this developer has an active disdain for role-playing and coherent writing.

If anyone doubts this, just consider the fact that Bethesda doesn't bother hiring writers. All their writing is done by people whose main job is to do something else. Either they think that their moonlighting writers are as good as or better than any professionals they could hire, or they simply don't value writing enough to want it to be good instead of just barely-functional.
 
Taking the OP's question on seriously, my first guess at an official term would probably be action role-playing first-person shooter, seeing as Destiny and Borderlands both hold that exact term, and those two games are very similar to Fallout 4.

But then, Fallout 4 is in no ways restricted to first-person. Accordingly, its Wikipedia page says it's an action RPG. For those who aren't clear on the term, "action RPG" usually just means an action or an action-adventure game with RPG elements in it, so basically it's as vague a term as "action-adventure" is. Pretty unhelpful, considering more than half of the games in the modern industry are classified as "action-adventure". This is simply just that, but with stats and character progression. I guess an "open-world action role-playing shooter" would suffice as a term.

My honest opinion? I'm assuming this entire thread was founded to joke on about Fallout 4 being bad, as usual. But if this was an actual question, I think it's a pretty pointless one, no offense intended, because modern terminology for game genres are so damn vague nowadays you could practically classify anything with numbers you can add to as an RPG.




tl;dr "Open-world action role-playing shooter". Try not to forget the "action" part when recommending a game to someone, it changes the definition quite a bit.
 
Whoa whoa let's not get crazy now.
Yea I just had to look on steam to double check that and sure enough, Borderlands is "action RPG."

People are getting WAY, WAY too lax in the use of the term "RPG." A lot of people don't seem to understand what RPG even stands for, namely "ROLE PLAYING game" and instead are confusing it with the terrible skills/upgrade systems in these games.

Borderlands and Fallout 4 are RPGs like Pillars of Eternity is a Third Person Shooter just because one of the mages shot fireball at an enemy.
 
Whoa whoa let's not get crazy now.

No, the term is correct. If it's action-adventure but it also has stat-based character progression, it's officially an action role-playing game.

People are getting WAY, WAY too lax in the use of the term "RPG." A lot of people don't seem to understand what RPG even stands for, namely "ROLE PLAYING game" and instead are confusing it with the terrible skills/upgrade systems in these games.

Well, if by "people", you mean the entire industry, the majority of gamers, and several developers who make the games themselves. Remember, the Witcher and Dark Souls series are supposed to be complex and in-depth RPGs according to nearly everyone nowadays.

Terms are defined by the majority of a society and in this case, this is what RPG means to the majority, so this current definition is the official definition, and there's absolutely nothing you can do about it. You can try and push the proper term into arguments outside this forum but that only confuses people and ends up invalidating your argument, whatever it was about.

Personally, even knowing that this forum sticks by its own definitions and rules, if OP wanted a direct answer, then by modern definition "open world action role-playing shooter" is absolutely correct.

Also, why do we keep forgetting the "action" part? I mentioned this! An "open world role-playing shooter" and an "open world action role-playing shooter" are VASTLY different. If someone put skill trees and dialogue choices in Uncharted (ironically, the fourth one will have dialogue choices) then that would make the game an action-RPG right off the bat. Hell, the newest Tomb Raider game ("Rise of the") has side quests you can accept or decline, and equipment upgrades with multiple skill trees, and so does Far Cry games, making them already very close to being RPGs by industry standard.

Fallout 4, by this forum's definition, doesn't even scratch the surface of being an RPG. Fallout 4, by the general definition, is a poorly made RPG and disappointing in comparison to predecessors. Fallout 4, by industry definitions, is a fairly complex RPG.
 
Even some reviews said as much as that. That Fallout 4 is barely a Fallout and Role Playing Game at this point. I mean look at Totall Biscuit. So yeah, I think it is fair to say that Fallout 4 is really 99% shooter and maybe 1% RPG, so if we are more serious, the correct label for F4 is first person/third person shooter. I mean you're not selling a bottle of water as beer either, just because it contains 1% beer. If that 1% RPG is enough to throw that label on it? Even if it is as meaningless as today? I guess everyone has to decide that for himself. Just as how you can say the Sky is green. Even if the majority said it. Doesn't have any value. By the way, why should we give anything about the opinions of people that most likely think games like Wasteland 2 or UnderRail are outdated and a Torment Game contains to much to read. People which don't even like RPGs now define what RPGs are ... For me, Fallout 4 is definetly NOT an RPG. I mean for fucks sake, Fallout 3 was barely going trough as RPG. And many of us made the joke, that more simplification would make the game a shooter. And now, we are finally there. Everything from the game mechanics, to the story and quest design is so simplified. At which point would you stop calling something an RPG? For me the line has been drawn by Bethesda right now.
Though we should not get in another religious debate about what true RPGs are now or not. But I think we can ALL here at least agree, that Fallout 4 is a great example of how to NOT make a Fallout RPG at least.
 
