What's Trump up to now?

Discussion in 'General Discussion Forum' started by Mr Fish, Nov 16, 2016.

  1. Ragemage

    Ragemage Wept for Zion

    Feb 20, 2016
    He already is. Day 3 of the Wisconsin recount and Hillary has lost over 18,000 votes. http://alexanderhiggins.com/wisconsin-recount-day-3-hillary-loses/

    True the recount is a waste of time, but Hillary is losing a lot of votes from recounts in states she LOST in (as seen above). Can you imagine if Jill Stein was actually impartial and did a recount in a state like New Hampshire where Trump only lost by 2000 votes? But no, it's only the "red states" that need a recounting because clearly they're wrong, right? Oh wait.

    The fact is there is actual evidence that illegals were allowed to vote in the election, like it or not. It's not "BS". Do you want some proof? Here you go though I doubt you'll look at it.

    http://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/election/article111029767.html

    http://www.westernjournalism.com/fo...l-immigrants-voting-in-presidential-election/

    Oh, let's not forget my favorite bit of evidence, where Obama literally said on live TV that it's okay for illegals to vote:



    I can certainly find more evidence if you want but for right now I think this will suffice. Saying it's completely impossible for there to be any chance illegals didn't vote in the election is just silly. It's a well known fact there's plenty of places you don't need an ID to vote. Hell, in my own county when me and my dad went to vote, he hadn't voted in 30 years and so he wasn't on the sign-up sheet, but all he had to do was go over to a table, fill out a piece of paper basically saying "I'm a US citizen" and badabing badaboom he could cast a paper ballot. And that's in Mississippi of all places and I know damn well it's more lax in places like California.

    Sure but that doesn't really have anything to do with my post. The point is people are bitching at Trump for accepting a congratulatory phone call from Taiwan's new female president while simply ignoring/praising the fact that Obama sells thousands of weapons to Taiwan. It's hypocrisy at its finest. I never said it was a bad thing we were selling weapons to Taiwan. I think we should help them.


    Also, IMPORTANT UPDATE. The Judge presiding over the Michigan recount just gave the go-ahead. So basically, prepare for more recounts, more money being wasted which could have been used to help our fellow countrymen, and hopefully Hillary losing even more votes like she is in Wisconsin rn.

    http://www.freep.com/story/news/pol...nt-decision-jill-stein-donald-trump/94952282/
     
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  2. MercenarySnake

    MercenarySnake Kept you waiting huh?

    Aug 22, 2015
    Wait they could of staged that with a stunt double of Obama or it could of just been fake! /s
     
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  3. IndignantHedgehog

    IndignantHedgehog It Wandered In From the Wastes

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    Jan 7, 2016
    What does that have to do with "millions of illegal votes"?

    And "millions of illegal votes" that is not.

    And when did I say "voter fraud is nonexistent"? Because I'm pretty sure I didn't. There are instances of voter fraud, however it is so hard to pull off successfully, and the punishment is severe enough the the idea of there being millions of illegal votes is beyond ridiculous.

    Also, why wouldn't I look at it? You have seemed to assume a lot about about me here.

    Really, that video? Where he was he was talking about citizens with undocumented families. It's why he says "First of all, when you vote, you are a citizen yourself", because he's talking about her voting (the interviewer is a citizen).



    I'd love some actual evidence of millions of cases of voter fraud.

     
  4. Ilosar

    Ilosar Vault Fossil

    Apr 20, 2010
    Holy hell, a news site with two (2) people being arrested and an article that says ''well, they could have done it'' as well as a video where Obama is misquoted. Peer-reviewed scientific research ain't got nothing on that shit, yo.

    No one said voter fraud is nonexistant, but millions of illegal votes is Russia-tier fraud. You'd need fucking solid proof to convince me, and those definitely aren't. So yes, do show us more evidence.

    Plus, why in the bleeding hell would the Democrats initiate widespread voter fraud in California of all places? It's already theirs by default even without them. Shave off 2 million people there and they still crush the Republicans. The second article outright says that Trump didn't even bother campaigning there seriously (so much for the EC encouraging candidates to care about the whole country, by the by). If they would try that shit, they would try it in battleground states. Not the place where they've already won.
     
