Throatpunch
Banned
Certainly not, Caesar tells us that the NCR is the antithesis to the Legion and he wants to destroy it. Also the Legion is a war nation so there is not chance it would ever make peace with anyone.
Why is Caesar legion so hated?
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I think the legion would be more interesting if it was more pragmatic and less rabid. Possibly my biggest criticism of the game is that the Legion is too one-dimensional. And I never had any time for Caesar's pseudo-philosphic hegelian bullshit. I don't think the game would lose anything if that was written out. But that's just me.
I think it would fit in with the theme of letting go quite well if it had turned out that the whole war was a result of the NCR's inability to let go of its distaste for the legion's tactics and its own expansionism.
It would lose a lot if it was written out, but it would have gained way more if it had been developed further.
Legion is the biggest victim in FNV based on the sole fact that limited time for development forced Obsidian to cut their content the most. In the original design Legion was a lot more pragmatic.
0wing
Все умрут, а я волномут
Shame about cut content. If only Legion was as fleshed out as NCR, more people would choose Legion. Why? Because NCR is a fucking feudal state which adds new lands and rips off settlers with huge taxes so rich people at Shady Sands got richer and prosperous and does nothing to increase life quality. How do you like it when cowboys with bear hunting rifles take over technological oasis in the middle of nowhere Vegas and shut down Securitrons because they're too dumb to activate and use it. Heavely guarded Camp McCarran where a band of pew-pew junkies gives THIS much trouble as they do? Bitch, please. Kicks off Followers of the Apocalypse and the Kings, the only ones who helps Freeside no matter what just because The Courier wasn't there to solve their 'misunderstandings'? Fuck yo. Now, seriously, how do you guys came to conclusion that NCR is democratic state? Democratic state doesn't work the way they do. Without 'civilized state' Mojave is a dire desert but with? Dire desert with even worse life and more stuff to care about.
Who would choose them outside of roleplaying aspect of being NCR supporter? Emil and people who scratch only the surface (Oh noes Legion is so uncivilized even though it's not 'west coast' yo where you can expect utopias like Vault City, Shady Sands on steroids or facepalmworthy San Francisco, it's a fucking eastern desert where New Vegas is the only more or less civilized state)? I guess so.
Who would choose them outside of roleplaying aspect of being NCR supporter? Emil and people who scratch only the surface (Oh noes Legion is so uncivilized even though it's not 'west coast' yo where you can expect utopias like Vault City, Shady Sands on steroids or facepalmworthy San Francisco, it's a fucking eastern desert where New Vegas is the only more or less civilized state)? I guess so.
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And why would people chose the Legion instead, even if it was more pragmatic? At the end of the day, neither the Legion NOR the NCR are good for Vegas.
Throatpunch
Banned
Yeah. Why pick a bunch of dicks with crufixion fetishes and empire delusions, or a big government that loves to tax and radiates incompetence.
0wing
Все умрут, а я волномут
Doesn't have to, they worth each other but the so-called gut guyz just written and realized better. It's just a matter of two chairs, one with sharpened spades and the other one with erected dicks. But becase spades aren't sharped and clean enough, people mistake themselves and sit on dicks without second thought. The other options doesn't comes to mind often so you have this situation. House at least have the resources and opportunities to restore order and civilization to some extend at least in Vegas. But butthurted NCR cowboys seems but jelaous and frightened by independent authority this powerful.
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Legion at least is not as apathic (APATHY IS DEATH) as NCR troops. While the NCR soldier will whine about ration and low morality, Legion soldier will eat dust and live for Ceaser and Legion's good and the order that they established on the east where according to F3: Van Buren shitholes like Modoc and Klamath can be considered metropolises.
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Dr. Fallout in 3... 2... 1...
0wing
Все умрут, а я волномут
*grabs popcorn*
Dr Fallout
Centurion
That depends on what you see as good for Vegas. For example I see security and safety as a pretty good thing for the chaotic city of New Vegas, where fiends live in the sewers and Freeside is gang territory while a major casino is run by an abusive gang of criminals and blackmailers.
Well, I based this on the fact that the Legion, no matter if they would be even better then the NCR, would be still most probably seen as an occupying force. And no matter what, some people will always fight them. That's all I am saying.
Dr Fallout
Centurion
That's where I disagree to a point. While yes it's true there will be armed resistance, keep in mind that the Legion are experienced in breaking cultural and ethical barriers, they're masters at assimilating others which makes me doubt the problem will last for long.
Izak
I Shot The ALBATROSS
The Romans themselves were quite good at all that and they still had to crush innumerable rebellions.
Dr Fallout
Centurion
Yes but the legion go that extra distance. Do you see the Romans forcefully changing history to extinguish tribes, do you see the Romans purging the old so that they have control of the young and do you see the Romans forcing these tribes people to live under Caesar's legion till birth?
Dr Fallout
Centurion
But it's PEEEEEEERFECT!!!
Throatpunch
Banned
No. Mr House is perfect. He is the future of humanity, or did I not educate you in that thread?
olestra
Look, Ma! Two Heads!
I'd rather trust the robot, if Beneath a Steel Sky taught me anything.
mithrap
Ring a ding-ding, baby
Exactly.
In the end, it's about what prevails, between freedom, prosperity and justice. If the new world only had one of these elements, which one should it be ?
Freedom, but neither prosperity nor justice = New California Republic
Prosperity, but without freedom or justice = Mister House
Justice, without freedom or prosperity = Caesar's Legion
Depends which element is the most important to you. That's actually a very interesting question, makes you think on the priorities a society must focus on. Works really well with a neo-apocalyptic setting such as Fallout's.
Nope, but the Soviet Union did. Brutality only works up to a certain point.
How exactly are the Legion going to conquer the NCR? It will be nearly impossible to assimilate half a million citizens, like they would with a tribe. And NCR citizens from the Core Region aren't going to be impressed by marginally safer roads like tribals or small communities will be. They won't embrace the legion. Either the legion is going to have to kill them all (in which case they're going to get bogged down for possibly decades against a guerrilla insurgency. Farmers with survival skills and hunting weapons can do a lot against an enemy of the technological level of the Legion)