How good are his aiming skills?
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Swastakowey
First time out of the vault
Terrible actually. He can't hit crap through most of the movie. In fact, he does very little from memory.
Movie was average for me. It wasn't boring (with so much action it's hard to turn off) but ti was also shallow, mindless and lame. Rey and Kylo are the worst serious characters in the movies so far. Mary Sue and pathetic villain.
Walpknut
This ghoul has seen it all
But Rey just hits all her marks while aiming with just one hand after stating she doesn't even know how to use a gun. She was hitting headshots too.
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TorontoReign
Guest
She must be related to Leia. Haha.
ZigzagPX4
The Swiftness of the Ranger
Can we note that Rey hasn't been confirmed to have been raised entirely at Jakku as a scavenger? There's no indication that there won't be a more in-depth backstory for her later.
And you guys do remember that Kylo Ren was hit by a bowcaster prior to his fight with Rey, right? A weapon that I remind you, shoots energy bolts that basically explodes? The rush of him killing you-know-who combined with his wound sorts of makes it clear he isn't in his top form. Finn was beating him pretty good too. Kylo Ren is supposed to be inexperienced and impatient, and even here he's wounded and distracted.
It's a bit of an overreaction to consider Rey some feminism-fueled Mary Sue, considering we still know next to nothing about her. There could be an explanation for her entire skillset in Episode VIII.
It's a bit of an overreaction to consider Rey some feminism-fueled Mary Sue, considering we still know next to nothing about her. There could be an explanation for her entire skillset in Episode VIII.
Dr Fallout
Centurion
Apparently there's a theory she might be related to Luke, his daughter perhaps?
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TorontoReign
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I agree entirely. As I said before this is not that different than Anakin or Luke in previous movies.
ZigzagPX4
The Swiftness of the Ranger
My most extravagant prediction was that she would end up having somewhat been:
Trained as Jedi with all the others. She would've been at the Knights of Ren massacre of Luke's new Jedi school somehow. She might've survived, and to keep her safe maybe Luke might have wiped her memories Revan-style and left her on Jakku, though she might've retained some of her skills.
There's plenty of plotholes this theory leaves, but then again I haven't been disappointed with the movie so far, so I'm not expecting the storytelling to fall short of this turns out to be true.
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TorontoReign
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I expect a lot to be explained. Does anyone remember the line Han spoke in Empire Strikes Back?
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/The_Bounty_Hunter_of_Ord_Mantell
Shit like that has always been in Star Wars. They have always liked to fill in supposed plot holes with tie-ins like comics, novels, TV, etc. The same reason they didn't explain why C3PO's arm was red...
http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/entertainthis/2015/12/15/anthony-daniels-c3po-star-wars/77341766/
Which is also supposed to be explained in an upcoming comic I think.
Which won't be the case with Rey because her origin is so much more important than a Bounty Hunter attack that occurred between Empire Strikes Back and A New Hope, and where C3PO got a red arm... They will explain all that shit in the next one. Basically they pulled the old Empire Strikes Back thing right out of the gate - left it on a cliffhanger so people could stew on it for the next 18 months.
http://www.slashfilm.com/star-wars-the-force-awakens-questions/
ZigzagPX4
The Swiftness of the Ranger
If anything, Disney knows how to make money. Sequels make money - and sequel hooks leads into sequels. In short, if we expected this to be a standalone movie with no sequel, then yes, Rey does appear to be overpowered and there are plenty of plot holes. But we know for a fact it will be a trilogy. They really are leaving people to "stew on it". All this talk of "Is Rey a Mary Sue", "Kylo Ren is a bad villain" and "Why is the First Order so vague" is doing exactly what they want - triggering intrigue and excitement over the next episode in the franchise.
On another note, didn't the Original Trilogy leave some plot holes of its own, even by the end of the Return of the Jedi?
Avallach
Ayreonaut
If there's an explanation then I am all for it, as long as it's interesting and not some cheap cop-out.
But since any sort of said explanation is far away in possible comic books/book tie-ins or the next movie, it doesn't make the critcism of her character invalid in any way, shape or form at this point. I am just commenting on what I've seen/what we currently have. The rest is just speculation.
You people think she's the next Luke/Anakin Skywalker-caliber of character, then good for you. I just couldn't bring myself to care about her, seeing how perfect and invulnerable she seemed (reason I hate Steven Seagal movies, for example).
Speaking of which, I kinda liked Poe Dameron as a character. Even Finn was pretty good and his chemistry with Poe was awesome. Also, his duel with the Riot Stormtrooper was infinitely more interesting than the entire final fight.