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  5. Ragemage

    Ragemage Wept for Zion

    Feb 20, 2016
    I'm not really advocating for MILLIONS of illegal votes here, I'm saying fraud happens, and there's a lot of cover-up involved with it. I think I just misunderstood your wording as scoffing that fraud can't happen and using Trump's hyperbole as an excuse. That was my bad, I should worded myself better. Trump didn't lose the popular vote by that many millions after all, he only lost by 2 million. In Wisconsin Trump is already up 16,000 votes while Hillary is down 18,000 (I assume 2000 went to Johnson or Stein), and that's a shitton of votes. Imagine if we did it again where there have been claims of mass voting fraud? It won't happen though, the Dems are insistent of only doing this in red states. I'd rather they just be done with but we still have Michigan to get through now. It's most likely not = to 2 million votes but 18,000 votes lost from Clinton in friggin Wisconsin where the state population is only 5 million and only 3 million of them voted is nothing to sneeze at. Let's also not forget the fact there's over 11 million illegals here right now. 2 million of that 11 million casting votes this election cycle is unlikely but seeing how the Wisconsin recount is going it's not really something we can just rule out immediately. Trump's numbers are steadily rising as recounts continue.

    Mm nope. The full unedited line is "Many of the millenials, DREAMers, and UNDOCUMENTED CITIZENS -- and I call them citizens because they contribute to this country -- are fearful of voting. So if immigration knows where I live, will they come for my family and deport US?"

    The wording is key here. Doesn't say anything about citizens WITH undocumented families, the line is referring to illegals specifically. What exactly do you think "undocumented citizen" equals? The use of the word us also indicates she's putting forth a hypothetical situation where the person voting AND their family are illegals. If the person were an actual citizen like you're stating the quote says, they wouldn't be deported along with their family because they're already a citizen.

    You can go to 1:25 on this video here for the unedited quote:


    Riiiiiiiiiiight, because selling millions of guns and ammo to a nation we aren't officially supposed to believe even exists is okey-dokey right? China totally wasn't upset about that because technically SELLING WEAPONS TO THEM =/= THEM EXISTING. Oh wait a minute:

    http://www.voanews.com/a/china-issues-angry-protest-over-us-arms-sale-to-taiwan/3106891.html

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/23/w...nger-over-latest-us-arms-sales-to-taiwan.html

    And even then this was still a relevant quote from the NYT:

    “The sale will have a negative impact on Chinese public opinion toward the U.S., but in the end it probably won’t affect the overall bilateral relationship, especially when it comes to trade and business,” said Shi Yinhong, director of the Center for American Studies at Renmin University in Beijing.

    So I highly doubt a phone call is going to make a big difference when giving 5 billion so they can upgrade their military wasn't. Instead of me actually working to give links and sources why don't you show me the same courtesy? Prove to me these "unspoken agreements" you speak of, when it seems like we simply ignored them even when Obama was fully in charge and nothing came out of that. Trying to say a phone call is worse than weapon sales is the truly ludicrous part of what you seem to be saying.
     
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  6. IndignantHedgehog

    IndignantHedgehog It Wandered In From the Wastes

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    Jan 7, 2016
    Removed ballots tend not to be actual voter fraud. Often it's a combination of mis-counts, registration errors, and other issues (plus, comparing incomplete re-counts are not a good idea). You are still alleging mass voter fraud without evidance.

    Out of interest, where are you getting these numbers. Because the article you linked before has them both down.


    And if you actually listen to his response, he specifically says
    "First of all, when you vote, you are a citizen yourself."
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...mented-people-to-vote/?utm_term=.00235f7ba239


    An explanation if you need one.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/03/world/asia/trump-taiwan-and-china-the-controversy-explained.html

    The weapons sales don't change the status quo (just makes is harder for China to forcible join the two, which it doesn't seem interested in doing).

    And you have to remember, this is politics. A simple phone-call can have lasting effects.
     
