What will be the canon ending of New Vegas?

[Oppen]

House is more like a benevolent dictator. And the "benevolent" is just about not killing just because they think different.

Nah, he just kills because they're in the way.

It's for the greater good in the end.

Which greater good? Having a bunch of casinos up and running? Or does he actually restarts industrial progress?

 

[Faceless Stranger]

He says himself that he would restart the technology development sector, have people in orbit and have ships searching to colonize other planets with 200 years

 

[CthuluIsSpy]

Yeah, I can actually sympathize with House. He is trying to restore the country back to its former glory. Sure, he's heavy handed, but in a place overrun with freaky ass mutants, genocidal fascists and psychotic raiders, you'll have to be.

 

[Nalano]

He says himself that he would restart the technology development sector, have people in orbit and have ships searching to colonize other planets with 200 years

What he says and what he does are two entirely separate things.

He's running three criminal organizations that everybody agrees are nothing more than gangs in suits. His populace would be starving were it not for the diligent efforts of the Followers and the Kings and the food imports and farms run by the NCR. His populace would be dead were it not for the constant and ongoing defense by the NCR military. He says he wants industry but the NCR already has industry. His economy is a joke, considering that casinos don't generate wealth but merely redistribute it, meaning that he'll always need a larger economy to leech off of, and he expresses no desire to extend his holdings beyond the New Vegas area.

He's a polyp on the face of the Mojave. He's exactly the sort of Old World mogul that's responsible for how the world got the way it was in the first place.

 

[Oppen]

He says himself that he would restart the technology development sector, have people in orbit and have ships searching to colonize other planets with 200 years

I don't remember he said that, I only saw it in his obituary. I believe the courier MUST KNOW ABOUT IT to agree with it. If the only way to know is after killing him, it's pointless.

 

[Walpknut]

He says it to you himself.....

 

[Oppen]

He says it to you himself.....

That's why I said "I don't remember" first, I was not sure myself.
Well, if you told me yesterday, I would not kill him again :p

 

[Ben]

I think we should make this into a poll.

NCR is my vote

 

[The Suave Gambler]

I'd say Mr House would be the canon ending, because it would cause the least of an impact on the rest of the wastes.

 

[Oppen]

I'd say Mr House would be the canon ending, because it would cause the least of an impact on the rest of the wastes.

If his objective is actually to bring back the old world glory and industry, I can't see how it would cause the least impact. The minimal impact would be anarchist New Vegas. In fact, it would be like a step back in the storyline to something like the Den (IIRC, thugs become the usual thing to see in New Vegas in that ending). Seconded by NCR ending (because that's mostly the status quo at the begining).
Then, it comes House, then, Legion. But considering the discussion above, I think it is a likely ending. Also, many people think a new big faction is needed, and an industrial New Vegas could bring some.

 

[Independent George]

I can see it being House, but with something unexpected happening to him (like life support failure, or some sort of degenerative dementia as a side-effect of his continued activity) resulting in a dramatically different Vegas.

 

[TorontoReign]

The House ending was best in my opinion. He was too cold and calculating in his methods though. He could have done a lot of good, but he was still only human, and driven by schemes of grandness.

 

[Moe Canibo]

I'd say Mr House would be the canon ending, because it would cause the least of an impact on the rest of the wastes.

If his objective is actually to bring back the old world glory and industry, I can't see how it would cause the least impact. The minimal impact would be anarchist New Vegas. In fact, it would be like a step back in the storyline to something like the Den (IIRC, thugs become the usual thing to see in New Vegas in that ending). Seconded by NCR ending (because that's mostly the status quo at the begining).
Then, it comes House, then, Legion. But considering the discussion above, I think it is a likely ending. Also, many people think a new big faction is needed, and an industrial New Vegas could bring some.

In fact, that would be the most impactful ending, with Vegas becoming what pre-war factions couldn't/didn't want to. Complete with the state of the art army that doesn't have politicaly ambitious leaders with selfish, convulted motives and is more then able to defend the classles-leaderlesss society.

 

[Oppen]

I'd say Mr House would be the canon ending, because it would cause the least of an impact on the rest of the wastes.

If his objective is actually to bring back the old world glory and industry, I can't see how it would cause the least impact. The minimal impact would be anarchist New Vegas. In fact, it would be like a step back in the storyline to something like the Den (IIRC, thugs become the usual thing to see in New Vegas in that ending). Seconded by NCR ending (because that's mostly the status quo at the begining).
Then, it comes House, then, Legion. But considering the discussion above, I think it is a likely ending. Also, many people think a new big faction is needed, and an industrial New Vegas could bring some.

In fact, that would be the most impactful ending, with Vegas becoming what pre-war factions couldn't/didn't want to. Complete with the state of the art army that doesn't have politicaly ambitious leaders with selfish, convulted motives and is more then able to defend the classles-leaderlesss society.