But since any sort of said explanation is far away in possible comic books/book tie-ins or the next movie, it doesn't make the critcism of her character invalid in any way, shape or form at this point. I am just commenting on what I've seen/what we currently have. The rest is just speculation.
You people think she's the next Luke/Anakin Skywalker-caliber of character, then good for you. I just couldn't bring myself to care about her, seeing how perfect and invulnerable she seemed (reason I hate Steven Seagal movies, for example).
Speaking of which, I kinda liked Poe Dameron as a character. Even Finn was pretty good and his chemistry with Poe was awesome. Also, his duel with the Riot Stormtrooper was infinitely more interesting than the entire final fight.
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TorontoReign
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If there's an explanation then I am all for it, as long as it's interesting and not some cheap cop-out.
But since any sort of said explanation is far away in possible comic books/book tie-ins or the next movie, it doesn't make the critcism of her character invalid in any way, shape or form at this point. I am just commenting on what I've seen/what we currently have. The rest is just speculation.
You people think she's the next Luke/Anakin Skywalker-caliber of character, then good for you. I just couldn't bring myself to care about her, seeing how perfect and invulnerable she seemed (reason I hate Steven Seagal movies, for example).
Speaking of which, I kinda liked Poe Dameron as a character. Even Finn was pretty good and his chemistry with Poe was awesome. Also, his duel with the Riot Stormtrooper was infinitely more interesting than the entire final fight.
Hmmm. I respect your opinion. I thought she was charming. I loved the scene where she cooked some food and sat there with the rebel pilot helmet. Also the scene where the wise woman (Mentor archetype) told her that no one would ever come for her in Jakku. Her character (and acting) surprised me a bit. She was a pretty quick learner there is no doubting that. Hell Luke piloted a X-Wing and defeated the Death Star in his first movie. They didn't quite go that far. She injured a Sith-in-training who was already weakened from getting shot by one of those high powered crossbolts. She flew the Millennium Falcon and did some impressive maneuvers, also showing off her mechanic skills (scavenging) along the way.
Her using Force powers out of her skill range is the main complaint I see leveled at her character, which is a more than fair assessment. I got the impression almost that she was related to one of the original cast in some way. Stronger so now that I have came out of spoiler lockdown and read up a bit on some theories and brushed up on my lore.
I won't try to claim that the faults leveled at the movie are invalid, I just think they aren't as bad as some make it out to be, and some things are being left in the air on purpose as opposed to incompetence. Coming straight out of a Star Wars binge helped me to see so many comparisons from her story and Anakin and Luke's that I automatically assumed that they were going for something like that.
I thought the final fight was a little on the short side, but coming right out of the
death scene
Walpknut
This ghoul has seen it all
Finn was beating him pretty good? What? Kylo Ren evaded all of his attacks and even tortured him with the laser guard, the only hit Finn gets in is a lucky hit and right after that Kylo Ren just slashes him across the spine.
Dr Fallout
Centurion
Well he was standing his ground decently. Against Darth Vader and... yeah slaughter.
Swastakowey
First time out of the vault
People who like Rey have to do mental gymnastics to defend her crappy character.
Just admit you like action movies where the main character is a kick ass everything like Arnold Swatznager and so on. Because that's what this is. Rey is in no danger, at this rate she doesn't need to learn since she can't fail.
You compare her to Luke, well...
Lets look at Starwars where Luke: Makes a mistake and lets R2 escape, Gets beaten by sand people and saved by Kenobi, about to be brutalized gets saved by kenobi, with the combined help of all the characters (including the Empire) escapes the Death Star, With the help of the characters defends the Millennium Falcon and then at the end gets saved by Han Solo and does his famed action of blowing up the death star with the help of Obi Wan and the Force.
Lets look at The Force Awakens: Rey fails to shoot Ren. That is the sum of her failures in this film and even that leads to her turning into a god. The only thing she needs in this movie is Finn as a gunner for a little bit and then for Finn to bring her a Ship and a light saber to complete her escape of the Biggerer Baderer Death Star.
Yea sure, Luke and Rey are the same if you ignore the whole movie!
Just admit you like action movies where the main character is a kick ass everything like Arnold Swatznager and so on. Because that's what this is. Rey is in no danger, at this rate she doesn't need to learn since she can't fail.
You compare her to Luke, well...
Lets look at Starwars where Luke: Makes a mistake and lets R2 escape, Gets beaten by sand people and saved by Kenobi, about to be brutalized gets saved by kenobi, with the combined help of all the characters (including the Empire) escapes the Death Star, With the help of the characters defends the Millennium Falcon and then at the end gets saved by Han Solo and does his famed action of blowing up the death star with the help of Obi Wan and the Force.