  7. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    Funny ... Trump is President ... and it's still going on about this fuck shit votes ... isn't it more important what happens now?
     
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  8. MercenarySnake

    MercenarySnake Kept you waiting huh?

    Aug 22, 2015
    Well you have Jill Stein trying to get recounts done so badly, sounds like she cares about the votes the most...or just wanting to making more money from all of this.
     
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  9. Dr Fallout

    Dr Fallout Centurion

    Aug 17, 2015
    5% and the green party gets a whole pile of state cash.
     
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  10. Ragemage

    Ragemage Wept for Zion

    Feb 20, 2016
    I'm just going to leave this here: http://archive.is/67703 A simple phone call can have "lasting effects" but you know what lasts longer? Weapons. After all, North Korea has one of the largest armies in the world and what are they mostly stocking that army with? Soviet-era tanks, missile trucks, and uniforms all gifted from the Soviet Union, which has been bunk the last 30 years, give or take. http://uk.businessinsider.com/milit...re-civilians-who-are-effectively-reservists-1

    "North Korea's ground forces are numerous but equipped mostly with out-of-date Soviet-era small arms, or copies produced by North Korea or China."

    IN OTHER NEWS, Donald Trump just got us even more jobs and money: http://www.kcra.com/article/trump-japanese-company-to-invest-dollar50b-in-us-create-50k-jobs/8471041 50 BILLION dollars and the possibility of 50k new jobs, which would most likely revolve around technology, technological advancement, and cellphone things (since this company owns Sprint, a big phone network in the States) The man isn't even in office yet and he is, once again, doing more for our job market and economy in one month than Obama has in 8 years. And before you throw out unemployment rates and how "unemployment is lower than it's over been, we don't need Trump to save jobs he's wasting money" here you go:

    People who gave up looking for a job after 12 months are NOT factored into the unemployment rating.



    And some more charts: http://www.shadowstats.com/alternate_data/unemployment-charts

    And here's some more about food stamps, which basically require you to be unemployed to acquire: http://www.naturalnews.com/048389_food_stamps_poverty_American_economy.html

    50 million Americans = at least 16% of Americans being unemployed, even if you don't believe the above charts. "5% unemployment" is a bullshit claim.

    OH, and even more news, the Donald just stopped Boeing from making a new Air Force One, saving Americans over 4 billion in expenses, as the plane would have come out of our pocket book:



    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/06/us/politics/trump-air-force-one-boeing.html?_r=1

    http://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/...eing-for-out-control-air-force-one-costs.html
     
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  11. Ilosar

    Ilosar Vault Fossil

    Apr 20, 2010
    I'm sure Trump didn't pull this 4b$ number out of his bum, and I'm sure Boeing's CEO being apprehensive about his rule has nothing to do with breaching a contract on Twitter.

    Besides, as the NYT points out, it's not exactly his call to make anyway. At this point he's clearly fishing for PR.
     
  12. Vergil

    Vergil Banned

    Jul 8, 2014
    Whoa are you trying to say that a big company that is built a massive aircraft manufacturing plant in China (a precondition insisted upon by China for buying Boeing aircraft) aren't big fans of a President who wants to keep manufacturing jobs in the US?
    This is shocking! Definitely no conflict of interest there.
     
  13. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    Indeed, he is.

    The announcement is the latest instance in which Trump appears to be conducting economic policy via ad-hoc deal-making — and sometimes taking credit whether he deserves it or not. Last week, the president-elect spoke at the Carrier furnace plant in Indianapolis after the company announced plans to keep 800 jobs at the plant instead of outsourcing them to Mexico. Trump quickly claimed he had saved those positions, even though the company is still shifting more than 1,000 jobs from that factory and another Indiana plant to Mexico.

    Similarly, the week after the election Trump tweeted that he had dissuaded Ford Motor Co. from moving a Kentucky factory to Mexico. The claim was a stretch; Ford had no plans to move the plant and had already agreed to keep producing one specific model there, although it did back away from a plan to shift production of the Lincoln MKC, a small SUV, from Louisville to Cuautitlan, Mexico.

