Why is Caesar legion so hated?

Sn1p3r187 said:
Yeah exactly what Earth said. But at the same time. I think they might also be hated for their fashion sense. Just sayin. Also, I think in the end their means of victory justify their ends. Their hated because a lot of people know the Legion will fall after Caesar is dead. Maybe it's hated because people know it's not built to last.
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Yeah, honestly I would have liked the Legion more if they didn't look so ridicuilous. But I blame it on the engine. It just looked shitty in general. From the textures and models to almost everything. Gamebro in action! Or what ever that shit is called. But I just could never take the legion serious in their makeshift football gear roman wannabe clothes ... I just hate roman fashion that looks like in one of those old Ben Hur movies with a passion. If they at least made them look like in the movie Gladiator.
 
Crni Vuk said:
Yeah, honestly I would have liked the Legion more if they didn't look so ridicuilous. But I blame it on the engine. It just looked shitty in general. From the textures and models to almost everything. Gamebro in action! Or what ever that shit is called. But I just could never take the legion serious in their makeshift football gear roman wannabe clothes ... I just hate roman fashion that looks like in one of those old Ben Hur movies with a passion. If they at least made them look like in the movie Gladiator.
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You may want to give a try to "Caesars New Regime - Legion Overhaul" by Dragbody. Truly turns the Legion into a badass, believable faction, visually speaking :
http://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/m...vegas/ajax/modimages/?user=0&id=45557&gid=130
 
I'm actually fine with the Legion outfits. Mixing it with New Regime does improve it though. It'd be cool to integrate the Marked Men outfits into the Legion armoury. I always felt like Legionaries would wear their spoils. You kill a Ranger, you wear their helmet. That sort of thing.

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Earth said:
I'm actually fine with the Legion outfits. Mixing it with New Regime does improve it though. It'd be cool to integrate the Marked Men outfits into the Legion armoury. I always felt like Legionnaires would wear their spoils. You kill a Ranger, you wear their helmet. That sort of thing.

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To be honest. It looks pretty freaking metal. I'd wear it if I were anyone in the wasteland.
 
Sn1p3r187 said:
To be honest. It looks pretty freaking metal. I'd wear it if I were anyone in the wasteland.
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Yeah, I always felt like Legion armour should look more makeshift and battle-damaged. Wearing the knucklebones of your enemies as a necklace. That sort of thing.

I know these are supposed to be Roman-wannabes and the Romans were pretty uptight about uniforms but come on, plenty of these Legionaries are former tribespeople. If Ulysses can get away with his dreadlocks then I think Legionaries can get away with wearing war-spoils.

Another case in point. Heavy trooper armour with Legion insignia on it.

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I think a mix of vanilla, Marked Man and Caesar's New Regime armours gives the best impression of what the Legion probably would most be like if not for the gamebryo's original limitations.
 
Crni Vuk said:
Depends for who. The Sovietunion wasn't as prosperous as people think. Particularly for the farmers. Yes, Tzarist Russia was shit. But a lot of the changes that we saw in the Sovietunion took already place under the Tzarist regime, like industrialisation. It's not like Stalin or Lenin came in one day and said, no more slavery now! People have been fucked up by the system long before they heard from Lenin and his communist followers. People often use the average living standard of the average Russian under the Tzar and compare it with the average Soviet citizen, and say, look! It was better!. But they forget that from 1918 to 1939 before WW2 broke out, the living standard of ALL european citizens was growing. Since the Tzar had to resign in 1918, we have no clue how much Russia would have improved in those 20 years under the Tzar and if it maybe became even a constitutional monarchy like in the UK.

