Can we honestly say Fallout 4 is better than Fallout 3?

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Sn1p3r187

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After all this time and the reviews blowing by and me being gone and out of the Fallout 4 loop. Can we honestly say Fallout 4 is better than 3 or not better than 3?
 
I honestly don't know where some reviews get off saying Fallout 4 is better than Fallout 3. It is improved only in terms of gun-play. The first person shooting aspects of Fallout 4 are a tremendous improvement on Fallout 3, and everything else - the story, writing, RPG characteristics, characters, dialogue, atmosphere - is worse than Fallout 3.

It's like when they made XCOM: Enemy Unknown and people generally loved it and said that THAT was the XCOM game they had hoped for, and then developers started pushing some cheesy first person shooter XCOM game that had nothing to do with being an XCOM game aside from the setting.
 
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I haven't played FO4 and with high certainty I never will as everything I've seen and heard about it here and elsewhere points to it being far worse than FO3... And fun gunplay doesn't save it. There's plenty of games out there which do that aspect many times better. Somehow I don't see FO4 even cathcing the aesthetics and atmosphere the way FO3 did, its more like just a polished repeat of the same old...

At least FO3 has skill and dialog systems in place, not the lack of skills and four flavors of yes.
 
For me it's like this; FO3 tried to be an RPG and just ends up feeling very 1 note and shallow in that department, whereas FO4 has given up being an RPG all together and functions as an adequate, albeit mediocre, shoot and loot. So i think it's really a case of pick your poison.
 
Irwin John Finster said:
It's like when they made XCOM: Enemy Unknown and people generally loved it and said that THAT was the XCOM game they had hoped for, and then developers started pushing some cheesy first person shooter XCOM game that had nothing to do with being an XCOM game aside from the setting.
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I definitely agree on the point about X-COM! I'm a huge fan of the original two and that franchise has been completely buttraped with ripping it away from its roots... And the re-makes have never really got it back on the level of the originals sadly.What happened to X-COM is a prime example of what Bethesda has been doing to Fallout, I can't think of a better comparison.
 
Fallout 4 looks better, and though people said its map was small it was still a lot bigger than Fallout 3's.
But when it comes to the gameplay or the content of the game it is equal and even lesser than its predecessor. I never felt engaged in this game, I just wandered through a sandbox, killing raiders, mutants/ghouls, robots/synths here and there, it never felt like a place that is alive, I was never excited when I discovered a small town or outpost and be able to talk to people because I could not really ask them what was on my mind (unless I am obsessed about Shaun) or decline anything, and the people had little to nothing to tell.

The people are just as much idiots in Fallout 4 as they were in Fallout 3 even if Bethesda has now given a reason (a weak one) why there are no settlement alliances, and the number of raiders is still larger than all the common people combined.

I can't even fucking roleplay as any kind of character except a concerned mom or dad who is either polite or a sarcastic asshole/bitch who will still take on quests but not necessarily carries them out.

Gunplay is perhaps better but Fallout is now even more a damn murder simulator as my friend Anders put it, there is barely any option to avoid a fight (stealth mechanics are crap) or talk it out. Most beings in this universe only exist to be killed. (yeah yeah, Fallout 3 and New Vegas had the same problem).

Fallout 4 seems more like an attempt at a GTA or Just Cause clone. Power Armor can now fly, and we have access to Vertibirds (though we can not fly them). Just put in some damn drivable vehicles as probably a lot of people are whining about.
 
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Well I think of it like this, would you prefer a big pile of solid dog shit or a big pile of diarrhea horse shit? At the end of the day it's still shit.
 
Fallout 3, for all its problems, still had various interesting ideas, some cool aesthetics and was much more coherent with itself for the most part. Fallout 4 is just... awful, and it hardly brings any new ideas at all, with a lot of rehashes (and the new stuff is mostly bad). Hard to think of anything in Fallout 4 that serves as a real plot, character or world element since almost everything is a gimmick.
 
Irwin John Finster said:
I honestly don't know where some reviews get off saying Fallout 4 is better than Fallout 3. It is improved only in terms of gun-play. The first person shooting aspects of Fallout 4 are a tremendous improvement on Fallout 3, and everything else - the story, writing, RPG characteristics, characters, dialogue, atmosphere - is worse than Fallout 3.

It's like when they made XCOM: Enemy Unknown and people generally loved it and said that THAT was the XCOM game they had hoped for, and then developers started pushing some cheesy first person shooter XCOM game that had nothing to do with being an XCOM game aside from the setting.
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As I remember it was kinda the other way around. They announced the FPS, people got mad, then they delayed it and in the meantime started advertising Enemy Unknown. In the end, EU was a hit, the FPS was a flop because in that case there was justice.
 