    Trump quickly took credit for Son's commitment on Tuesday, writing on Twitter: "Masa said he would never do this had we (Trump) not won the election!"

    http://www.kcra.com/article/trump-japanese-company-to-invest-dollar50b-in-us-create-50k-jobs/8471041
     
  14. Vergil

    Vergil Banned

    Jul 8, 2014
    Softbank CEO confirms he would NOT have made the investment if Hillary were President

    "We're going to give Trump a chance!" you say as you belittle every single good thing he does because he hasn't fixed literally all the problems instantly before even becoming president.
    Just admit it, you desperately want Trump to fail.
     
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  15. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    That's all nice and dandy, and I hope that it works out well for the american people. But I am the kind of guy who's simply thinking that you don't count your chickens before they're hatched. And yes, just to make this clear, I would have the same attitude, regardless of who's president and no, I don't think that Obama was a saviour, infact I think Obama did a hell lot of a bad stuff.

    Why would I? Or well to be more accurate, depends on 'what'. Building the wall? Deporting millinos of people? Yeah, I woudn't mind if he 'failed' here. But saving jobs for people? Improving the economy? If he fails here - hard - then it will hit us in europe as well, the US is after all one of the largest economies.

    However that may be, I just think that right now, Realpolitic hasn't fully kicked in yet. Just as some exagerated - yet not unrealistic - example, talking about peace in the middle east is one thing, making it actually happen a whole differnt matter. Sure! Just invest 50 billion dollar in to the US, that will fix everything, like a magic pill. However, the issues we're talking about don't have magic buttons or silver bullets. A lot of people thought like that when Obama wasn't in office, just to end up in a pretty desillusioned spot now, after 8 years of his presidency. The fuck, they gave him a nobel peace prize or some garbage, before he even did anything and he ended up as one of the worst presidents for the middle east, in my opinion. But that's a different story.
     
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  16. IndignantHedgehog

    IndignantHedgehog It Wandered In From the Wastes

    179
    Jan 7, 2016
    Considering he has since back-tracked on it, not it wasn't. He was just ignorant of the implications.


    [QUOTE} A simple phone call can have "lasting effects" but you know what lasts longer? Weapons. After all, North Korea has one of the largest armies in the world and what are they mostly stocking that army with? Soviet-era tanks, missile trucks, and uniforms all gifted from the Soviet Union, which has been bunk the last 30 years, give or take. http://uk.businessinsider.com/milit...re-civilians-who-are-effectively-reservists-1

    "North Korea's ground forces are numerous but equipped mostly with out-of-date Soviet-era small arms, or copies produced by North Korea or China."
    [/QUOTE]
    The fuck does that have to do with anything?



    As of October, 15M new jobs have been created under the Obama admin. And that is with having to get out of the recession in the first place. http://money.cnn.com/2016/10/07/news/economy/obama-15-million-jobs/

    If you are going to go off on Obama hate, at least base it in reality. There are plenty of actual ways to criticize him.

    Now I'll be interested to see the details on the deal, We've had trouble getting the Japanese banks to invest in the US. Japanese businesses love us, but their banks not so much. Hopefully it wasn't as bad as the carrier deal.



    A. Really, shadowstats? They are not a reputable source. Especially considering that they are hiding the data behind a pay-wall so they can't be proven wrong.

    B. Labor participation is a horrible measure. It includes Students, Retirees, and People with money who don't work. And with the baby-boomers retiring, it's had a massive up-shoot.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ines-looking-for-work/?utm_term=.82ccfe073ccd


    Not at all. The majority of people with SNAP benefits are employed. In fact the entire design is to support people who don't make enough money to get quality food. Just because you don't understand something doesn't make is bullshit.

    And his tax and budget plans would add over 10T to the national debt. Somehow I'm not to impressed.
    http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/donald-trump-budget-deficit-225389
     
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  17. Ragemage

    Ragemage Wept for Zion

    Feb 20, 2016

    That was referring to your previous post involving why we should be in a tizzy about Trump making a phonecall to Taiwan but NOT being upset that Obama sold billions of dollars in weaponry to Taiwan.




