Climate Change is not real!

Crni Vuk said:
I am not sure what that's supposed to mean.

Collapsing eco systems anyone? Stabile environments? If biodiversity drops it will have very long lasting and severe effects on our species as well.
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I'm saying people are not those animals so by and large they don't give a fuck. They aren't the ones dying. Most of the animals dead on this planet died from things other than humans. People care about feeding their kids before they care about a rare bird in a rain forest on the other side of the planet. You expect people to be in a fervor about it and posting long drawn out rants on fan forums, but you won't ever get people on your level because you are the only one that can save the animals. Yes, YOU. You are the only one that can help them, Crni. You are their only hope. Thankfully YOU care so much. I'm glad to see you donating your meager paycheck to saving rare bird species that have minor color variations to other birds species. Or is it just the CARE METER that needs to be filled? Does it need to say a certain combination of words a certain way to prove it likes the rare colorful birds?

We've been telling people to recycle for decades due to plastic in the ocean but it won't change. It won't change because it is not the people that are to fault but these governments that you trust so much to take care of you. They are your only hope you see. New regulation to erase all plastics from the planet. We will switch to new hemp derived containers for everything so our food can spoil in two days. Then we all die from food spoilage and the animals rule the planet. I solved it.
 
Except that this isn't just about some rare birds 5 000 km away. This habitat los and destruction of bio diversity happens on a global scale. For example in Germany the numbers of flying insects has dropped on average by 70%.

Here is the thing with eco systems. They have tipping points. Once they are crossed there is no way back. It's like a lake where you have either to much or not enough oxygen inside and it starts to turn and all the fish inside it dies together with most of the plant live - basically becoming dead lakes. And this will have effects on us. Maybe not in the next few years but in the long run? Most definitively. And we havn't even talked about other potential hazards like the overuse of pesticides and other chemicals, the erosion of soil trough industrial farming, micro plastic and hormones in our food and so on.

Some things, like asbestos for example or DDT take more time before we realize the dangerous effects but it will hit us eventually and then we have to take action even after many decades like where asbestos gives you cancer. But the thing with eco system is that you have to do something before they collapse not once it happend because then it's to late - point of no return.

However to get back to your bird analogy. We only now start to understand actually how interconnected eco systems really are on this planet and what effects a disappearing species actually has on us. Particularly in the long run. They found out that some trees build very complex networks over a whole large forest spanning a huge area and some ant colonies can spread over 3000 miles. Tiny ant colonies. One can not even begin to imagine the incredible complexity that's our whole eco systems.

And we're destroying it at an increasing speed.
 
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.Pixote. said:
We eat Koalas for dinner in Australia, obviously we're not barbarians we cook them first. Poor little fuckers...
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Well you can eat this one since it didn't make it.



A koala which drew wide attention after being rescued from an Australian bushfire has died, after failing to recover from his burns.

The koala, dubbed Lewis, had been taken to an animal hospital last week after a woman plucked him from a tree in burning bushland in New South Wales.

Video of the rescue - which shows Toni Doherty using her shirt to wrap up the koala - was viewed globally.

Vets said the marsupial was put down because his burns were not improving.

"[Our] number one goal is animal welfare, so it was on those grounds that this decision was made," said Port Macquarie Koala Hospital.

Six people have died and more than 500 homes have been lost since a bushfire crisis began ravaging Australia in September.

'It was just so heart-rending'
In the video, Ms Doherty is seen pouring water over the distressed animal in an attempt to cool it.

She told local news outlets she had been driving through the forest when she spotted the koala among the flames and heard its cries.

"I didn't realise they could cry out. It was just so heart-rending and I knew I needed to get him out of there as quickly as possible," Ms Doherty told Nine News.

The 14-year-old koala had significant burns to its chest, feet and other parts of its body, vets said.

The hospital has treated dozens of koalas injured from the bushfires which have burnt through more than a million hectares in New South Wales alone.

The blazes continue to burn and officials warn that the worst of Australia's season is still to come.
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https://www.project-syndicate.org/c...erence-madrid-by-greta-thunberg-et-al-2019-11
That action must be powerful and wide-ranging. After all, the climate crisis is not just about the environment. It is a crisis of human rights, of justice, and of political will. Colonial, racist, and patriarchal systems of oppression have created and fueled it. We need to dismantle them all. Our political leaders can no longer shirk their responsibilities.
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Just in case anyone was still thinking these people would actually accept any solution that does not involve radical societal change and dismantling of whatever "system" they can pull out of their arses.
 
I don't like radicals gathering the masses for the violent revolution under false pretenses. Well, at least they're dropping the pretenses now, but that won't reach their followers.
I want solutions. Positive solutions. They just want change, any change, as long as it tears down whatever is now, they don't care what comes after.
 
Plus they want you to eat bugs. Also they don't shave their armpits which is really hot, but most of them are ugly, so it just confuses my penis.
 
I've eaten very few bugs in my life but I'm not really opposed to trying it as long as it's good. I'm not going to eat bugs because someone told me to but rather as a new food to try.

There are probably bugs that taste way better than turkey. Shitty ass bird. Fuck you.
 
I tried mealworms and crickets and they were pretty good. But the current media push telling everyone to eat bugs makes me suspicious.
 
Hassknecht said:
I want solutions. Positive solutions. They just want change, any change, as long as it tears down whatever is now, they don't care what comes after.
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That's a common criticism with the movement and yes it is true. However do you really think the point of such a movement is to offer solutions? They are for the most part young people. Like really young. Why are we voting in the first place if we have to turn to such movements for solutions? The reason why they are protesting is the inaction of our current politics - which is what they often make very clear. In the early 1990s for example there was a real move with politics and the society to actually address the issue which gave idea to the whole Kyoto protocol and a push to many needed transformations. But somewhere around 2010 most of it was more or less either abandoned or as we see right now even dismantled. The more we destroy the environment the more time is running out to actually make any meaningful change in the required time before we see long lasting severe consequences.

From what I can tell with talking to some of their followers, we have many young people (and not only young people feel that way by the way but for different reason) which are simply frustrated about the current system and general apathy in politics and yes they often do not come with an alternative or solution to it. It's true. But that's not their job anyway since when was it the task of the general public to come up with solutions? They don't make laws they are not in leading positions after all. Why do I never see you criticising the inaction of our current political and economic elite for example when it comes to addressing environmental issues what's your opinion on the so called "Klimapaket"? Do you believe it's the right solution? I do not agree with everything that happens here but it's a protest after all. You seem to be very understanding about protesters who vote the right wing party AfD even if you do not agree with all of their points particularly the more radical ones but at the same time you seem to have nothing but criticism left for environmental movements. I find that simply puzzling. I am not attacking you by the way. Just wondering.


As far as I see it complaining about Fridays for Future and ExtinctionRebellion is at this point simply going for the low hanging fruit and avoiding the actual reason for their protests. I see your point and yes there is valid criticism here - I really think you would like Harald Weizer's comment on it who pretty much says the same thing.

But at the end of the day they are not the cause of the issues here.
 
I'll continue to be strictly against any movement that will do "whatever it takes", as FFF put it, whereby "some may die", as XR put it, to force democratically elected governments to do their bidding, when the same kind of people also block any reasonable solutions.
Call me old-fashioned and scared, but I don't like violent revolutions. I'm a reformer, and I think we can solve these issues without going into a fanatical rage against the current order. Well, they don't. I say "bring it", so let's hope I never get to meet any of them trying to stop me anywhere.
 
ISIS didn't start out as ISIS, either.
They are fanatics set to do whatever necessary for a higher goal. Do we need to wait for them to go full explodey before we distrust them?
As I said, I fully expect XR to start either self-immolation or bombing, depending on wether they lean more into death cult or terrorist cult. Suicide bombing would be a good compromise.
Again: XR fully embrace the possibility of people dieing as part of their mission.

FFF only broke ties with them (somewhat) after Hallam unapologetically downplayed the Holocaust and welcomed everyone including racists into his movement as long as they were fanatic enough about climate change.
Except it's not even about climate change, innit.

It's about rebellion, or revolution, if that is not enough.
But apparently, it doesn't matter how honest they are about their fanaticism. They're not ISIS. Yet.
 
Well if they start chopping heads off then you can of course come to me saying, told you so.

And yes extinction rebellion isn't about the climate they are about ( in my opinion ) needed system change. Something which I have been saying, also in this forum, for years. That addressing climate change for it self isn't going to fix anything.

What ever if their approach is the correct one? I do not know. But unless they brake any laws there is hardly anything one can do really. And if they brake laws, well lock em up. What else do you want here to be done?
 
Yeah, it's fine right now. They're annoying people and will get their heads smashed in by the normal folks, but they're still harmless. But they're also people submitting demands to the government and threatening violence if those demands won't be met. They're being tolerated now because they don't do much besides annoying the common people, but once they radicalize further... We'll see what path they take. They're basically on the path to terrorism, but they're also a movement fundamentally made of softy soyboys, so I think death cult is closer than terrorism. They just don't have the balls to actually do anything but light themselves on fire.
They'll try to block the working class a few more times until they realize that this won't get them anything but broken teeth, and then they'll start burning themselves or something. I can only hope our local XR group tries something while I'm in the area. Gonna be fun.

/edit: To make my point clear: I'm not going to wait for the guys explicitly advocating for violent revolution to actually turn violent before I'll not associate with them. They're already shit. They have no plans but hope that something better arises from the ashes. If that's their plan... Well, I got nails to put in my leather jacket and some hair dye that say "Fuck your utopia, you gonna get raped and pillaged".
 
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I don't think there is any real danger that you'll ever be associated with them. Rest assured Hass!
 
You make it sound like I'm on the wrong side of history when I don't want to be associated with violent revolutionaries.
I mean, if these inept zealots were to win, I might be on the wrong side, but on the other hand, so will everyone else, because let's face it, every single fucking revolution results in things being more shit for the majority. You might not think it possible right now, but you would learn quickly.
 
Right now you fear that it might possibily become a violent revolution at some point.

But hearts to hearts do you really believe those people have what it takes to achieve that? And I am not talking about civil disobedience. I am really talking about RAF-Bullshit here.

Hassknecht said:
You make it sound like I'm on the wrong side of history
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More like making a bit of fun here and mocking you a little bit. Nothing serious!​
 
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