Lets look at The Force Awakens: Rey fails to shoot Ren. That is the sum of her failures in this film and even that leads to her turning into a god. The only thing she needs in this movie is Finn as a gunner for a little bit and then for Finn to bring her a Ship and a light saber to complete her escape of the Biggerer Baderer Death Star.
Yea sure, Luke and Rey are the same if you ignore the whole movie!
Dr Fallout
Centurion
Also unlike Luke she has limited to almost NO partaking in the destruction of Death Star III.
Walpknut
This ghoul has seen it all
I just don't get what movie the people claiming Finn held himself against Kylo Ren even watched. He got trashed. Coincidentaly Kylo Ren doesn't pull absolutely any of the crueler moves he pulled on FInn agains Rey. Against her he just lamely swings his sword against her without even being overly agressive, then he offers her to join him (because of course he does, everybody offers Rey to join them, because she just knows everything about everything and is good at every thing she picks up... *cof*). Hell, at one point he even has Rey agains a cliff, she just closes her eyes to activate her Mary Sue powers and he just stands there doing nothing, just staring at her.... Maybe he was just excited because it was the first time a girl was that physically close to him and he could even see some elbow skin!.
Let's not forget that Rey was fighting him on an artic envirorment, while just wearing what looks like summer clothes, with everything and exposed skin with no adverse effects. I went out into the snow without a hat or a scarf on Poland once and I had to spend the next 3 days in bed.... And I don't even live in the desert, I live in a pretty chilly city.
Let's not forget that Rey was fighting him on an artic envirorment, while just wearing what looks like summer clothes, with everything and exposed skin with no adverse effects. I went out into the snow without a hat or a scarf on Poland once and I had to spend the next 3 days in bed.... And I don't even live in the desert, I live in a pretty chilly city.
You can say about Luke what ever you want, but he had quite a major arch over the 3 movies, from the time he left his farm to the point where he battles Vader on the second Death Star.
I mean that is in my opinion one of the real strength of the movie. Luke doesn't feel like a bad-ass right from the begining. Infact, Han even mocks him a couple of times on that - remember, how often he said that he saved his ass? Or how surprised he acted when they told him that Luke was in charge with his rescue?
There was a REAL progress going on here. And it shows. Same with most of the other characters, just in different directions. Han was always a good pilot and shooter - I guess. His arch was a moral one. And it works just as well. Because it is not out of character for a smuggler with years of experience and his reputation to eventually be Anne Oakley with a blaster.
And since people complain about Luke and his training. Well, I always assumed that he is a quick learner, but that it still took him time to master the techniques. There has been some time between A new Hope and the Empire Strikes Back. Who knows what Luke has done in the mean time? Or between the Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi. I doubt that he was just sitting on his ass the whole time. It's
I have yet to see the Force awakens though. But people say it's better than the Prequels. That's enough for me to enjoy it. But seriously, go and watch the old movies again. Luke, does not start as a bad ass, and he doesn't seriously kick butts before Return of the Jedy.
I mean that is in my opinion one of the real strength of the movie. Luke doesn't feel like a bad-ass right from the begining. Infact, Han even mocks him a couple of times on that - remember, how often he said that he saved his ass? Or how surprised he acted when they told him that Luke was in charge with his rescue?
There was a REAL progress going on here. And it shows. Same with most of the other characters, just in different directions. Han was always a good pilot and shooter - I guess. His arch was a moral one. And it works just as well. Because it is not out of character for a smuggler with years of experience and his reputation to eventually be Anne Oakley with a blaster.
And since people complain about Luke and his training. Well, I always assumed that he is a quick learner, but that it still took him time to master the techniques. There has been some time between A new Hope and the Empire Strikes Back. Who knows what Luke has done in the mean time? Or between the Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi. I doubt that he was just sitting on his ass the whole time. It's
I have yet to see the Force awakens though. But people say it's better than the Prequels. That's enough for me to enjoy it. But seriously, go and watch the old movies again. Luke, does not start as a bad ass, and he doesn't seriously kick butts before Return of the Jedy.
Walpknut
This ghoul has seen it all
Difference between a strong character and a powerful character:
Furiosa from Mad Max Fury Road is a strong character.
Rey from the Force Awakens is only a powerful character.
Furiosa had limits, had failures and an arc.
Rey only has achievements and everybody loves her.
Furiosa from Mad Max Fury Road is a strong character.
Rey from the Force Awakens is only a powerful character.
Furiosa had limits, had failures and an arc.
Rey only has achievements and everybody loves her.
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TorontoReign
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I don't know if you are talking about me but I wasn't complaining about his training, merely implying that he learned some Force abilities without being taught. Which is fine.
Well she did get captured. I thought that was kinda a damsel in distress moment until she broke out and turned the Leia trope on it's head.