Bethesda’s Pete Hines Fallout 4 interview

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Cool, I like how Josh emphasizes choices and consequences. Be on the lookout for that in Fallout 4 among other things. I feel they're going to be there, but whether they execute them like say Obsidian would is another matter. At least we get Creation Kit 2.0 or whatever it's going to be called.
 
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I'm glad NMA has responded appropriately. Carry on troops. :grin:

Bethesda finally gave us a reason to hate them more. When you would rather listen to the story in a bland cinematic action game, as opposed to a REAL RPG, then you fucked up. Skipping dialog is the best thing they have to say about dialog, aside from having voice acting to make the crap dialog stand out more. What a fucking joke. I wish the game would get middling reviews but I have no doubt it will perform well. I love how the Fallout audience is looked at as a bunch of mutated retards now, who swallow up whatever jizz Bethesda ejaculates at them.

Absolutely fucking disgusting, why must you say things like this? At least show some civility.

I guess I'm naive for hoping this place could one day at least show tolerance? Yes, probably. Even /v/ makes fun of us.
 
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It's disgusting to not like Bethesda guys, you are very intolerant if you dislike their take on an RPG franchise. When will you guys learn to like what every dude that registers to complain about you not liking the same games as them likes? Huh?

What's "/V/" and why would anyone even care about them?

Did I ever, literally ever, say a word about disagreeing with his opinion? Re-read what I said. I have an issue with how immature it is. That the entire Fallout fandom "drinks Bethesda jizz". I understand being upset about it, but going and saying shit like that makes you, and everyone here, look like an asshole, to everyone. Somehow, that's all okay, because we're a secret clubhouse where no Bethtards are allowed. Did it ever occur some of those people make incredible things? That we're pushing away an entirely creative community just because of their opinion? I didn't say we had to agree with their opinion, but to accept it. To actually, you know, become a hub for -all- Fallout related fan stuff, to encourage creation and love of the series, instead of an echo chamber where we do nothing and complain about how 'ignorant' people are for not sharing -our- opinion. This is what we're viewed as, and will continue to be, if we continue to have this narcissistic and condescending attitude towards people with ideas that they want to share. Do we have to agree with them? Again. No. Just accept them.

Instead, we make jokes about how they swallow jizz and are all subhuman.

And to reinforce what I mean. I am. Not. Disagreeing. With his view.

He is not "VERY INTOLERANT" for disliking Bethesda's view. -I- Dislike. Bethesda's rendition. A lot.

What I dislike? People who act like fucking five-year olds about it. That's why I said I'm naive for probably thinking this way. Nobody cares about the ideas of the new generation or sharing with them new ideas, just convincing them that Fallout could be something greater, no. Just telling them to go fuck themselves.

Go fuck yourself, Fallout 3 cosplayers, go fuck yourself, Bethesda-loving, semen-guzzling cosplay whores, go fuck yourself Fallout 3/NV-inspired fanfilm makers, go fuck yourself. That is what I take away when I read some of the posts here. And it saddens me because this is the oldest Fallout community. It has so much foundation, so much history, it should be a place where people can come to learn about the series they love, and love it even more. To share their amazing creations, despite where they became a fan of it. To share their love, just, share their love of this franchise. But I know this community has a right to be angry. It has a right to be upset. It had something they loved flipped on it's head and given an uncertain future. But the intolerance and nastiness is not forgivable. It's ignorance, the very thing it preaches against.

One more time: Do I think Bethesda is good? No. Fallout 3 was hardly a Fallout game. But I respect people with other opinions. I accept them, consider them, and create an opinion based off both. Arguments are for that. Not just sitting around agreeing that something is "The best without flaw" or "The worst with no redeeming qualities". And the people who came from first playing Fallout 3 I value just as much as long-time fans. They can learn to love the series just as much too, they can create things so we can celebrate all the Fallout series. r/Fallout has different opinions, but they accept them, and everyone can use it as a hub to celebrate Fallout in all forms of media. Doesn't NMA deserve to be a hub like that, being the oldest community? Instead of being ridiculed and avoided by Fallout fans in general? To view the vast community and what they can bring to the table as worthless is ignorance.
 
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The day we start caring what people think of us on 4chan, or reddit, or any other internet troll backwater, is the day we should probably off ourselves collectively like a suicide cult.
 
The day we start caring what people think of us on 4chan, or reddit, or any other internet troll backwater, is the day we should probably off ourselves collectively like a suicide cult.