No, the term is correct. If it's action-adventure but it also has stat-based character progression, it's officially an action role-playing game.
No it's not, the stats hardly mean a damn thing in the game, like intelligence for example: does it show how smart your character is, allows them to pass intelligence checks, and intelligence related things? Nope you're as smart as someone with 10 intelligence even when you only have 1 intelligence. It's a perk gate, all of these so called "stats" are perk gates and nothing more.

What about perception? Percentage increases, lock picking related stuff, energy resistance, and some other shit.
Does it help with range? Absolutely not, why worry about range when you can run and gun and even snipe people with pistols?

Yeah if we say this is a Roleplaying game then so is Borderlands because it has a skill tree of sorts too. I would even hesitate to say it features RPG elements.
 
I don't care what the industry says

Well, fine by you. Unfortunately, I speak by the terms that the companies and the majority hand out, no matter how much you don't like it.

it's like using the figurative definition of literally, it's an insult to the english language!

People use that. People used that, people will continue to use that. I use it too.

Yeah if we say this is a Roleplaying game then so is Borderlands

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Yes, it is. Borderlands is an RPG. It's not very hard to comprehend. I answered OP's question based on the modern industry standards, I couldn't care less what the definitions here are because switching context for discussions in different places confuses both me and other people. As far as I'm concerned, it could be a completely inaccurate term coined by some suit at Activision Blizzard, but if the term is commonly used and counted as official, I'm using it. All your technical complaints about Borderlands being an RPG is all correct, but that doesn't change the official genre it is set in.

You can call it "loot 'n' shoot junk sandbox walking simulator" all you want. I believe the official term would be "open-world action role-playing shooter". If you don't like that term, take it out on the people who came up with them and made them the norm, not me. Don't give me the "regurgitating corporate bullshit" thing either, correct as it may be.

If the industry decided one day to call Call of Duty an RPG because you're "roleplaying" as a soldier and the majority of gamers continue to use that, fuck what they did, but I'm still going by those terms because I'm not about to misinform simply because I don't like how something has been termed in this day and age. The "give-no-care-about-what-outsiders-think" attitude is something I'm never going to adopt. I keep the whole world in mind.

You can call me out on this again the day games are actually defined correctly once more, but not today.
 
Okay who said it was an official RPG or labeled as such? Maybe random people and critics, I could care less about what they think it is especially if they think this game is better than Fallout 1, 2, and New Vegas which is batshit crazy.
Like Crni Vuk said, that 1% RPG shouldn't brand it one. An RPG has more to it than stat increases or perks, seriously I don't know how Borderlands is an RPG. It's a popamole loot simulator with vulgar humor with 2 doing much of the same now featuring some SJW garbage.
 
I could care less about what they think

Ignoring the obvious mistake in your statement, sure. You don't have to care, and neither do I. Thing is, when I'm talking or writing, bringing up "popamole loot simulator" will confuse most people. Majority-defined terms won't. Just as you don't have to care about what everyone else calls it, I am writing my opinion piece, not caring about what everyone here calls it. It's not really that hard to understand... I call it by what everyone else calls it, not by what it should be called.

What is it with people here's tendency to jump all over opinions? This is hardly a civil discussion or a fair debate. :???:
 
Borderlands isn't an RPG, the metacritic page lists it's genre as 'action' and the steam page only mentions that is has "RPG elements" and, I would argue that Fallout 4 is only listed as an RPG to appeal to scrutinizing fans.
So anyway, somebody should really make an official definition of RPG; the term was originally made for table-top games so Fallout, Planescape and the like would definitely would fall under any official definition, but Fallout 4 and Borderlands just don't, they're shoot and loots, action adventures, all the other super generalised terms that basically mean 'nothing special'. Don't let RPG become one of those "genres", take a stand, call a spade a spade.
 
