actualy I killed House cause he was arogant. If I am thinking about that was the main reason I also killed most of the centurions from the legion I came across. 
who did you side with on your first playthrough
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I sided with Dr. House. Because of all the factions he was the one side that could bring a better future for humanity.
- He had the knowledge to do so. Both the technical knowledge and the business knowledge.
- He has the interest of bringing New Vegas to its former glory. And even build rockets.
- He had no interest on conquering other lands. Nor imposing a system on the other towns.
Sure, he is an arrogant megalomaniac. But one with a vision.
The Legion was too evil for my taste, and would fall out anyway once Caesar was death.
The NCR was just the same crap as todays government. The illusion of democracy where there is none. And a sense of annexing anything they want without regard if people like it or not.
And YesMan was too dangerous. He could evolve into a Sky-net later on.
So overall of all the evils. House seemed like the least one.
- He had the knowledge to do so. Both the technical knowledge and the business knowledge.
- He has the interest of bringing New Vegas to its former glory. And even build rockets.
- He had no interest on conquering other lands. Nor imposing a system on the other towns.
Sure, he is an arrogant megalomaniac. But one with a vision.
The Legion was too evil for my taste, and would fall out anyway once Caesar was death.
The NCR was just the same crap as todays government. The illusion of democracy where there is none. And a sense of annexing anything they want without regard if people like it or not.
And YesMan was too dangerous. He could evolve into a Sky-net later on.
So overall of all the evils. House seemed like the least one.
rxantos said:
So, basically, House is an autocratic dictator using an army of robots to rule over the tribals he allows to live (remember Freetown? Yeah, those were people on House's bad side.) and doesn't care about the bloodshed and anarchy outside his city-state's borders, of which there is quite a lot.
Basically, House's problem is the Brotherhood of Steel's problem: Not enough influence or manpower to impose a "better" world, and thus doomed to lose relevance in the face of larger powers.
I agree with rxantos. I feel the same way.
- Caesar is barbarism - definitely out.
- NCR is same old thing we have now. Another democracy illusion with corruption and moral dissolution running rampant. May as well turn into another enclave or bomb the enemies with nuclear weaponry once it acquires the tech. Definitively a no-no.
- House may not have the manpower and influence, but that doesn't change the fact he's the only side that offers something new. Something that can work, instead of another rome or another pre-war US. Rome and Pre-war US failed miserably both and giving them another try is a waste of time to me.
- Caesar is barbarism - definitely out.
- NCR is same old thing we have now. Another democracy illusion with corruption and moral dissolution running rampant. May as well turn into another enclave or bomb the enemies with nuclear weaponry once it acquires the tech. Definitively a no-no.
- House may not have the manpower and influence, but that doesn't change the fact he's the only side that offers something new. Something that can work, instead of another rome or another pre-war US. Rome and Pre-war US failed miserably both and giving them another try is a waste of time to me.
Diomedes20
First time out of the vault
When i first started playing i was going to side with the Legion, on account of being a Latin student, but when i met the Yes Man i was like, "Wait! I can take over Vegas?" so I sided with him...[spoiler:68df6390fb]after i blew up the securitron army...[/spoiler:68df6390fb]
probably_not_a_mutie
First time out of the vault
Diomedes20 said:
Thomas de Aynesworth
Where'd That 6th Toe Come From?
I sided with the Legion. I admire them.
I sided with Yes Man, simply because he was voiced by Dave Foley (Kids in the Hall!) and I got a kick out of his slavish-yet-sarcastic delivery. I think Foley's Yes-Man is my new favorite fallout character, topping everyone from FO 1,2. Fallout 3 barely had characters.
My second favorite fallout character, also new, is Cass, just for her sneak-commentary:
"Shhhhhh, we're hunting ****heads!"
Plus, the independent thing: I mean, it's the Wasteland, who do you trust more than yours truly to do the job right anyway? A possible AI/autocrat, a dictator or a rudderless, corrupt republic?
I vote for me. Unless we are talking about vault 11, in which case, I vote for you.
My second favorite fallout character, also new, is Cass, just for her sneak-commentary:
"Shhhhhh, we're hunting ****heads!"
Plus, the independent thing: I mean, it's the Wasteland, who do you trust more than yours truly to do the job right anyway? A possible AI/autocrat, a dictator or a rudderless, corrupt republic?
I vote for me. Unless we are talking about vault 11, in which case, I vote for you.
Lanius
Monster of the East
Thomas de Aynesworth said:
HAH! Finally! Someone who thinks like me! I admire them too. Vulpes Inculta is so badass. And Legate Lanius... damn, can't find words for his badassness.
That's what I wrote in another thread:
Thomas de Aynesworth
Where'd That 6th Toe Come From?
The synthesis between the Legion and the NCR that Caesar speaks of would be really, really interesting I think.
Lanius
Monster of the East
Thomas de Aynesworth said:
Right! I thought about that too.
You know, I have a friend who also plays New Vegas, and he absolutely hates the Legion. He thinks they are fascist (he's total left-wing in real life anyway). And I believe he is right. And even though that might be the case, the Legion is by far the best chance humanity has.
What did the Great War show us? It showed us the evil, the total depravity of Democracies and their citizens that lead to the Great War. The whole world was a wallow of corrupt, evil, greedy nations.
So yes, a synthesis of the NCR and the fascist Legion would be very interesting.
Thomas de Aynesworth
Where'd That 6th Toe Come From?
You don't need a global thermo-nuclear war to see how totally depraved and evil Western democracies are. I see your point, though.
Caesar wanted to build a civilization that would rival both the corrupt and broken democracies of the past (notice how even the NCR uses "democracy" when allegedly it is a republic?) and the imperial dictatorship of ancient Rome. His comparison of himself to Iulius Caesar and the Colorado to the Rubicon is an oversimplification.
Most likely the end result would be a fascist state, similar in fashion to Mussolini's Italy or even the National Legionary State of Greater Romania.
Maybe a proto-fascist state like the Russian Federation, but I doubt it, given the strong ethos instilled in the members of Caesar's Legion.
Caesar wanted to build a civilization that would rival both the corrupt and broken democracies of the past (notice how even the NCR uses "democracy" when allegedly it is a republic?) and the imperial dictatorship of ancient Rome. His comparison of himself to Iulius Caesar and the Colorado to the Rubicon is an oversimplification.
Most likely the end result would be a fascist state, similar in fashion to Mussolini's Italy or even the National Legionary State of Greater Romania.
Maybe a proto-fascist state like the Russian Federation, but I doubt it, given the strong ethos instilled in the members of Caesar's Legion.
And, uh, one makes the other impossible?Thomas de Aynesworth said:
A state can be a republic, but not a democracy, it can be a democracy without being a republic and it can be both.
Anyway, the problem with the Legion is that they are portrayed as completely evil and not really as a "grey" choice.
Thomas de Aynesworth
Where'd That 6th Toe Come From?
Pretty much. Do you live in the USA? It is not a republic.Hassknecht said:
A true republic is not and cannot be a democracy. Democracies are insane.
Rational people should shudder at the idea of a democracy. Nothing gets done, people get stomped on in a creepy, Huxleyesque fashion, even worse, people in democracies hold themselves accountable when the system inevitably fucks up. At least in a republic like Rome, every single mistake and screw-up can be blamed on a certain individual.
Lanius
Monster of the East
Thomas de Aynesworth said:
Of course not! I bet that our real life democracies are already more depraved and evil, than the pre-Great War nations were in 2077...
Thomas de Aynesworth
Where'd That 6th Toe Come From?
Of course not, where did you get that from?Ausir said:
By Mars, somebody gets me. Haha.Lanius said: