World Cup 2010 South Africa

I am unsure about technology. I mean: Where to draw the line? Will every foul be checked? What is too much pushing/pulling?

With or without technology: the referee made the mistake, a big one. It was easily avoidable with a better referee. Also they are testing to have another referee checking the goal line only
 
Every referee makes mistakes like that because you just can't see clearly all the time. You can blame the referee for this, but this could've happened to any referee. And the only way to prevent things like this from happening is to allow the use of technology: why would you not use a camera on the goal line?
 
Sander said:
Sure, it's bullshit that there are no technological aids. I just don't like when that discussion, which comes up every week or so anyway, overshadows the football itself. Especially not when people make unfounded statements that it decided the game, when it did not.
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Lets say Sepp Blatter does everything to feed the fire.

Actually, it turned out to be a very key moment to me. 2-1 instead of 2-2 ---> shitloads of space for German breaks ---> two more German goals. No matter how terrible their defence actually was, those were two easy goals for the Germans.

Well, at least it's good Germany kept playing offensive and didn't spent too much time rolling around the grass, eg. like Slovakians against Italy.

But whatever, whatever. Now - c'mon, Diego Armando!
 
Jesterka said:
Lets say Sepp Blatter does everything to feed the fire.

Actually, it turned out to be a very key moment to me. 2-1 instead of 2-2 ---> shitloads of space for German breaks ---> two more German goals. No matter how terrible their defence actually was, those were two easy goals for the Germans.
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But so were the first two goals. It's a shame, but there's very little chance Germany would not have waltzed over England had it been 2-2, as they did when it was 0-0 and 0-1.
 
Another big mistake by a referee..shameful!

I wouldn't mind a camera at the line, but a camera or a new referee is basically the same thing
 
Roflcore said:
Another big mistake by a referee..shameful!

I wouldn't mind a camera at the line, but a camera or a new referee is basically the same thing
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Not at all. A camera allows one to not only see everything that happens, but also to check back and correct mistakes. Something that you cannot do with just another referee.
 
Point, but would you limit it to a camera inside the goal, or full video technology? I bet once they introduce technology the people demand more.
 
Roflcore said:
Point, but would you limit it to a camera inside the goal, or full video technology? I bet once they introduce technology the people demand more.
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The people already demand more, so that's hardly a valid argument.

I'd want to see as much video help as possible without obstructing the flow of the play. It's really easy to quickly see if a ball was over the line for a referee with access to the video technology, so there's no real reason not to use that as much as possible. On the other hand, it's tough to argue that video replays should be used to determine what is and isn't a foul as that often won't clear up matters: the difference between a clumsy tackle and a foul is fuzzy as hell. Mostly, I'd like to see it used in offside situations and whether balls cross lines, so that would mostly be a case of using the technology in very discrete situations where you there's little room for ambiguity.
 
Crni Vuk said:
I like the human error in soccer. It keeps the game interesting in my eyes.
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I never understand this perspective.

Technological aid first of all wouldn't eliminate human error at all, as most rules aren't anywhere nearly clearly defined enough to make cases clear-cut.
Second of all, how is this being interesting a good form of interesting? As if people wouldn't find a dozen other things to discuss. Things that would be more interesting to discuss anyway, like tactics.

I mean, it's not like this is creating any actual discussion on whether it's a goal or not: everyone who watches the footage agrees that it has to be a goal. So there is no discussion on the goal at all, the only discussion is on the subject of video referees.

Third, even if you could take out any officiating errors there's still plenty of 'human error' on the side of tactics and the players to make things interesting.
 
Shitty refereeing. Especially absurd in the case of the argentinian "goal" since everyone in the stadium saw the error. What i don't get is why, having seen it (on the screen), didn't the line referee say something to the main referee when they were 'consulting' (which probably went like; 'shit, we screwed up, let's do nothing about it!'), so the 'goal' gets nulled... perhaps he could have acted like he knew all along, no? :P

Hopefully, the refereeing teams will have their asses kicked by their bosses a little bit so we don't see this kind of embarrasment anymore in the world cup.
 
Sander said:
Crni Vuk said:
I like the human error in soccer. It keeps the game interesting in my eyes.
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I never understand this perspective.
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It keeps the game interesting. Thats from my point of view. Others might think different of course.

But thake the Wembley goal as example. People still find it fun to discuss it. And I like such parts about the sport. There have been ideas to use a chip in the ball for example so you could always know the exact position. But as said. I like it with a few errors here and there to keep the game interesting.
 
The referee didn’t lose the match for England, their terrible defense did…most of the goals from Germany could have been easily prevented by a quality team, they left nobody in defense and paid the price, and just like Sander mentioned England like to crowd the middle of the ground when they go into attack, while Germany sweep down the flanks and cross into the middle. I wouldn’t call this a great victory for Germany…but it is a great loss for England. Germany versus Argentina…that will be the real test.
 
x'il said:
Yeah, Germany and Maradona meet again! Hehe. Very promising game.
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Agreed, looking forward to that one. I want Argentina to win to be honest, but the thing is that they still have bad momories from the last WC where they were beaten by the germans...they might get a little nervous. The Germans on the other hand are quite confident since they have a 4-1 victory over England. Time will tell...
 
yeah like against Australia and loosing to Serbia ...

Letz hope they learned from that. They should celebrate the victory over England but concentrate as fast as possible on the next enemy, Argentinia.
 
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x'il said:
Shitty refereeing. Especially absurd in the case of the argentinian "goal" since everyone in the stadium saw the error. What i don't get is why, having seen it (on the screen), didn't the line referee say something to the main referee when they were 'consulting' (which probably went like; 'shit, we screwed up, let's do nothing about it!'), so the 'goal' gets nulled... perhaps he could have acted like he knew all along, no? :P
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They aren't allowed! They saw they made a mistake, but simply couldn't overturn a ruling once it has been made, based on video evidence.


Hopefully, the refereeing teams will have their asses kicked by their bosses a little bit so we don't see this kind of embarrasment anymore in the world cup.
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Referees make mistakes. It was a blunder, but I don't blame the referee. It's FIFA to blame.


Crni Vuk said:
yeah like against Australia and loosing to Serbia ...

Letz hope they learned from that. They should celebrate the victory over England but concentrate as fast as possible on the next enemy, Argentinia.
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Come on. Losing to Serbia was a fluke. They were a man down, still a better team, and Poldi missed a couple of chances and a Penalty (it's obvious he isn't a true German, germans simply don't miss penalties :) )
 
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