I call it by what everyone else calls it, not by what it should be called.
...and that's your mistake, you shouldn't listen to what this so called "majority" call it, base it around what you think even though I understand that a lot of us end up using the same keywords to describe the genre of this game. I'm not sure why you would call it that just because they said it. What I call it is what I think it is based on my experience from playing the game not because what everyone else labels it as such. The majority of people calling it an RPG are probably Bethesda fans that think everything is an RPG.
I'm sorry if I come off as mean and I apologize.
Of course a lot of us that will agree on what it is since it only does so much.
 
I remember some guy once said that Half-Life is a roleplaying game because you assume the role of Gor-don The Free Man. Basically any game where you assume any, 'any' role, is an RPG to this guy. So, yeah. What people consider to be RPG's is way too subjective and broad to the point that the RPG label was ruined like a decade ago. Fallout 4 'is' an RPG I suppose. But what does that even mean anymore when any game can be claimed as an RPG? It's like kids playing soccer all getting participation medals. Meaningless.
 
No it's not, the stats hardly mean a damn thing in the game, like intelligence for example: does it show how smart your character is, allows them to pass intelligence checks, and intelligence related things? Nope you're as smart as someone with 10 intelligence even when you only have 1 intelligence. It's a perk gate, all of these so called "stats" are perk gates and nothing more.

What about perception? Percentage increases, lock picking related stuff, energy resistance, and some other shit.
Does it help with range? Absolutely not, why worry about range when you can run and gun and even snipe people with pistols?

Yeah if we say this is a Roleplaying game then so is Borderlands because it has a skill tree of sorts too. I would even hesitate to say it features RPG elements.
Also, the stats become meaningless when Preston Gravey alone has enough procedurally generated quests to raise all stats very high.

Yeah if we say this is a Roleplaying game then so is Borderlands because it has a skill tree of sorts too. I would even hesitate to say it features RPG elements.
This is what is starting to get out of hand. Pretty soon people will be marketing Call of Duty as an RPG because it has some dumb skill tree or something. These people don't understand what RPG stands for: ROLE PLAYING game. Not "shooter with a boring upgrade system."

And more on point, boring upgrade systems need to go away forever. They are not "RPG elements."
 
Ignoring the obvious mistake in your statement, sure. You don't have to care, and neither do I. Thing is, when I'm talking or writing, bringing up "popamole loot simulator" will confuse most people. Majority-defined terms won't. Just as you don't have to care about what everyone else calls it, I am writing my opinion piece, not caring about what everyone here calls it. It's not really that hard to understand... I call it by what everyone else calls it, not by what it should be called.

What is it with people here's tendency to jump all over opinions? This is hardly a civil discussion or a fair debate. :???:
That's why there is the idea of action games and shooters. Like I said, if the majorty of people says the sky is green ... they can do that. But that doesn't change what it actually is.
And Fallout 4 is not an RPG, it is an simple action game, a third person/first person shooter if that sounds better.

It has become very popular for some reason to sell stuff like F4, Borderlands and a couple of other action/shooter games as RPGs, even though they contain maybe the bare MINIMUM of what RPGs have. They are not even RPG/Shooter hybrids anymore.

Fallout 4 falls in exactly this situation. It shares SOME characteristics that you find in many RPGs. Like the stats, level ups, experience and a couple more. But those are so diluted in their effects, that you could probably remove all of them, and you would not miss any of it.

I know the idea of RPGs has always been very wonky. YOu know, 20 years ago you had games like Diablo as RPGs. And those games didn't contain really any role playing in that sense. Not like Planescape or even Baldurs Gate, to use a more popular example. But that's where you had niches. Dungeon Crawlers, Roque-Like, Open World you name it.
But you can't see everything as RPG, just because it shares some facets. Even if the publishers and some (or most) of the fans see it as RPG.
I wish I could find this article again where someone used Call of Duty or a similar shooter with level ups/progression as example, where he explained why CoD was not an RPG, even though it had a few RPG-features.