    Right, and do you realize how most of those jobs were created? They were created by people switching from part-time jobs to full-time jobs to help stay afloat in this shitty recession. That or it was people taking a 2nd job. That's also not going over how Obama has added 517,000 waiters and bartenders to the work world while losing 34,000 manufacturers. We could also talk about how the job participation rate is down by 30%, one of the lowest percents it's ever been at, so of course it looks like we're getting out of a slump when we aren't.








    I like how people still think the Carrier deal was a bad thing. Let me sum this up with a quote:

    "The deal announced today states that Carrier will keep 1,069 jobs in the US in exchange for $7 million , over 10 years, in tax breaks from Indiana. These jobs on average make about $30 an hour. Full time workers on average work 2,087 hours a year so that means 1,069 (2087)($30) gives you approximately $67 million dollars in income a year. The state tax rate in Indiana is 3.3% so $67 million (0.033) gives you about $2.2 million dollars in state income a year while the state is only giving Carrier a $700,000 tax break a year. Indiana is getting a 300% return, per year, on their investment. This doesn't take into account the extra flow of money into the economy and Carrier's plan to invest $16 million into the plant itself. Liberals who are complaining about this deal need to learn basic math."

    Sources: http://www.bankrate.com/finance/taxes/state-taxes-indiana.aspx , http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ir-debate-over-rewarding-offshoring/94781008/


    Neither are the New York Times or Washington Post given their big liberal bias in this election but I've been letting you use them in this debate anyway. Suck it up princess, actually debate the chart instead of saying "bluh not reputable."


    [CITATION NEEDED]

    Meanwhile this is happening: http://www.cbpp.org/research/food-a...-lose-snap-benefits-in-2016-as-waivers-expire

    Nope.

    "In short, this projection assumes that Trump won't cut spending at all and instead will incur in debt to make up for the loss of federal revenue.

    Where does this number come from?

    It comes from applying "Tax Foundation Taxes and Growth Model" to Trump's proposed fiscal policy. These are the expected results over a decade based on that model:

    • GDP +11.5%
    • Capital investment +29%
    • Wage rate +6.5%
    • Full-time equivalent jobs +5.3 million
    • Federal revenue -$9.5 trillion
    What does the media report?

    Obviously, they only report "Trump would add $10 trillion in national debt". Very dishonest! Some are so dishonest as to talk about more than $20 trillion in debt by projecting far beyond a decade!

    Why is this disingenuous?

    First, this is about the same rate of debt growth as Obama, therefore it comes across as a huge double standard when the Liberal media reports on it as the end of the world. Secondly, and most important, as the original report clearly states, this is assuming Trump won't cut spending. As if anyone has a doubt that Trump will cut waste, fraud and abuse and make the government more efficient:

    How much would Trump need to cut?

    At $9.5 trillion over a decade, and considering the federal government currently spends $4 trillion every year, it means he would need to reduce the yearly federal budget by less than $1 trillion, which still leaves federal spending well above what it used to be before Obama."
     
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  18. Ragemage

    Ragemage Wept for Zion

    Feb 20, 2016
    Actually he's not making anything up. As NBC just announced, he's most likely correct in his assumption: http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/pol...ir-force-one-order-boeing-stock-slips-n692511

    "According to the latest figures, Trump is likely correct about the eventual $4 billion price tag, which would be paid out over the next decade or more. Research and development is already at $2.7 billion for the first two years, a number that is already budgeted and approved, and the Government Accountability Office warned last year that the cost would be approximately $3.2 billion. By the time the aircraft is delivered, the total cost will likely be over $4 billion, because the government still has to buy the two aircraft once they are built."

    So no, it's not a PR stunt. He's saving us a shitton of money by cancelling the plane's production, like a good president should.
     
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  19. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    Geez ... some people are still going on with this 2.5-3m votes are just illegals ... seriously, I wouldn't be surprised if the US actually ends up one day in a civil war over something like that ... based on no facts at all.