Ilosar said:
Irwin John Finster said:
I honestly don't know where some reviews get off saying Fallout 4 is better than Fallout 3. It is improved only in terms of gun-play. The first person shooting aspects of Fallout 4 are a tremendous improvement on Fallout 3, and everything else - the story, writing, RPG characteristics, characters, dialogue, atmosphere - is worse than Fallout 3.

It's like when they made XCOM: Enemy Unknown and people generally loved it and said that THAT was the XCOM game they had hoped for, and then developers started pushing some cheesy first person shooter XCOM game that had nothing to do with being an XCOM game aside from the setting.
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As I remember it was kinda the other way around. They announced the FPS, people got mad, then they delayed it and in the meantime started advertising Enemy Unknown. In the end, EU was a hit, the FPS was a flop because in that case there was justice.
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Rest assured, if it can be turned into an FPS, they will find a way.

I'm still waiting for Angry Birds: Duty Calls as a new FPS title.
 
They added farms this time around, which I appreciated. I would make a joke here about how Bethesda finally realized that food actually needs to come from somewhere, but there were always farms in their TES games, so I really have no idea why they didn't bother including them in F3.
 
Tom Bishop said:
They added farms this time around, which I appreciated. I would make a joke here about how Bethesda finally realized that food actually needs to come from somewhere, but there were always farms in their TES games, so I really have no idea why they didn't bother including them in F3.
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Fallout 4 is disappointing because there is clearly the potential for an amazing game with some of these additions. Settlement crafting, for example - wonderful idea. Who doesn't love more content in a game? More stuff to do is always good.

But it's disappointing because the game is still shallow. If there was a deep role-playing experience IN ADDITION to the improved gun-play, the settlements, and the procedurally generated MMO quests, it would probably beat or at least compete with Witcher 3.
 
Tom Bishop said:
They added farms this time around, which I appreciated. I would make a joke here about how Bethesda finally realized that food actually needs to come from somewhere, but there were always farms in their TES games, so I really have no idea why they didn't bother including them in F3.
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Yeah... remember Oblivion?
 
As a Fallout game I suppose Fallout 3 is better but even then Fallout 3 is quite shitty but when it comes to a game on its own merits simply being enjoyable with what it sets out to do I'd say Fallout 4 blows Fallout 3 out of the water. Fallout 3 at the very least 'tried' to be an RPG but because of its poorly implemented compromises it just isn't a particularly fun game whereas Fallout 4 abandons being an RPG completely but is a really enjoyable loot and shoot hiking sim.
 
Mr Fish said:
As a Fallout game I suppose Fallout 3 is better but even then Fallout 3 is quite shitty but when it comes to a game on its own merits simply being enjoyable with what it sets out to do I'd say Fallout 4 blows Fallout 3 out of the water. Fallout 3 at the very least 'tried' to be an RPG but because of its poorly implemented compromises it just isn't a particularly fun game whereas Fallout 4 abandons being an RPG completely but is a really enjoyable loot and shoot hiking sim.
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I would argue that Fallout 3 did act as an RPG in some areas, with multiple choices and ways through quests. That in itself destroys Fallout 4 as I find fetch quests and kill them all radiant quests even worse.
 
Walpknut said:
Falout 4 is even worse in numerous aspects, only place it's better is the gunplay but nothing else.
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Eh. The crafting system, along with weapon modification, was fine. The settlement building, while clunky and bothersome, is a nice little touch. Thing is, it feels like the kind of thing that should be added on top of a good game and not as part of the game to try and make it better. I dunno, maybe it's just me.

Honestly, I wish they would have just ripped off the good parts of New Vegas. Copying good things isn't look down upon, if it adds to the final product. Fallout 4, however, does not attempt to be unique. It copies all the worst parts of an open world game.

I really think just slapping New Vegas onto the Creation Engine, adding the new crafting, combat and settlement system, patching things up and improving the graphics, and keeping the old skill system, along with using the remaining free time to create a post-ending world for all possibilities following the Battle, then calling the final product an enhanced edition or a remake, would've turned out a better game.
 
ZigzagPX4 said:
Walpknut said:
Falout 4 is even worse in numerous aspects, only place it's better is the gunplay but nothing else.
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Eh. The crafting system, along with weapon modification, was fine. The settlement building, while clunky and bothersome, is a nice little touch. Thing is, it feels like the kind of thing that should be added on top of a good game and not as part of the game to try and make it better. I dunno, maybe it's just me.

Honestly, I wish they would have just ripped off the good parts of New Vegas. Copying good things isn't look down upon, if it adds to the final product. Fallout 4, however, does not attempt to be unique. It copies all the worst parts of an open world game.

I really think just slapping New Vegas onto the Creation Engine, adding the new crafting, combat and settlement system, patching things up and improving the graphics, and keeping the old skill system, along with using the remaining free time to create a post-ending world for all possibilities following the Battle, then calling the final product an enhanced edition or a remake, would've turned out a better game.
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It would get some money from me that's for sure!
 
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