Infact, I even argue that communism slowed down progress in the Sovietunion after WW1 due to the Isolationist nature of the communist regime, particulary under Stalin. They rejected a lot of the science and theories which came from the west. Take the military as example. Soviet commanders developed the tactic of the so called deep battle, which was inspired by Fuller and other military theories which involved combined forces and a strong focus on fast and mobile tanks and units. Many of those ideas have been rejected, simply beacuse they came from the west, and commanders faced harsh penalities if not outright excecution under Stalin. Communism, in the Sovietunion, was a very riggid system. Particularly biology and agriculture was heavily dominated by their theory of social darwinism which was totally bollocks.
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Constitutional Monarchy under a Tzar? You realize they tried that but the Tzar dissolved the Duma and took absolute power.

But I agree to everything else here.
 
Well, the monarchy in Russia was definetly on it's last leg, so much is sure. It would have colapsed after WW1, even without Lenin and the Communists.
 
My revulsion to the Legion is attributed to their excessive brutality and use of slavery. I admire parts of their code of conduct and military, but my revulsion to the former two aspects overrides this admiration irrespective of its strength. I agree with the notion that Caesar himself is a psychopath, and I think most here will agree. I cite the following dialogue from Caesar to exemplify it:

"My Praetorians embody the martial ideals of my Legion. Each one of them has done enough conquering and killing to deserve the rank of Centurion. Instead, I invited them to join my guard. So the invitee chooses whichever current guard he thinks is weakest - and challenges him. The fight is to the death. It keeps them from getting complacent."

"If you ever - ever - disobey me again, I will order my Praetorians to hack you to death with their machetes for my entertainment."

"You need to work on your bloodthirst. We won't speak again until Benny is dead."

"When they refused to surrender, I ordered every man, woman, and child killed. When next we surrounded the Kaibabs and they likewise refused..."
 
Practicat said:
My revulsion to the Legion is attributed to their excessive brutality and use of slavery. I admire parts of their code of conduct and military, but my revulsion to the former two aspects overrides this admiration irrespective of its strength. I agree with the notion that Caesar himself is a psychopath, and I think most here will agree. I cite the following dialogue from Caesar to exemplify it:

"My Praetorians embody the martial ideals of my Legion. Each one of them has done enough conquering and killing to deserve the rank of Centurion. Instead, I invited them to join my guard. So the invitee chooses whichever current guard he thinks is weakest - and challenges him. The fight is to the death. It keeps them from getting complacent."

"If you ever - ever - disobey me again, I will order my Praetorians to hack you to death with their machetes for my entertainment."

"You need to work on your bloodthirst. We won't speak again until Benny is dead."

"When they refused to surrender, I ordered every man, woman, and child killed. When next we surrounded the Kaibabs and they likewise refused..."
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Where is he a psychopath in this?
 
Dr Fallout said:
I'm getting a negative for that. That doesn't mean he's a psychopath.
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psychopath

noun

a person suffering from chronic mental disorder with abnormal or violent social behavior.

It is not socially normal to ask for people to be killed at your bemusement, or for you to require a deathmatch between two of your own men to choose a personal guard. And that CERTAINLY counts as violent.

Say what you will about his tactics; they certainly work. But they are, by definition, psychopathic.
 
Operation Wignut said:
psychopath

noun

a person suffering from chronic mental disorder with abnormal or violent social behavior.

It is not socially normal to ask for people to be killed at your bemusement, or for you to require a deathmatch between two of your own men to choose a personal guard. And that CERTAINLY counts as violent.

Say what you will about his tactics; they certainly work. But they are, by definition, psychopathic.
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Do you want me to explain why he does all these things... there's a political and strategic reason.
 
Dr Fallout said:
Do you want me to explain why he does all these things... there's a political and strategic reason.
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Of course there is, otherwise the Legion would have fallen a long time ago. Psychopathic behavior is still psychopathic behavior, though. You said you got a "negative" for psychopath, in regards to analyzation of Caesar, when he is, by DEFINITION, psychopathic in analysis.
 
Operation Wignut said:
Of course there is, otherwise the Legion would have fallen a long time ago. Psychopathic behavior is still psychopathic behavior, though. You said you got a "negative" for psychopath, in regards to analyzation of Caesar, when he is, by DEFINITION, psychopathic in analysis.
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So... Stalin was a psychopath?
 
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