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I guess the REAL problem here is, that todays RPG developers, like Bioware and Bethesda actually want their game to appeal to a different audience. The typical shooter crowd. Because this is, today at least, without a question the largest market. You can not sell 30 million games with Planescape or Wasteland. That's not gona happen. Beacuse RPGs have always been a niche. But when you have people working at Bioware intentionally diluting their games, you get simply garbage like Failout 4 or Dragon Turd 2, quote :

With Dragon Age II’s release imminent, senior producer Fernando Melo feels the sequel has far more reach than Origins, even potentially attracting the same kind of crowd that flocks to gaming’s biggest franchise, Call Of Duty.

Speaking to NowGamer Melo said: “We have data that shows there are a lot of people that enjoy playing RPGs although they won’t necessarily call them RPGs. They’ll play Fallout, Assassin’s Creed and even Call Of Duty, which have these progression elements – you’re putting points into things – but they don’t necessarily associate that as an RPG. So we think that if we expand that out we’ll attract a much bigger audience.”

There’s certainly logic in his thinking, and with individuals who failed to be enticed by BioWare’s original epic actually being swayed by the sequel – not to mention the upcoming demo giving gamers a chance to sample its goods first – there’s every change Dragon Age II may succeed in this goal.
A sad new age of RPG development.
 
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That's why there is the idea of action games and shooters. Like I said, if the majorty of people says the sky is green ... they can do that. But that doesn't change what it actually is.
And Fallout 4 is not an RPG, it is an simple action game, a third person/first person shooter if that sounds better.

It has become very popular for some reason to sell stuff like F4, Borderlands and a couple of other action/shooter games as RPGs, even though they contain maybe the bare MINIMUM of what RPGs have. They are not even RPG/Shooter hybrids anymore.

Fallout 4 falls in exactly this situation. It shares SOME characteristics that you find in many RPGs. Like the stats, level ups, experience and a couple more. But those are so diluted in their effects, that you could probably remove all of them, and you would not miss any of it.

I know the idea of RPGs has always been very wonky. YOu know, 20 years ago you had games like Diablo as RPGs. And those games didn't contain really any role playing in that sense. Not like Planescape or even Baldurs Gate, to use a more popular example. But that's where you had niches. Dungeon Crawlers, Roque-Like, Open World you name it.
But you can't see everything as RPG, just because it shares some facets. Even if the publishers and some (or most) of the fans see it as RPG.
I wish I could find this article again where someone used Call of Duty or a similar shooter with level ups/progression as example, where he explained why CoD was not an RPG, even though it had a few RPG-features.

If most of the people I discuss the game with (obviously not NMA, you're all too :monocle:cultured:monocle: for my tastes) refer to it as a Term Y game, then I'm going to call it a Term Y game. I've not really got the point of why everyone is getting upset about this. No, Fallout 4 is not an RPG. Yes, it's classified as one. Incorrect as it is, I will refer to it as an action RPG because that's the majority-defined term. No, RPGs shouldn't be used to refer to games like this. Yes, it's being used to refer to games like this.

Sure, here, in normal conversation, I wouldn't refer to it as an RPG, but I took OP's question at its most basic form. So yes, if a Call of Duty fan came up and asked me what kind of game Fallout 4 was, "open-world action role-playing shooter" would be my answer. It wouldn't be technically accurate, but it would be hell of a lot less confusing than actually trying to describe what kind of jumbled mess it is.

Not referring strictly to @Crni Vuk but just generally, stop trying to convince me Fallout 4 is not an RPG because I already know it isn't one. I will still continue to describe stat-based progression action games as "action-RPG" outside this forum. If you're not trying to convince anyone of anything, then why are we still on the subject of my post?
 
Because we like bashing people? :P

*Edit, I am curious about this. If a CoD freak really asked me what F4 is, I would tell him, Open world shooter. Plain and simple. No clue what's so confusing about that. If he knows nothing about RPGs, it won't matter anyway, as the game is 90% shooter gameplay.

If most of the people I discuss the game with (obviously not NMA, you're all too :monocle:cultured:monocle: for my tastes) refer to it as a Term Y game, then I'm going to call it a Term Y game. I've not really got the point of why everyone is getting upset about this.
But I am not really discussing games with people outside of NMA anyway, exactly for this reason. It might seem smug, but sorry, I have grown up with RPGs. The term has still SOME meaning for me. And I realized, that I just make people angry at me, when we get in to the discussion of why I don't see games like Fallout 4 or Borderlands as RPGs.
 
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