I must admit I didn't take into consideration the fact they still have the upgraded securitrons, I don't know why I only associate it with House's ending. Anyway, I still think House's ending will have a greater impact in the outter Vegas wasteland, but considering what you said, anarchist Vegas is the second one IMO. That leaves NCR, the status quo option, as the least impacting ending.

 

[Millim]

I personally think that the NCR will be a canon ending, with all their flaws, they still seem to be worthy enough of handeling Vegas. But I would be surprised and shocked to see Ceasers Legion being canon. But I reckon that Beth will leave it up to us. In a way, I hope that Vegas is only touched upon in latter games, I like the idea of you choosing your own ending. At the same time, I don'y exactly want to go back to DC as it hust seems to be dead.

 

[ramessesjones]

NCR seems by far the worst choice for the future of the series. The level of civilization in the game world is already significantly more advanced and restored by most post-apocalyptic standards, an NCR victory would only push it farther from it roots. Some of level of chaos, destruction and conflict would be healthier for the series, although a mostly status quo ending (something like House keeping control but keeping Vegas isolated) would be better than NCR winning as well.

The most interesting ending for me would be a significant Legion victory, with them even going into California, followed by the death Caesar and the his successor unable to keep control and everything just falling apart. Another option is variations of the Lonesome Road scenarios; Ulysses nukes NCR, the Legion wins then collapses or both NCR and the Legion are nuked and both struggle to survive.

A nice clean happy ending is the last thing the series needs at this point.

 

[The Dutch Ghost]

Personally I find NCR a more realistic ending than House or the Legion's victory.
House pursues larger than life goals that are most likely very unrealistic where as the Legion is driven by perpetual conquest and slavery in order to give its people a goal, the moment their expansion comes to a stand still the risks exists that they will turn on themselves.

Also reseting the setting by destroying all big organized government like organizations feels like a big cop out to me, there is going to be progress as settlements get together and form trade relations and treaties.
Unmaking these seems to give the indication that Fallout should be a grim dark setting "In the future there is only anarchy and war'.

If a future game should move away from the NCR I suggest that they do so by placing the game in a different part of the US rather than trying to reset the clock.

 

[aboniks]

Does there need to be a single canon ending?

I'd like to see FO4 start out the character creation screen with a request to load an end-game save from FO3 and NV, and then base the factions and main quest line of the new game on what you did in the previous games.

If it was in the games, it's canon. Why not extrapolate that idea as far as possible.

Okay, obviously the answer to my question is that it would be a hideously complex task to build FO4 in such a way that it would provide meaningfully different game play based based on your previous choices...but it would be sweet.

I know bioware did this to some degree in mass effect, but doing it right in fallout might be asking too much.

Meh. I can dream.

 

[Sub-Human]

It's certainly be possible in the future. If we ever get those fancy virtual reality machines for gaming, the industry is almost certainly going to change its focus.

So just you wait, pals.

 

[brandonhart61]

I just hope that the NCR ending isn't canon.

I'm almost sure it will be either NCR or independent.
Why? Because always the protagonist tend to be good intentioned in canon storyline, and House and Caesar seems to be pretty much selfish, and probably the courier is able to notice about this, not so much with NCR (the courier had no much relationship with the big corporate people, aside from Gunderson, the Crimson Caravan's manager and the Van Graffs), so he probably will see as the "good" people the one from NCR or the natives from New Vegas.

Independent or House in my opinion, I can't really make a decision between the two since they're theoretically the same.

I don't think they're near the same, House is more like a benevolent dictator. And the "benevolent" is just about not killing just because they think different.

It's strongly suggested in the Independent ending that House's 'code snippet's are a fail safe in case House died (so Yes Man becomes more assertive and essentially fills his role). Of course, how Yes Man runs things is a complete mystery to everybody. Will he turn into Skynet? Or will a machine be best for everyone?

Sorry, I'm not sure what you mean with "code snippets", I'm not a native english speaker and I'm frankly pretty bad at it.
I didn't play that ending, may be because of that why I don't understand.
Anyway, what I mean is about the intentions of the courier.
In most canon endings, the main character had mostly altruist intentions, so I think it will probably be the same way for New Vegas. In that case, only if they assume a dumb character (or an enlightened one who see more than how New Vegas is ran) House or the Legion can rule New Vegas, because they're the factions most noticeable selfish.
I think the main problem with Yes Man is that IIRC he is programmed to obey anyone, so anyone who can guard him from other people could become the new dictator of New Vegas, with all the securitrons at his/her service.

I don't. Not to mention the Courier him/herself could be anything from an enlightened genius to an utter psychopath. There's too much ways for the Yes Man ending to fail for me to consider it the best. It's possible that this will make it canon, however, as the devs will have the most leeway to determine how New Vegas does afterwards.

It is obviously possible, but canon endings chose mostly an altruist main character. It could change, however, and might be a funny twist.

The code snippets are the data on Mr House's network that he put on there that change Yes Man from a sycophant to an assertive individual, which can be seen as Yes Man filling Mr Houses role in case Mr House dies.