Bethesda's Lore Recons

He says one of the first times you talk to him, I think even before he becomes your companion, that the drug had a large dose of radiation in it.
 
Why would you need a "Radiation drug" when in Fallout 4 every single piece of food has radiation? Did he just drink an entire crate of Nuka Cola? Hancock is a cool character but that part of his Backstory is just retarded.
 
Yeah it's dumb. In fact I'm a firm (if technically incorrect) supporter that ghouls need FEV to change their Human body system allowing them to live through the ravages of radiation.
 
Mr Enclave said:
Apparently Potatoes are extinct according to the Brotherhood of Steel, despite them being in Fallout 3 and everything.

Vaults also aren't social experiments anymore it seems. None of the Vaults in F4 are social experiments, just actual ones. Can't say I'm actually too bothered though.

Obviously T60 existing.

Redesignation of APA as X-01, even though it is confirmed to be the Power Armour that the Enclave developed by a loading screen. Considering then it's mass deployment and standardised usage I would wonder why it still has the "X", for experimental, designation despite being in standard issue for 50 years.
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I think Vault 81 is.
 
Apparently, Arthur was like 10 when he took over?[/QUOTE]

No, read this terminal entry

"As the years passed, and Arthur Maxson grew, so did his accomplishments. At age 12, while on a training patrol, he killed two raiders and saved the squad that was supposed to be protecting him, At age 13 he single-handedly killed a Deathclaw (and gained a large facial scar he still has to this day). But it was his victory at age 15 , over the Super Mutant "Shepherd who was attempting to re-organize the capital wastelands Super Mutants, that elevated him to hero-like status. When word of this feat reached the Elders back on the West Coast, they knew the time had come... Maxson was ready. Ready to lead and, more importantly, to reunite the fragmented Brotherhood of Steel forces on the East Coast."
 
Dr Fallout said:
That's... wait what? Wouldn't that just kill you?
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It was experimental IIRC. It wasn't actually made to be used.

Walpknut said:
Why would you need a "Radiation drug" when in Fallout 4 every single piece of food has radiation? Did he just drink an entire crate of Nuka Cola? Hancock is a cool character but that part of his Backstory is just retarded.
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Hancock is a drug user, and wanted to use the drug to get really high.

He didn't do it to become a ghoul, he did it to get high, though he knew he would become a ghoul in the process.
 
When word of this feat reached the Elders back on the West Coast, they knew the time had come... Maxson was ready. Ready to lead and, more importantly, to reunite the fragmented Brotherhood of Steel forces on the East Coast."
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I don't understand this part, why would the West Coast Brotherhood care? Had they not basically distanced themselves from the East Coast Brotherhood when it abandoned the BOS mission that sent them to the East Coast and instead started acting like a militia protecting the locals?

And perhaps I also see something that is not really there, a sort of reverence to the family line of Maxson. While Maxson played an important role in the Brotherhood's founding, setting up their organization's goals and rules, I never really had the idea that the BOS put any specific importance on the bloodline of Maxson.
The family line had produced some very competent Paladins and Elders but they weren't seen as any more important than the other family lines within the BOS.
I get this feeling that Bethesda has made it so that the Maxson bloodline is now considered somewhat close to that of Royalty within the Brotherhood, and I can't say I am happy with that as it borders to much on concepts from fantasy RPGs.
 
I don't know, I think that actually fits with the increasing isolationism of the BOS and their reverence to the Codex.

More retcons:

"Eddie Winters had planned to live forever so he invested into radiation experiment that turned him into a ghoul and he hid in a bunker under a Subway Shop he used to use as a hideout Pre-War. Eddie might've been the first ghoul in existence."

Becoming a Ghoul seems to be pretty easy now. Wasn't itstablished that there were no Ghoul cases until after the bombs dropped?
 
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The Maxsons were skilled yes, but the originals still had multiple elders if my memory serves correct.

Bethesda treating the Maxsons like royalty fits in with their fantasy rpg development roots. Just like how they just had to create T-45D AHEM 'PLATE' armor and flaming swords.
 
Walpknut said:
Yeah and a drug turnning someone into a Ghoul is the retarded part. New Vegas even had a character that was trying to become a Ghoul but failed as those are supposed to be RARE.
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New Vegas also had an entire NCR camp, Searchlight, all transform into ghouls in literally moments after the Legion opened up canisters of nuclear material from before the war that were being stored in the firestation. It was so recent one of the few guys who was stationed there, but was outside the camp when it happened, is still patrolling the area around it warning people off because no one really knows about it yet.

Not only was it mass ghoulification, it was also instant ghoulfication.

The same thing happened in the Divide as well, mass ghoulifcation, as well as near instant ghoulfication.
 
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Do Ghouls need to eat? Found a kid locked up for 200 years as a Ghoul...
 
Someguy37 said:
New Vegas also had an entire NCR camp, Searchlight, all transform into ghouls in literally moments after the Legion opened up canisters of nuclear material from before the war that were being stored in the firestation. It was so recent one of the few guys who was stationed there, but was outside the camp when it happened, is still patrolling the area around it warning people off because no one really knows about it yet.

Not only was it mass ghoulification, it was also instant ghoulfication.

The same thing happened in the Divide as well, mass ghoulifcation, as well as near instant ghoulfication.
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You do have to understand that this was basically Obsidian having to go along with an idea that Bethesda had first introduced in Fallout 3; instant Ghoulification when some people are exposed to severe radiation.
Most likely had Bethesda never introduced this idea Obsidian's writers would also not have done so either.

I know Van Buren is non canon but from its design documents it was clear that Ghouls were pretty rare, Necropolis, Gecko (these are actually Ghoul migrants from Necropolis), and the Reservation.
From what I understand Ghoulificatation is a combination of radiation, other elements, and probably various individuals' particular genetics that allow the process to happen.
More often people simply die from radiation poisoning.

I really hate how many locations are now infested with Feral Ghouls. Personally I really don't see the point of them any more other than a cheap 'zombie' scare.
In fact the more they are used, the less of an impression they make on the player. When I enter an old building or metro station my first thoughts are "Ugh, probably more feral Ghouls I need to shoot".
There not being feral Ghouls is actually more of a surprise as Bethesda's map designers apparently had an obsession with them.

On a side note; just adding a lot of locations to a map does not make it better when all they contain is loads of random junk. I would much rather have had a smaller number of locations that are a lot better developed then all these 'loot caves'.
 
The Dutch Ghost said:
You do have to understand that this was basically Obsidian having to go along with an idea that Bethesda had first introduced in Fallout 3; instant Ghoulification when some people are exposed to severe radiation.
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I am aware, and that really doesn't change anything.

If Obsidian didn't like the idea, they could have very easily ignored it, and left it as the one off case of Moria Brown it was in Fallout 3.

They especially didn't have to make the majority of the enemies in their final, main game and DLC spanning story arc completing, DLC a result of the same thing.
 
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an entire NCR camp, Searchlight, all transform into ghouls in LITERALLY MOMENTS
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It wasn't "literally" instant at all, nowhere does anyone say that the soldiers in searchlight were transformed instantaneously. It could have taken days or even weeks to happen, we don't really know for sure
 
Monco said:
It wasn't "literally" instant at all, nowhere does anyone say that the soldiers in searchlight were transformed instantaneously. It could have taken days or even weeks to happen, we don't really know for sure
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It taking weeks would be impossible, given it hasn't been weeks since the incident occurred.
 
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