Believe it or not, there's communities within those places that actually have an immense amount of depth. I never said Reddit as a whole. Just the Fallout communities there. /fog/ is actually a very good general on /vg/ where people talk about Fallout. Point is not what the worst of those communities represent, but the ones that create things. Even the New Vegas Nexus community. And believe it or not, there are people who use Tumblr that aren't giant drama queens but just love Fallout. They have their ups and downs but so does everywhere. To view them all as worthless because of the few bad apples would be a waste. I just type in "Fallout" in the tumblr search engine and I get to see hundreds of little fan creations and insights people say about the series, and I love seeing the things people draw.
 
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Oh no we should totally be concerned about what random people say about us and having opinions about the horse shit Bethesda shovels out. On another note I agree about them sucking up Bethesda's jizz since it's true, you can find them on the Bethesda forums groveling at their feet waiting to lick their boots while blindly defending every game they make like apologists.
 
Oh no we should totally be concerned about what random people say about us and having opinions about the horse shit Bethesda shovels out. On another note I agree about them sucking up Bethesda's jizz since it's true, you can find them on the Bethesda forums groveling at their feet waiting to lick their boots while blindly defending every game they make like apologists.


Beth forumz are where intellect goes to die.
 
When a fanboy from the Bethe$da forums comes here on NMA to defend them he gets a Super Cattle Prod with barbed wire showed up his diddly hole. When someone from NMA goes to the Bethesda forums they... wait a second, nothing happens because we don't go there, they come to us all the time.
 
I have seen people actually stating that the PS3 version of Skyrim has good performance.... They are crazy.

Quite the leap of logic to equate "Fuck Bethesda fanboys" to "Fuck everyone who likes Fallout". That actually seems like it's you the one who is insulting them, many people even outside of NMA have a lot of negative responses to the changes Bethesda has done to Fallout 4. And well considering that so many of the fanboys always come here to shit on the carpet and throw a tantrum because you don't eat up their faulty arguments they all seem to come packaged with rather than us going into their forums to do the same and how it's more common to get a wall of insults from Fo3 fanboys even when you are trying to engage in a constructive conversation I'll say the more tolerant community is us. Tolerance is not liking everything, believe it or not.
 
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Guys, I hate it to be the party pooper, but we really should cut down on the Beth-forum is this and Beth-forum users say that etc. I mean we don't like it either when someone says the NMA-Users said again (insert your stereotype). There is some diversity at the Beth forum just as it is here. I am not always the most reasonable guy, but what we think and say about the company Bethesda should not always also be directly applied to their forum. It has some long time users like our fine jamp Gizmo here after all.

And he is definitely not the only voice of reason there.
 
Despite the huge number of people who fawn over Bethesda Game Studios and have been pulled toward their flawed interpretation of Fallout, there are still plenty of people who appreciate and understand the spirit of the series. So even if BGS is trying to satiate the former group, and Fallout 4 is the shallow sandbox game like Skyrim, there's still the possibility of an Obsidian Fallout game that'll satisfy the latter. At least there would be quest mods, while not officially canon of course, that would prove a great Fallout experience.
 
While I hate Bethesda's games, I see no reason to hate ALL Bethesda game players. I play them, sure I hate them but unless they provoke a person directly we shouldn't just pour hate on EVERYTHING to do with Bethesda.
 
I didn't mean the ones there like us, I'm talking about the ones that say trimming everything down to bare bones is the right way and blah blah blah. I understand what you mean though, just tired of blinding ignorance.
 
I didn't mean the ones there like us, I'm talking about the ones that say trimming everything down to bare bones is the right way and blah blah blah. I understand what you mean though, just tired of blinding ignorance.

That's the whole point. It's NOT blind ignorance. I argue with my friends about Bethesda's games are bad, I give them reasons, legitimate evidence and guess what they reply with? Character assassination. They call me a backward git who should 'evolve' and stop hating on 'great' games which are 'fun'. I don't care if they are fun but when they say they're great? That's why this plea for tolerance is slightly insulting, it reminds me of so many Bethesda fans (aka some of my friends) telling me to 'like' Bethesda's games.
 
Here's the opinion of Josh Sawyer about Fallout 4 in an interview with PC Gamer:


God bless this man. "Choice and consequence" kind of hits the nail on the head of what is missing from Bethesda games; it's not just about story, it's about an interactive meaningful world.
 
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Sawyer is so diplomatic in that interview, altho the dude is always very reserved in his reactions.

Doesn't seem too thrilled about FO4 and mostly praises Bethesdas ability to allow people to make better content.
 
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