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I see, so many Marketing gurus, econimists and Sonny/Microsoft professionals around here.

You guys got your education from the Yahoo collegue or the Google university :P
 
if you dont work for a large organization, you dont realize how stupid policies can get deployed.

someone in a suit has a smart idea to increase security. this security relies on a whole host of factors. but it offers dynamic port security on a network. sounds good doesnt it? dynamic security on every port in the network.

first time there is a problem on one of those factors, nobody can fix the problem remotely because the whole system is down. so someone has to physically go to the point of failure and fix it. meanwhile the whole network was effectively down because everyones port was shut off.

suits get angry over how long everyone was offline for a significant portion of the network.

solution: no port security for people who manage the network.

the idea of dynamic port security sounds nice, and it will work on a smallish network. the moment you try to deploy it to a massive network, there are going to be problems. many of which can be easily predicted. but because someone in a suit heard of an idea that sounds nice, it still today causes massive effective outages when the system has a hiccup.
 
Stanislao Moulinsky said:
Serious question, with all the backlash it's receiveing do you think MSFT will cut this DRM bullshit or you think they have gone too far with contracts, deals and the like for that to be an option?
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I'm wondering if they're gonna fire Don Mattrick, or at least move him somewhere where he can never open his mouth again to another human being.
Dudes marketing the hell out of the PS4 unintentionally, maybe he's a Sony sleeper agent who has spent years undercover until the keyphrase "Xbone" triggered him to annoy everyone. :look:
 
actually what some people think is that sony is hiding their DRM mechanisms until it releases.

they also have some patents that people were up in arms about a while ago.
 
TheWesDude said:
if you dont work for a large organization, you dont realize how stupid policies can get deployed.
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You really see this in a lot of websites, especially NGOs where I work. Every single department wants a link on the site navigation, so you have one drop-down bar that literally goes to the bottom of the screen.
 
the thing I would fear, is that others will simply follow, well in this case ... Sony. Not now, but give it time, I mean Microsoft is taking the shit for it now, and Sony will be succesfull with it in the future.

Happend many times like that. At least on the PC. Someone is doing the "DRM" or what ever other garbage, takes the flack, and the others simply follow.

I find it rather worrysome how easily and how much has already changed on the PC and the consoles. All in the name of "fighting piracy". What about consumer rights though? Or userfriendlyness? I remember a time when those things have been very important as well. I would not be surprised if Microsoft is doing it really on purpose with the intention to piss of people now, but already with the next generation of hardware in mind since no one will care about it anymore at that point, they will just buy the crap. I mean imagine someone would have told you 15 years ago what games would all require today. Always online requirements, forced DRM and other crap systems. And the sadest part? The consumers goble it down, all of it. I am not saying gamers have been that different in the 80s or 90s. Consumers are sheep. They always have been. But I think the people on the top have been a bit different, feeling rather like "gamers" then "buisness" men. I guess thats why quite a few companies stoped to exist. Great game makers, bad salesman.

I am really curious where all of this will end. I mean I really see my self as "gamer" but I lost a lot of interest in many of those modern and new titles. Not because they would be bad. Many of them are quite decent. But its this DRM and forced account registration for a service I dont want nor need that really pisses me off. And in some cases if their servers stop to work, for some reason the singleplayer game you bought as well. Nice new gaming world isnt it?
 
Sony has said that any DRM in the PS4 will be the same as the DRM in the PS3. I think the only game on PS3 to use any kind of DRM was Bionic Commando Rearmed which required an Internet connection to play. The same was true for region locking. The PS3 was "region free", but publishers could still choose to region-lock if they so chose. The only company to do that was Index/Atlus with Persona 4 Arena because they were worried about reverse importing because they are cheap fucking assholes.

So I really see no need to worry.
 
So in attempting to lure back people who were turned off by their DRM policies, they go and alienate the ones who were interested in their Family Share and Digital Library plans?

Go Microsoft!
 
So it seems it wasn't impossible to change the DRM policy. It's amazing how idiotic they were thinking that people en masse would accept it. Can't wait for the "journalists" that defended the DRM BS to spin this as a negative. :)

But damn, I wanted MSFT to go through with this. Not only I love (well deserved) schadenfreude but the abysmal failure of the XB1 would have been -maybe- a lesson for others.
 
Stanislao Moulinsky said:
So it seems it wasn't impossible to change the DRM policy. It's amazing how idiotic they were thinking that people en masse would accept it. Can't wait for the "journalists" that defended the DRM BS to spin this as a negative. :)

But damn, I wanted MSFT to go through with this. Not only I love (well deserved) schadenfreude but the abysmal failure of the XB1 would have been -maybe- a lesson for others.
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Even the ''journalists'' are laughting at this one. Even IGN's Colin Moriarty (a sellout if there ever was one) said the whole thing was extremely stupid. Granted knowing those IGN types it could be an attempt to join the rage bandwagon but still.

I still won't buy it, mind. But it's hilarious to see how Microsoft announced their DRM as the 2nd coming and reps on twitter and beyond mocked those with concerns, yet they quietly go back to the sane option. This is less ''listening to the fans'' as it is ''it took half the gaming world pointing out how incredibly stupid this idea was for our money-addled corporate brains to lighten up''.
 
Stanislao Moulinsky said:
But damn, I wanted MSFT to go through with this. Not only I love (well deserved) schadenfreude but the abysmal failure of the XB1 would have been -maybe- a lesson for others.
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Me too, I was a little bit sad even. On the other hand, it proves that consumers are able to affect a big industry player's policies, which is nice to see.
 
Ilosar said:
I still won't buy it, mind.
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Same, if only because they tried anyway.

But it's hilarious to see how Microsoft announced their DRM as the 2nd coming and reps on twitter and beyond mocked those with concerns, yet they quietly go back to the sane option.
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Four days ago.

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Yeah, it's amazing that until yesterday they were all "we are sticking to our policy". Talk about flip-flopping, the negativity and the pre-orders must have been terribad to make them backpedal to something that obviously wasn't put together in a month.

Still, they left us with some last laughs on the matter.

Microsoft officials wanted to finish explaining themselves before changing their policy (of course!) and when asked they didn't say wether their policies would change again before launch or not (eh). Also, have you noticed that, even though the 24-hour check is no more, the console nonetheless needs a one time online activation? *groan* So people that don't have internet still have to face an unneeded complication. And what is it needed for, anyway? :confused:
 
Angry Joe is a dumbass. Specially there, even if I am not an Xbone fan but the guy in grey is right, how can Joe claim so easily that he knowsit's simple to disable it, he is not a hardware deveoper, he is some jackass who yells in front of a camera.

Also they only announced they are going to disable it, the machine is due to release in november so they still have to work on the logistics of disabling their stupid drm.
 
if they know how to enable, then they also know how to ... disable it.

It should be somewhat fairly easy. As long its not hardwired in to every single console, I guess its more a software thing.
 
Not necessarily, considering it is rather integral to the system it's probably hardcoded somewhere really annoying, where removing it will create damaging ripples in other parts of the software.
Sorta like how simple bug fixes in MMOs tend to break half the game way to often.
 
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