What's next in US foreign policy?

It's been less than 2 days since his re-election and Georgie-boy already pulls quite a stunt by recognising the name "Macedonia" for the FYROM. God dammit. What a great start.

I'm too pissed off to add more words to the post atm.

(This doesn't quite tie up with Iran/Iraq etc, but it is foreign policy...)
 
So, I see what kinds of people some of you are. Kicking us when we're down, hmph.

Heh heh.

I honestly believe people will get over this, we're not going to crumble. We may lose our glorious position as world's only, or just world's, superpower, but we can regain that ground through other methods. We may fight another/few losing wars, we may have big reforms to be made, but I believe our nation will stand strong for some time to come. I don't think that one moment many would so love to see will happen any time soon (collapse of the USA). We're just recovering after a tough blow dealt to us. And many seem to still forget about our nuclear arsenal, we're not going to go down without a fight if there is to be one.

The US needs to make many changes, but unfortunately, things can't fucking happen at the snap of a finger.

As for the election. I think Kerry would fucked us over even more. He seemed assured that his way was the only way, as was Bush, but Bush is predictable, Kerry isn't. I am hoping the next four years run as smoothly and quickly as possible so we can get a democrat to take a whack at it, and I pray he/she will be a damn good one. Being a republican, I almost am ashamed of myself for saying such, but I have to admit I don't appreciate the amount of shit our Country is in right now. But it's not the end of the world for Pete's sake, so stop dreaming of armaggedon and the horns to call out hell's spawns, we'll get through this and come out even stronger and richer than before at the other end, hopefully wiser too. If not, we can always move to Canada.

As to the question of who'll pick up after we're gone...either the Chinese or the Gloops of Dabanaga.
 
Paladin Solo said:
And many seem to still forget about our nuclear arsenal, we're not going to go down without a fight if there is to be one.
That's so reassuring ...

As for who is the next superpower, I don't think it's going to be China. They may have the largest army in the world (and obviously the largest population) but it's a shambles. Many of the troops are not being paid enough to feed themselves and consequently are running businesses (often farms) out of their barracks. They may have the biggest number of men signed on, but it's barely even an army.

At any rate, I severely doubt the US is going to "crumble", even under the worst leadership that would be quite difficult to acheive in just another four years.

Oh, and welcome back PS.
 
((it's good to be back, although I'm in a crisis))

China is economically and technologically growing, so I can imagine a time when they hold some power. But contrary to what I used to believe, I think they're setting themselves up for collapse. They're depending far too much on foreign investors to live over a period of time.

There's so many problems I have to deal with now, I'm surprised I was able to try and type out a logical post.
 
Big_T_UK said:
As for who is the next superpower, I don't think it's going to be China.

If they ever let capitalism loose there, they'll boom economically.

I think India's a lot more likely.
 
Thanks to the EU europe's economies are so intertwined that I don't really see any one country in there rise to the status of superpower and not take the rest of the EU with it.
 
Do current political climes even leave room for a Super Power? No "enlightened" nation other than the United States is keen on the idea of building and maintaining a capable naval force.

China might be an exception, but historically China's interest only lie in its surrounding areas. The idea of invading a foreign nation other than Taiwan, Korea, or perhaps even the Indonesians (vital trade and all that) is out of the question. Because of this the Chinese navy is designed purely for coastal defense, and they have no intention to expand it.

Unless Russia does a magical 180, I agree with Calculon that India is the most likely to become the next Super Power. Though, this is again largely dependant on whether or not they intend to expand their military, and build a capable naval force.

Increasing the literacy rate is also key to ensuring India's place on the global stage in the future. Last I heard, its 50%, but that's a good 500 million people anyways, so its still pretty good.
 
India still has too many problems and issues, not just issues of poverty, but the many divisions within that society- religious, ethnic, etc. will keep the country troubled. Besides, it's main rival is Pakistan at the moment.

China, I tend to agree that China will probably have its own share of problems. But they have been exploring a blue water navy- ballistic missile submarines and even an aircraft carrier.

I give it to the Europeans. Four more years of Bush would be ideal for the French and Germans working closer together as a way to balance against US dominance. The last four years helped push the EU together, I think we can expect more for the next four.
 
Ive been thinking the same thing Welsh. Combined the European nation's are the equivalent or more than the United States however they are fractured politically, culturally, etc. Although I definitely see them becoming closer for economic and maybe military purposes I doubt they could become a "United States of Europe" no offense to them. I mean I hear the people kick and scream if there's even a hint of cultural repression...I admire that though.

Sincerely,
The Vault Dweller
 
I'm not saying that the Europe couldn't be the next superpower, but I think that if it will be Europe, It'll be the whole EU and not just one or two countries.
 
Which is unlikely.

You can't get Europeans to agree with ANYTHING politically. Its hard enough as it is for the French and Germans to work together. The French and Germans HATE each other.
 
Its hard enough as it is for the French and Germans to work together. The French and Germans HATE each other.

Really? hmm... can't remember ever hated a french :roll:
(i hate this language cause i was tortured with it at school)

There was a lot of hate in the years after the war... but now we're the best patners in Europe...
 
i'd have to agree...

they might tell massive amounts of spiteful jokes about eachother, but for more then 25 years they've been good partners... (i wouldnt say the best in europe though ;) )
 
calculon00 said:
People have the right to not vote as well, that's what makes it a free country. Not like that facist police state Australia, where they fine you $50 for not voting! :lol:

We are much more democratic than most countries and you don't have to vote, just go to the polling booth. I think that everyone should vote as it gives you real power, however small, to influence the running of your country. However, the 'donkey' vote is a great Australian tradition. People just scribble all over the ballot paper and drop it in. Australians are also more fit than Americans. At least you have to get some exercise walking to the polling station.

Bush can't conscript people, as it would be political suicide. I just hope that Bush doesn't manage to convince people that the next war will only take a day or two and be no problem. I think it is more likely that people are trying to convince him of things rather than the other way round.

I don't believe there will only be only one superpower, but multipolarity. Here are my predictions, although there is no time frame.

The EU will be the first major competitor with the US for economic and military power. They are well organised and well educated, but will be hindered initially by the poorer Eastern European members. But, they do provide cheap labour, and if Turkey gets in, man power for the military. I think that all the Franco-German hatred is wishful thinking on America's part.

India will emerge next, as they have a large and well educated elite which works for peanuts. Vitally, they speak English and have elements of British institutions and democracy which gives them a huge advantage in business. They are already taking over the electronics industry. I find it scary that specialists with the equivalent of a PHD work on a janitor's salary. How do you compete with that? They will still have their problems with ethnic tensions, but money will become more important. Cricket reminds everyone that they are all people.

China will slowly and steadily become a more efficient system and become an economic superpower similar to India, but with the advantage of more government control. Democracy will develop to a small extent until they realise that government control is not an advantage, and communism will quietly and gradually die.

To try to keep up with the others, American will try to form even closer economic ties with the other nations in latin America, with some success. They will not lose their monopoly on power and undergo an economic recession which forces them to be a bit less wasteful, but by conning South America, they manage to stay in the game.

Russia will be too late, as America will sabotage anything which might let it gain power. It will be preoccupied with dealing with its own internal problems.

Tensions over some problem, be it Taiwan, Pakistan or plain old imperialism will set the stage for World War III, involving most everyone. Then the multinational companies will intervene and stop it. The growing level of globalisation, economically and with information transfer really has made the world closer at this point, and it is too expensive and damaging to everyone's economy to have a war with the possibility of a nuclear exchange. Everyone is interrelated and nationalism loses its relative importance.

But that is my optimistic theory.
 
quietfanatic said:
The EU will be the first major competitor with the US for economic and military power. They are well organised and well educated, but will be hindered initially by the poorer Eastern European members. But, they do provide cheap labour, and if Turkey gets in, man power for the military. I think that all the Franco-German hatred is wishful thinking on America's part.

Wishful thinking? Odd... I remember something about sending our men across the pond to help stop this twice. Of course, it would be somewhat good (to some people) to have Europe stay politically unstable. I'm not one of those people.


Other than that point, I think that most of what you said is valid aside from global corporatoins stopping WWIII. Sounds like Cyberpunk. When it comes down to it, people really don't give a damn and they will go to war. Remember, the first murder was committed because of jealousy and against a brother. Billions could be killed for something so stupid and they're not even related. -Colt
 
Damn QuiteFanatic are you a prophet?!

That listed quite some great facts with theories built soundly.

I doubt India will become a superpower...the state of their environment is ruining the lives of the majority of the population whom is also struggling with ethnic strife that has existed due to the caste system which still exists. (unofficially, but its still there)

I would say China. They are trying to adopt Democracy slowly, but surely and they already have a massive population that is slowly being educated.

That could spark WW3 though. Im sure the Communists will attempt a war just so they can leave putting up a fight and probably try to take Taiwan or perhaps make a deal with North Korea to take South Korea. (the latter is a bit farfetched)

Sincerely,
The Vault Dweller
 
Following on from QuietFanatic's prediction (with minor changes).

America will start mining everything it can get from Antarctica while it's preparing for war, disregarding the way Antarctica is set up, nor the treaty on the resources there (I forget what it's called). America will wade through oil rich countries (Iran is next) as it will need the resources for future wars.

Other countries will soon form a coalition, probably backed by the EU, to block the next move by America while secretly trying to get themselves installed for the oil in the countries they move to defend.

Australia will try and keep out of the war, but will be drawn in and join America, simply because the 2 governments are on good terms. Many citizens will resent that in Australia (due to being extremely multicultural) which will cause rioting, maybe even a radical change of government.

America WILL crumble, Europe will never be the same. Some parts of Asia will remain untouched, Antarctica will remain more of a desolate place than it is now, Australia will be changed (for better or worse? Don't know) Russia stands a chance of staying out of it, provided they strenghten their borders and oil reserves. Chances are they'll still be fixing their internal problems while the world is tearing itself apart. Southern America will remain changed from all the cheap labour it was producing for the U.S.A's war machine.

Eventually, the world will decline back into the steel age.

This is a neutral predicition.
 
Colt said:
quietfanatic said:
I think that all the Franco-German hatred is wishful thinking on America's part.
Wishful thinking? Odd... I remember something about sending our men across the pond to help stop this twice
A) That was a long time ago. The French sent troops to help you against your enemies the British, do we still hate each other?
B) Stop being smug. The first time was really just flipping a coin as to which side you joined, the second a result of the poor treatment of the losers in the first (admittedly mostly the British/French at fault there).
C) The decision to join the war(s) was partly economic too, you can only go on so long when your major trading partners are at war with each other (even when you're selling weapons to them both).

Specialist said:
Russia stands a chance of staying out of it, provided they strenghten their borders and oil reserves.
I'm not sure about that. Russia needs oil as much as any industrialised country. IIRC, there are some pretty major oil resources in the former Soviet countries to the south of Russia (undersea resources?).
If there are oil wars going on in the middle east (and plundering of oil in Antarctica), then Russia may be more amenable to those within who want those resources.
Chances are they'll still be fixing their internal problems while the world is tearing itself apart.
There's nothing like a good war to fix those pesky internal problems and really bring the country together.

If we're talking about oil politics, Canada would be a target to somebody (almost certainly the US), either forcibly or diplomatically. Mmmm, just think about those lovely tar sands.
 
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